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Post by Bagheera on Jan 8, 2023 11:25:18 GMT
This game will mark 15 league games for Corey. This will be a perfect example of why stats almost always need context. Clearly Corey had nothing to do with putting together this poorly built team and it's also fair to say he'd need a period of adjustment but statistically we havn't really got any better.
I know it would have been better to do this comparison after tonights game, but I had tine to sit and look this morning.
GG(15 games) - 6 wins(4reg) - 1 OTL - 8 losses = 13 points
36 goals for, 55 against
CN(14 games) - 6 wins(5reg) - 1 OTL - 1 SOL - 6 losses = 14 points
42 goals for, 50 against
Both have played 6 games v top 4 sides +2 v Coventry after tonight.
I know Panthers can do typical Panthers and win away today but its a fair expectation that they'll lose.
So those records are very close and we havn't really improved much at all.
*statos, I scribbled these numbers down this morning so feel free to correct any errors.
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 12:23:00 GMT
This game will mark 15 league games for Corey. This will be a perfect example of why stats almost always need context. Clearly Corey had nothing to do with putting together this poorly built team and it's also fair to say he'd need a period of adjustment but statistically we havn't really got any better. I know it would have been better to do this comparison after tonights game, but I had tine to sit and look this morning. GG(15 games) - 6 wins(4reg) - 1 OTL - 8 losses = 13 points 36 goals for, 55 against CN(14 games) - 6 wins(5reg) - 1 OTL - 1 SOL - 6 losses = 14 points 42 goals for, 50 against Both have played 6 games v top 4 sides +2 v Coventry after tonight. I know Panthers can do typical Panthers and win away today but its a fair expectation that they'll lose. So those records are very close and we havn't really improved much at all. *statos, I scribbled these numbers down this morning so feel free to correct any errors. Good stats Baggy. Not surprising really,the only unbelievable thing is that the original starting roster is still virtually unchanged. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 13:08:11 GMT
This game will mark 15 league games for Corey. I'd noticed the similarity of their records earlier this week, but hadn't looked into the opposition breakdown. Interesting stattage Baggy. A minor improvement (a point or three more, fewer goals against, more for), but not the marked uptick I assume Pach was hoping for. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 13:35:42 GMT
This game will mark 15 league games for Corey. I'd noticed the similarity of their records earlier this week, but hadn't looked into the opposition breakdown. Interesting stattage Baggy. A minor improvement (a point or three more, fewer goals against, more for), but not the marked uptick I assume Pach was hoping for. Close indeed. Be interesting to see which of the two coaches had the worst of the injuries to contend with too ? I would guess GG had the worst of it as particularly Caruso and some others missed quite a few games under him and they seem to have had a full quota of 20 most of the time under Corey. |
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Post by Mark on Jan 8, 2023 14:28:41 GMT
The old saying, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear seems apt.
Even if the team was more balanced there's still a lack of quality and the lack of interest in making changes speaks volumes about the club's willingness to spend money to improve the team.
A change of coach was never going to change much and I suspect the choice of Neilson was a sop to the more guillable fans.
The Panthers have changed much but the core of the club, the players are cheap and neglected. Neilson cannot change the rotten ownership.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 8, 2023 15:04:41 GMT
The old saying, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear seems apt. Even if the team was more balanced there's still a lack of quality and the lack of interest in making changes speaks volumes about the club's willingness to spend money to improve the team. A change of coach was never going to change much and I suspect the choice of Neilson was a sop to the more guillable fans. The Panthers have changed much but the core of the club, the players are cheap and neglected. Neilson cannot change the rotten ownership. Neglected I believe is the most important word in all that. I dont believe the team is cheap all over the ice. As I said when the roster was completed, it's those last 3 or 4 signings again. We all look at what we have and know what we need. We think we have 2nd to 4th line complete and need a top line but we finish with fillers. We think we need a top stud Dman, we get Lagrone. I do believe this team is inbalanced and 4 or 5 changes, taking out the worst imports and replacing them with top end guys and itd compete. Dont get the quality in the right areas and everybody suffers and looks poor. The biggest question has to be though. Why do apparent good players, players with career good stats end up looking poor? There are players on this roster and rosters before who absoloutly are good players but it doesnt work for them here and we see a poor version of them. That's the neglect part. It's happened all to often that these good players go bad here more than anywhere else. Something goes on to disengage the players. Likely all the periferals that come with playing overseas. Housing, Cars, Bills and all that other stuff. The reason Panters fail is the way the players are treated off the ice. It has to be. And that all comes back to the main point. Black doesn't want to spend. Everything on the cheap to maximise profits. Yes Omar, bring in Corey and Rick, but they cost money so if you do it you dont get any more for players. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 16:03:57 GMT
The old saying, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear seems apt. Even if the team was more balanced there's still a lack of quality and the lack of interest in making changes speaks volumes about the club's willingness to spend money to improve the team. A change of coach was never going to change much and I suspect the choice of Neilson was a sop to the more guillable fans. The Panthers have changed much but the core of the club, the players are cheap and neglected. Neilson cannot change the rotten ownership. Neglected I believe is the most important word in all that. I dont believe the team is cheap all over the ice. As I said when the roster was completed, it's those last 3 or 4 signings again. We all look at what we have and know what we need. We think we have 2nd to 4th line complete and need a top line but we finish with fillers. We think we need a top stud Dman, we get Lagrone. I do believe this team is inbalanced and 4 or 5 changes, taking out the worst imports and replacing them with top end guys and itd compete. Dont get the quality in the right areas and everybody suffers and looks poor. The biggest question has to be though. Why do apparent good players, players with career good stats end up looking poor? There are players on this roster and rosters before who absoloutly are good players but it doesnt work for them here and we see a poor version of them. That's the neglect part. It's happened all to often that these good players go bad here more than anywhere else. Something goes on to disengage the players. Likely all the periferals that come with playing overseas. Housing, Cars, Bills and all that other stuff. The reason Panters fail is the way the players are treated off the ice. It has to be. And that all comes back to the main point. Black doesn't want to spend. Everything on the cheap to maximise profits. Yes Omar, bring in Corey and Rick, but they cost money so if you do it you dont get any more for players. Exactly this top post |
