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Post by sevcik on Jun 4, 2022 6:09:19 GMT
As revealed on the latest podcast Jordan Kelsall, Jack Hopkins & Archie Hazeldine sign for Panthers.
Hazeldine is on a two way & Panthers have 1st call on him on game day.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 4, 2022 6:13:53 GMT
Now just to finish the Brit pack off with Lee & Lacho + back up goalie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 6:26:09 GMT
Now just to finish the Brit pack off with Lee & Lacho + back up goalie. If that's serious it's pretty much the worst Brit pack this club will ever have had! I was hoping with a new club and pacha this may change for the better.. obviously not! |
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 4, 2022 6:28:54 GMT
In all seriousness I think Hopkins being here full time is great news and think we may see him really kick on this season. Archie Hazeldine on a 2 way is a good signing. Sounds like he had a great season last season so having him if and when needed this term is good business.
Kelsall is the one concerns me. I'm no hater of his but a spot we could have done with upgrading.
An early sign of where we are at with being able to tempt/wanting to pay top Brits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 6:31:16 GMT
In all seriousness I think Hopkins being here full time is great news and think we may see him really kick on this season. Archie Hazeldine on a 2 way is a good signing. Sounds like he had a great season last season so having him if and when needed this term is good business. Kelsall is the one concerns me. I'm no hater of his but a spot we could have done with upgrading. An early sign of where we are at with being able to tempt/wanting to pay top Brits. Exactly it's pretty obvious the money isn't there to tempt top senior Brits for example if we offered Hook another 200 quid a week than Belfast he would come make no mistake! |
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 4, 2022 6:37:22 GMT
Now just to finish the Brit pack off with Lee & Lacho + back up goalie. If that's serious it's pretty much the worst Brit pack this club will ever have had! I was hoping with a new club and pacha this may change for the better.. obviously not! I'm concerned. I dont know anything but it wouldn't suprise me. I know for a fact Pacha is working his nuts off, but we all know he has work to do to improve Panthers reputation with players. Something that may not be dooable whilst Black is still at the top. We do still need to wait for the Brits to be completed of course but I wouldn't be suprised if Black was still having to much involvement and refusing to pay what it takes to bring in the top Brits. As far as the changes at the club. So far we've seen Pacha say some good things, we've seen Graham appointed and say some good things. Otherwise it's pretty much same old, same old. I mean, this mornings second instalment of the weekly "Coaches Corner" comes an entire 2 weeks after the first. Things clearly arn't going to change over night, we all get that. If you are going to start something new though, make sure it's what you say from the off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 6:45:19 GMT
If that's serious it's pretty much the worst Brit pack this club will ever have had! I was hoping with a new club and pacha this may change for the better.. obviously not! I'm concerned. I dont know anything but it wouldn't suprise me. I know for a fact Pacha is working his nuts off, but we all know he has work to do to improve Panthers reputation with players. Something that may not be dooable whilst Black is still at the top. We do still need to wait for the Brits to be completed of course but I wouldn't be suprised if Black was still having to much involvement and refusing to pay what it takes to bring in the top Brits. As far as the changes at the club. So far we've seen Pacha say some good things, we've seen Graham appointed and say some good things. Otherwise it's pretty much same old, same old. I mean, this mornings second instalment of the weekly "Coaches Corner" comes an entire 2 weeks after the first. Things clearly arn't going to change over night, we all get that. If you are going to start something new though, make sure it's what you say from the off. Exactly mate it's alright saying the right things on the radio etc but there's needs to be hardware proof! And at the moment it's all words.. for a organization which has been rock bottom for years you'd think they'd want statement signings to signal the club are on the way back! But clearly like you say nothing is changing atm |
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 4, 2022 7:17:36 GMT
In all seriousness I think Hopkins being here full time is great news and think we may see him really kick on this season. Archie Hazeldine on a 2 way is a good signing. Sounds like he had a great season last season so having him if and when needed this term is good business. Kelsall is the one concerns me. I'm no hater of his but a spot we could have done with upgrading. An early sign of where we are at with being able to tempt/wanting to pay top Brits. Exactly it's pretty obvious the money isn't there to tempt top senior Brits for example if we offered Hook another 200 quid a week than Belfast he would come make no mistake! And neither should it be. An extra £200 a week for Lewis Hook?! That’s roughly and extra £6000 a season for an average Brit and that won’t win anybody the league. That’s why we won’t get top Brits because in order to tempt them you’d have to pay way over the odds. You could potentially afford it but would it really be worth it? I’d rather see that money be spent on signing a “Sam Herr” over an average import |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 7:32:46 GMT
