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Post by Discoray on Jun 4, 2022 9:25:06 GMT
Pacha isn't going to turn everything round about the club in a few weeks, there is a lot stagnant or entrenched about how the club is run and the processes around it. Takes time to stop the rot and shift organisation momentum in another direction. IMO he needs at least 2 full seasons to truly determine if what he is doing is working.
Throwing money at Brits isn't the answer either, even if the club could technically afford it. You overpay now, you overpay for years to come. Makes more sense that the club (and by extension the players) are treated better in a more modernised and professional way. Likes of Belfast, Guildford, Dundee and Cardiff have exceptionally good reputations in regards to how well they treat players. Let Pacha bed some of that in for a while, players talk to one another. If what he is doing works, players will start knocking on his door instead to sign up, and you won't need to overpay for them.
Lots of people on here and elsewhere have been crying out for big changes, some are made, more are coming. Now for Panthers fans is the really hard part of it, waiting a couple of years to see if it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 9:33:30 GMT
Pacha isn't going to turn everything round about the club in a few weeks, there is a lot stagnant or entrenched about how the club is run and the processes around it. Takes time to stop the rot and shift organisation momentum in another direction. IMO he needs at least 2 full seasons to truly determine if what he is doing is working. Throwing money at Brits isn't the answer either, even if the club could technically afford it. You overpay now, you overpay for years to come. Makes more sense that the club (and by extension the players) are treated better in a more modernised and professional way. Likes of Belfast, Guildford, Dundee and Cardiff have exceptionally good reputations in regards to how well they treat players. Let Pacha bed some of that in for a while, players talk to one another. If what he is doing works, players will start knocking on his door instead to sign up, and you won't need to overpay for them. Lots of people on here and elsewhere have been crying out for big changes, some are made, more are coming. Now for Panthers fans is the really hard part of it, waiting a couple of years to see if it works. Sounds straightforward... |
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Post by EMB on Jun 4, 2022 9:38:05 GMT
Makes more sense that the club (and by extension the players) are treated better in a more modernised and professional way. Likes of Belfast, Guildford, Dundee and Cardiff have exceptionally good reputations in regards to how well they treat players. Let Pacha bed some of that in for a while, players talk to one another. hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 4, 2022 9:47:07 GMT
Strange when we had farmer , Clarke, weaver .. the imports weren't too shabby were they.. that argument is blown out of the water too! So money was the only reason David Clarke stayed in Nottingham? Clarke was one of the highest paid Brits in the league back then so it didn't hurt |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 4, 2022 9:48:50 GMT
Makes more sense that the club (and by extension the players) are treated better in a more modernised and professional way. Likes of Belfast, Guildford, Dundee and Cardiff have exceptionally good reputations in regards to how well they treat players. Let Pacha bed some of that in for a while, players talk to one another. hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. Accommodation has been a problem for a long time |
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 4, 2022 9:57:17 GMT
Makes more sense that the club (and by extension the players) are treated better in a more modernised and professional way. Likes of Belfast, Guildford, Dundee and Cardiff have exceptionally good reputations in regards to how well they treat players. Let Pacha bed some of that in for a while, players talk to one another. hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? |
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Post by messier1851 on Jun 4, 2022 10:25:39 GMT
hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? I know we are world's away from Premier League football, but why is a player having to go on social media to sort something like that rather than simply picking up the phone to a player liaison officer who sorts that kind of thing out? Aside from the fact it makes you feel looked after, it just looks so Mickey Mouse on the club. I've been saying this a lot about Forest in a recent weeks/months but it applies across the board, a club is made up of a number of small things, the more of these things you get right, the more successful you'll be. It starts from the top and filters down from there. You recruit correctly, both on and off the ice, you look at more than just a player's numbers, what else can they add? I hate to hark back to the reaction when Sheffield signed Latal and I don't mean to do it to put the boot in, but he's the best example I can think of in terms of a player who totally outperformed his previous statistics. Unfortunately we signed players from a higher league but a grinder in the Finnish league will still be a grinder in the EIHL. What are they like off the ice? There was a good article a few years back on the Belfast Giants about knowing what the city means and being able to contribute off the ice as well as on it and not just to the local night-time economy. If you've built a team properly, the fans will warm to them. Yes, we're demanding. We've been short of success but that doesn't mean that can't change, look at Forest. We want a team that works hard, that will fight for one another and that will entertain us. We want players we can root for, like these youngsters. It's great seeing a Sam Herr come in and light up the league for a season, but it's great as well to see someone who is back year after year, who is part of the fabric of the club. There are only a finite amount of top British players, if you can't sign them, you have to develop them. It's not as easy as chucking cash at players, these guys have families, future careers and all sorts of other things to consider. Let's hope these three can develop and become important part of a winning team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 10:26:01 GMT
hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? And who's responsible for this then? And why is he still being employed? Or does it boil down to Blacky telling them (players) to make do with what they are given! |
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Post by iginla on Jun 4, 2022 10:38:10 GMT
hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. Accommodation has been a problem for a long time Yes because they’ve burned bridges,created a bad reputation and left themselves with few options. I know first hand how they treat landlords and it wasn’t good ! |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 4, 2022 10:41:26 GMT
hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? was the start of the problem right there. |
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Post by KC93 on Jun 4, 2022 10:42:16 GMT
If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. Strange when we had farmer , Clarke, weaver .. the imports weren't too shabby were they.. that argument is blown out of the water too! Yes they would have been on a good wage but what you’re saying is that you want us to go after players who are already on a good wage and then offer them a lot more. You’re also ignoring the fact that those players played for us during our most profitable time and not when crowds are way down and when we’re still feeling the affects of a pandemic. |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 4, 2022 10:42:29 GMT
Accommodation has been a problem for a long time Yes because they’ve burned bridges,created a bad reputation and left themselves with few options. I know first hand how they treat landlords and it wasn’t good ! And some of the places I saw you wouldn't kennel your dog in |
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Post by iginla on Jun 4, 2022 10:44:56 GMT
hit nail on head , yes it’s background stuff & shouldn’t matter they are here to play not live in luxury, but it does matter and most of last years players were all saying the same thing about accommodation etc & the Brits had just had enough, that’s why we’ve lost Perlini & Now Ollie. I’m hoping Perls might change his mind if asked now we have the new regime. If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? Exactly. I mean take Cam Janssen,they sign an NHL player like him and where do they house him ? Directly above the kitchen of a fried chicken establishment and the place stinks to high heaven ! 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 10:53:13 GMT
All these examples what you giving pacha ain't got a chance in changing...because it involves spending more on accomodation!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 10:54:32 GMT
Strange when we had farmer , Clarke, weaver .. the imports weren't too shabby were they.. that argument is blown out of the water too! Yes they would have been on a good wage but what you’re saying is that you want us to go after players who are already on a good wage and then offer them a lot more. You’re also ignoring the fact that those players played for us during our most profitable time and not when crowds are way down and when we’re still feeling the affects of a pandemic. Let's not bring the pandemic into thanks! Neither of the big 3 seems to have suffered with it! |
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Post by ragingbull on Jun 4, 2022 13:05:02 GMT
If you're restricted in how much you can pay players by a cap, you should damn well make sure everything else is fantastic. Flyers players get Mercs while Panthers get clown cars. Spend a bit of money so that rather than the silly little Fiat 500s, players get something nice. It might cost you an extra £200 a month, but it will be £200 you're not taking out of your cap. I also seem to remember a few years ago, an Import asking twitter for help on fixing a washing machine or dishwasher (can't remember which) and the thing looked about 20 years old. I'm not saying they need giant luxury penthouses, but maybe a flat with white goods rather than yellow goods? Exactly. I mean take Cam Janssen,they sign an NHL player like him and where do they house him ? Directly above the kitchen of a fried chicken establishment and the place stinks to high heaven ! 🙄 Saw him in that establishment plenty when he was here! He (and other players) have never seemed to mind that. |
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Post by wgray on Jun 4, 2022 14:45:05 GMT
I know it’s not the most exciting announcement when the Brits are revealed but considering it was 3 announcements together I did expect it to be British players.
Great to have Archie Hazeldine on board, hopefully he’ll get some game time this season and it’s good to see we’re planning ahead and bringing in some squad depth.
Some people have been bemoaning Kelsall’s return but we need players to play the bottom 6 and he will do that. He’s still really young as well, only 22, so hopefully Graham can work with him and help him to keep improving all areas of his game.
Finally, it’s great to see Hopkins has signed up, especially on a full time basis. From the podcast earlier Graham was very complimentary of him and sounded really pleased to have him on board.