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Post by iginla on Jan 8, 2023 16:42:41 GMT
The old saying, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear seems apt. Even if the team was more balanced there's still a lack of quality and the lack of interest in making changes speaks volumes about the club's willingness to spend money to improve the team. A change of coach was never going to change much and I suspect the choice of Neilson was a sop to the more guillable fans. The Panthers have changed much but the core of the club, the players are cheap and neglected. Neilson cannot change the rotten ownership. Neglected I believe is the most important word in all that. I dont believe the team is cheap all over the ice. As I said when the roster was completed, it's those last 3 or 4 signings again. We all look at what we have and know what we need. We think we have 2nd to 4th line complete and need a top line but we finish with fillers. We think we need a top stud Dman, we get Lagrone. I do believe this team is inbalanced and 4 or 5 changes, taking out the worst imports and replacing them with top end guys and itd compete. Dont get the quality in the right areas and everybody suffers and looks poor. The biggest question has to be though. Why do apparent good players, players with career good stats end up looking poor? There are players on this roster and rosters before who absoloutly are good players but it doesnt work for them here and we see a poor version of them. That's the neglect part. It's happened all to often that these good players go bad here more than anywhere else. Something goes on to disengage the players. Likely all the periferals that come with playing overseas. Housing, Cars, Bills and all that other stuff. The reason Panters fail is the way the players are treated off the ice. It has to be. And that all comes back to the main point. Black doesn't want to spend. Everything on the cheap to maximise profits. Yes Omar, bring in Corey and Rick, but they cost money so if you do it you dont get any more for players. You’re spot on. Spend as much as you like on non important off ice staff, unnecessary peripherals,media stuff and fancy dan scoreboards etc but if you don’t spend money wisely where it counts on the roster then you ain’t going to be successful on the ice. |
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Post by spik on Jan 8, 2023 16:54:53 GMT
I can only think that 'at least' the outside chance of some improvement was bet upon.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 18:38:02 GMT
0-0 after 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 19:15:56 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 19:35:46 GMT
No not today.
2-1 down after 2, Myers for us.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 19:46:13 GMT
Appears Moore missing again tonight, healthy scratch?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 19:55:47 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 20:02:04 GMT
4-2 now, Welychka for us
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 20:16:50 GMT
Panthers kill a couple of minors, then concede. But Welychka gets one immediately. 5-3.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 20:18:34 GMT
5-4, Sorenson
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 8, 2023 20:20:16 GMT
Appears Moore missing again tonight, healthy scratch? Looks that way. With Puffer being back we have a full quota of imports available. Berry backed up last night. We had the full 20 players so somebody had to miss out. Moore and Berry out, Puffer and Bloor in. As discussed a while back, i'd keep Hazeldine in over Moore. Perhaps Corey sees it the same. Perhaps he is just easing him in with one game. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 20:26:04 GMT
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Post by wgray on Jan 8, 2023 20:41:10 GMT
Welychka continues to lead the way for us. Speed and ability in abundance. One thing to thank GG for
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Post by Jonno on Jan 8, 2023 21:05:40 GMT
Am I missing something…how have we played 14 imports tonight and last night? Surely we should have played one short last night due to the Puffer suspension?
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 8, 2023 21:12:27 GMT
Am I missing something…how have we played 14 imports tonight and last night? Surely we should have played one short last night due to the Puffer suspension? Changed a few seasons back. Suspensions on imports now just take the player out but dont effect the team itself, unless you dont carry spares of course. |
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Post by Jonno on Jan 8, 2023 21:21:45 GMT
Am I missing something…how have we played 14 imports tonight and last night? Surely we should have played one short last night due to the Puffer suspension? Changed a few seasons back. Suspensions on imports now just take the player out but dont effect the team itself, unless you dont carry spares of course. Must have missed this 🤣 |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 8, 2023 23:23:29 GMT
Welychka continues to lead the way for us. Speed and ability in abundance. One thing to thank GG for Was it Welychka who was signed when that other chap got a better offer? GG(15 games) - 6 wins(4reg) - 1 OTL - 8 losses = 13 points 36 goals for, 55 against CN(14 games) - 6 wins(5reg) - 1 OTL - 1 SOL - 6 losses = 14 points 42 goals for, 50 against I think the goals might actually be closer than you've got here, GG scoring a few more. After tonight (league only): GG = 6-8-1: 13pts, GF43 GA55 CN = 6-7-2: 14pts, GF44 GA53 (This counts a SO winner as a single goal btw. Well prepared to be corrected on any of this  ) As you say, a similar mix of teams played. A very slight improvement overall. It's also interesting to hear CN talk about things like taking better care of the puck, and making better decisions. All from the weekly GG script. Might've had a mutiny had he stayed, but it's not changed a lot. |
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