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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2023 7:46:32 GMT
I'm not really seeing that, reads more like a farewell to this year's team than a farewell to Nottingham. We'll see I guess, but I'll be very surprised if he's not still here next year. Did you see Alex Dubeau’s goodbye tweet,it was a real classic. Said very nice things about everybody and mentioned lots of people by name....except Neilson ! Lol 🤣
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Post by jd on Apr 19, 2023 8:24:37 GMT
I'm not really seeing that, reads more like a farewell to this year's team than a farewell to Nottingham. We'll see I guess, but I'll be very surprised if he's not still here next year. Did you see Alex Dubeau’s goodbye tweet,it was a real classic. Said very nice things about everybody and mentioned lots of people by name....except Neilson ! Lol 🤣 Probably cos CN worked out he was a terrible netminder quite quickly. Should never have signed him - another GG signing
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 8:40:10 GMT
Neilson wanted him gone shortly after he arrived ..
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Post by jd on Apr 19, 2023 8:47:18 GMT
Neilson wanted him gone shortly after he arrived .. Not surprised - he wasn’t good at all. Positioning was awful, he only made some “amazing” saves as he was 25ft out of his crease. GG’s recruitment was poor
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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2023 8:47:19 GMT
Did you see Alex Dubeau’s goodbye tweet,it was a real classic. Said very nice things about everybody and mentioned lots of people by name....except Neilson ! Lol 🤣 Probably cos CN worked out he was a terrible netminder quite quickly. Should never have signed him - another GG signing Yes indeed,the same Dubeau who uncannily had almost identical stats to Jones,a goalie who for some rather unfathomable reason half the fan base seem to want back next year ! 🙄🤔
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Post by jd on Apr 19, 2023 8:49:43 GMT
Cos some fans have seen him play, realise he’s better than Dubeau and think he has potential. The D was awful, the few games I saw Jones he kept us in the game and made good saves.
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 19, 2023 12:14:30 GMT
Jones isn’t bad but there are better netminders out there.
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Post by bobness on Apr 19, 2023 12:34:00 GMT
Probably cos CN worked out he was a terrible netminder quite quickly. Should never have signed him - another GG signing Yes indeed,the same Dubeau who uncannily had almost identical stats to Jones,a goalie who for some rather unfathomable reason half the fan base seem to want back next year ! 🙄🤔 Anyone who's seen them both in the flesh will tell you Jones was the "better" goalie this season.
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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2023 12:41:36 GMT
Yes indeed,the same Dubeau who uncannily had almost identical stats to Jones,a goalie who for some rather unfathomable reason half the fan base seem to want back next year ! 🙄🤔 Anyone who's seen them both in the flesh will tell you Jones was the "better" goalie this season. I wouldn’t disagree with that Bob. I’m surprised as a stat man though that you haven’t shown their respective stats as comparison to back up your point,especially as Jones had an apparent better team and a “supposedly” better coach to help his stats along.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 19, 2023 16:56:50 GMT
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Apr 19, 2023 17:00:36 GMT
Anyone who's seen them both in the flesh will tell you Jones was the "better" goalie this season. I wouldn’t disagree with that Bob. I’m surprised as a stat man though that you haven’t shown their respective stats as comparison to back up your point,especially as Jones had an apparent better team and a “supposedly” better coach to help his stats along. When Dubeau was good he was very good, but when he wasn't on his game he conceded goals in bunches. Corey probably figured we needed more consistency in goal and Jones become available at the right time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 17:14:51 GMT
Don't want any teams cast offs thanks... Unless Giants are having a quick fire sale that is....