With Ollie not playing for us this season and both Kelsall and Hopkins being righties, there’s opportunity for them both to try and stake their claim on that 3rd line RW spot as well.
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Post by spik on Jun 4, 2022 16:46:17 GMT
Interesting stuff here as regards the ‘looking after players’ and I’ve learnt a lot on this. I live with my head in the sand as regards accommodation and cars.
Was going to ask why Nottingham were not as good as the selected four mentioned ( who apparently have better organisation in this department) so as to understand. But seems my query has been answered.
Still think that you can’t blame Covid for such when all teams suffered through the same experiences. But do some clubs have an advantage over others or is it plain and simple as ‘effort’ put in?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 16:53:42 GMT
If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. Like Ciaran Long marrying a local girl this week the same time as his re-signing is announced: the signing news congratulating him at length. Or Matt Myers' time in Cardiff being inevitably influenced by his own family situation. Money versus trophies equalling greater opportunities Money versus family Etc, etc. Who here would take more money too potentially do less well in their job and be away from family? Not everything is about money Hockey players careers are short ! If you think they ain't money motivated you are more naive than I thought. Panthers once signed a player for a extra 50 quid a week with what Sheffield offered.. That player was settled in Sheffield and very successful there.. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 5, 2022 18:55:56 GMT
Like Ciaran Long marrying a local girl this week the same time as his re-signing is announced: the signing news congratulating him at length. Or Matt Myers' time in Cardiff being inevitably influenced by his own family situation. Money versus trophies equalling greater opportunities Money versus family Etc, etc. Who here would take more money too potentially do less well in their job and be away from family? Not everything is about money Hockey players careers are short ! If you think they ain't money motivated you are more naive than I thought. Panthers once signed a player for a extra 50 quid a week with what Sheffield offered.. That player was settled in Sheffield and very successful there.. So which is it? 1 - offer them £200 and they'll come *just* for the money? 2 - Or money is only *a factor*? Which coincidentally was exactly what I was suggesting - there are many factors, of which money is yes *one* 3 - Or they'll come *just* for an extra £50? Because people making the same money trumps all point have now argued all three on this thread in quick succession? Do you really believe money is the *only* reason a player would choose a successful team over a less successful team Pidge? Genuine question. Even if it's an extra £50 but lousy accommodation, and not being taken care of by the team? Which I'm pretty sure has come up up for discussion somewhere recently 😉☺️ PS: Pidge, we've disagreed on many points over the years you and I but never once have I suggested that just because you have a different view that your view is lesser, and certainly never suggested it's naive. The same would be appreciated... A) because I'm not going to take the bait no matter now much you want to start a flame war And B) not least because as we've discussed before with regard to this topic I made my first career in professional sport, so I'm only too familiar with the shortness of a career and the financial versus success dilemma or mercenary versus quality of life question. And no £50 would not have swung it one way or the other for me. But maybe I was naive in my career, searching for success, fulfillment, opportunity and longevity? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:05:43 GMT
Will that come under this rebuild... Or the next one in 3 years time 😂.
On the subject of accommodation if that doesn't improve or change no matter how good pacha is decent players will never come anyway 😂.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 5, 2022 20:11:01 GMT
Will that come under this rebuild... Or the next one in 3 years time 😂. On the subject of accommodation if that doesn't improve or change no matter how good pacha is decent players will never come anyway 😂. So they won't come "no mistake" for £200 a week regardless then after all? 😉☺️ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:14:11 GMT
Will that come under this rebuild... Or the next one in 3 years time 😂. On the subject of accommodation if that doesn't improve or change no matter how good pacha is decent players will never come anyway 😂. The won't even come "no mistake" for £200 a week regardless then? 😉☺️ If you get put up in a squat for a season with a 20 year old appliance (like some seem to suggest) I guess not lol . |
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jun 6, 2022 10:25:43 GMT
Well, well, well. The thread gets hijacked for another bashing session by those give the impression they are in the know and are aware of the ins and outs of the club, the same club they don't support for a significent length of time and use every opportunity to denegrate.
One even using the example of the quality of a Brit player for a rival team being better than the Brits the Panthers have, apart from the said player has not played for that team for 6 years.
Still, lets not allow facts get in the way of the another club rant, eh.
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