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 19, 2023 17:30:53 GMT
Jones isn’t bad but there are better netminders out there. Far better
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Post by Joe on Apr 19, 2023 19:45:24 GMT
Jones isn’t bad but there are better netminders out there. Far better Are they coming to this league though because based on the last couple of seasons the answer would be no. Whether people like it or not Jones is the quality of goalie that is currently becoming standard for those in the hunt for the league title
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Post by blackandgold73 on Apr 19, 2023 19:57:59 GMT
Not inaccurate this year but still...ouch: "I expected to win some trophies this year but if you lose to teams you should not lose to, like Fife (Flyers) and Manchester (Storm,) you don't win trophies "It is sort of OK to lose to teams like Belfast (Giants) Cardiff (Devils) and Guildford (Flames) - they are very good teams, like us." When you're not even ok to lose to you know you're in a rebuild for sure
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 19, 2023 21:01:14 GMT
Are they coming to this league though because based on the last couple of seasons the answer would be no. Whether people like it or not Jones is the quality of goalie that is currently becoming standard for those in the hunt for the league title Beskorowany is already here and Belfast dumped Jones to sign him. Jones is definitely no Beskorowany
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Post by Joe on Apr 19, 2023 21:25:42 GMT
Are they coming to this league though because based on the last couple of seasons the answer would be no. Whether people like it or not Jones is the quality of goalie that is currently becoming standard for those in the hunt for the league title Beskorowany is already here and Belfast dumped Jones to sign him. Jones is definitely no Beskorowany Beskorowany is an outlier and I’d imagine Belfast will seriously struggle to bring in someone on his level when he decides to leave, as evidenced by the fact that they cut Jones to bring him back.
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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2023 21:38:41 GMT
Beskorowany is already here and Belfast dumped Jones to sign him. Jones is definitely no Beskorowany Beskorowany is an outlier and I’d imagine Belfast will seriously struggle to bring in someone on his level when he decides to leave, as evidenced by the fact that they cut Jones to bring him back. There were 18 import goalies in the EIHL this year plus Bowns and Whistle as main Brits and only 6 of those had worse stats than Jones. Two of those 6 who had worse stats than Jones were Dubeau and Berry. I think that says it all really !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 19, 2023 21:40:17 GMT
Beskorowany is already here and Belfast dumped Jones to sign him. Jones is definitely no Beskorowany Beskorowany is an outlier and I’d imagine Belfast will seriously struggle to bring in someone on his level when he decides to leave, as evidenced by the fact that they cut Jones to bring him back. Yes Panthers usually settle for second best but they will still have to upgrade on Jones to do that
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 19, 2023 21:57:06 GMT
Are they coming to this league though because based on the last couple of seasons the answer would be no. Whether people like it or not Jones is the quality of goalie that is currently becoming standard for those in the hunt for the league title there were multiple better goalies than him in the league this year.
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Post by Joe on Apr 19, 2023 22:13:19 GMT
Beskorowany is an outlier and I’d imagine Belfast will seriously struggle to bring in someone on his level when he decides to leave, as evidenced by the fact that they cut Jones to bring him back. There were 18 import goalies in the EIHL this year plus Bowns and Whistle as main Brits and only 6 of those had worse stats than Jones. Two of those 6 who had worse stats than Jones were Dubeau and Berry. I think that says it all really ! It’s easy to use stats to try and evaluate a player but they give absolutely zero context as to what happens on the ice, for example Caruso’s giveaway on Giant’s 4th goal in the semi final will go down as a goal against Jones but no one can blame him for it
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Post by Joe on Apr 19, 2023 22:17:55 GMT
Are they coming to this league though because based on the last couple of seasons the answer would be no. Whether people like it or not Jones is the quality of goalie that is currently becoming standard for those in the hunt for the league title there were multiple better goalies than him in the league this year. Yes there were better goalies but bar Beskorowany I think the difference between the rest of the starting goalies is fairly marginal
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 19, 2023 22:42:36 GMT
there were multiple better goalies than him in the league this year. Yes there were better goalies but bar Beskorowany I think the difference between the rest of the starting goalies is fairly marginal that’s true although if we want to be competitive with the Giants, Steelers and Devils I think we need to try and find the best possible players we can, especially being that Goalie is a major role. Like I said earlier I don’t think Jones is bad but I feel there are better goalies that would be available.
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Post by iginla on Apr 19, 2023 22:45:15 GMT
there were multiple better goalies than him in the league this year. Yes there were better goalies but bar Beskorowany I think the difference between the rest of the starting goalies is fairly marginal The only imports with worse stats than Jones were.... Dubeau,Berry,Svensson,Lavigne,Taylor and Marotte. The only ones of those six who actually finished the season were Svensson at Dundee who even got benched for Preece (a Brit) for a while and Taylor and that was only because Muse at Clan got injured. The others all got either sidelined or gassed at some point.
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 19, 2023 22:48:10 GMT
I know we need to rebuild and it can take time but if we want to win and be competitive why should we stick with a goalie that wasn’t good enough for the Giants. I think Jones could do a job with better defence in front of him but I don’t see a reason we shouldn’t be trying to upgrade.
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