Exactly it's pretty obvious the money isn't there to tempt top senior Brits for example if we offered Hook another 200 quid a week than Belfast he would come make no mistake! And neither should it be. An extra £200 a week for Lewis Hook?! That’s roughly and extra £6000 a season for an average Brit and that won’t win anybody the league. That’s why we won’t get top Brits because in order to tempt them you’d have to pay way over the odds. You could potentially afford it but would it really be worth it? I’d rather see that money be spent on signing a “Sam Herr” over an average import And that lies the problem.. I used Hook as a example. I've said you can't be successful WITH IMPORTS ALONE! You need good Brits .. Giants Hook, long, peacock, garside, conway Devils bowns, Richardson, batch, duggan Steelers dowd, Phillips, J Phillips, Jones Not really comparable is it ? That's why those 3 teams finish comfortably ahead of panthers |
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 4, 2022 7:52:49 GMT
And neither should it be. An extra £200 a week for Lewis Hook?! That’s roughly and extra £6000 a season for an average Brit and that won’t win anybody the league. That’s why we won’t get top Brits because in order to tempt them you’d have to pay way over the odds. You could potentially afford it but would it really be worth it? I’d rather see that money be spent on signing a “Sam Herr” over an average import And that lies the problem.. I used Hook as a example. I've said you can't be successful WITH IMPORTS ALONE! You need good Brits .. Giants Hook, long, peacock, garside, conway Devils bowns, Richardson, batch, duggan Steelers dowd, Phillips, J Phillips, Jones Not really comparable is it ? That's why those 3 teams finish comfortably ahead of panthers It is a problem I agree but I don’t think there’s a straightforward solution. I certainly don’t think the solution is trying to tempt other Brits by paying more than they deserve and are worth. I’ll use your Hook example. If he was worth another £200 a week I reckon Belfast would already be paying it to him |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 8:06:05 GMT
And that lies the problem.. I used Hook as a example. I've said you can't be successful WITH IMPORTS ALONE! You need good Brits .. Giants Hook, long, peacock, garside, conway Devils bowns, Richardson, batch, duggan Steelers dowd, Phillips, J Phillips, Jones Not really comparable is it ? That's why those 3 teams finish comfortably ahead of panthers It is a problem I agree but I don’t think there’s a straightforward solution. I certainly don’t think the solution is trying to tempt other Brits by paying more than they deserve and are worth. I’ll use your Hook example. If he was worth another £200 a week I reckon Belfast would already be paying it to him Probably not as they already have Conway peacock etc on the books .. it's not like they are short of Brit quality.. I'm glad you have identified it as a problem.. because that's what it is |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 4, 2022 8:13:54 GMT
I'm concerned. I dont know anything but it wouldn't suprise me. I know for a fact Pacha is working his nuts off, but we all know he has work to do to improve Panthers reputation with players. Something that may not be dooable whilst Black is still at the top. We do still need to wait for the Brits to be completed of course but I wouldn't be suprised if Black was still having to much involvement and refusing to pay what it takes to bring in the top Brits. As far as the changes at the club. So far we've seen Pacha say some good things, we've seen Graham appointed and say some good things. Otherwise it's pretty much same old, same old. I mean, this mornings second instalment of the weekly "Coaches Corner" comes an entire 2 weeks after the first. Things clearly arn't going to change over night, we all get that. If you are going to start something new though, make sure it's what you say from the off. Exactly mate it's alright saying the right things on the radio etc but there's needs to be hardware proof! And at the moment it's all words.. for a organization which has been rock bottom for years you'd think they'd want statement signings to signal the club are on the way back! But clearly like you say nothing is changing atm And if they are rock bottom would you expect players to pick coming here rather than the big three? To get the Brits we may have to prove things have changed first |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 8:17:16 GMT
Exactly mate it's alright saying the right things on the radio etc but there's needs to be hardware proof! And at the moment it's all words.. for a organization which has been rock bottom for years you'd think they'd want statement signings to signal the club are on the way back! But clearly like you say nothing is changing atm And if they are rock bottom would you expect players to pick coming here rather than the big three? To get the Brits we may have to prove things have changed first If you're 10th or top if you offer the money they'll come .. |
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Post by bratters on Jun 4, 2022 8:18:01 GMT
Perhaps being devils advocate here , but clearly you do have to pay over the top for experienced Brits , so maybe Pacha is looking long term and signing a couple of experienced Brits - Myers + ? and then bringing in young Brits. Perhaps we won’t win the league for a season or two - it’s not exactly a regular occurrence for us anyway to win it - but chasing an ever diminishing pool of experienced Brits is perhaps the route they are not taking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 8:30:09 GMT
Perhaps being devils advocate here , but clearly you do have to pay over the top for experienced Brits , so maybe Pacha is looking long term and signing a couple of experienced Brits - Myers + ? and then bringing in young Brits. Perhaps we won’t win the league for a season or two - it’s not exactly a regular occurrence for us anyway to win it - but chasing an ever diminishing pool of experienced Brits is perhaps the route they are not taking. It's a good theory but I don't think that's their plan.. I just don't think they want to pay good money for import quality Brits .. |
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Post by KC93 on Jun 4, 2022 8:43:06 GMT
And if they are rock bottom would you expect players to pick coming here rather than the big three? To get the Brits we may have to prove things have changed first If you're 10th or top if you offer the money they'll come .. If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. |
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 4, 2022 8:47:41 GMT
It is a problem I agree but I don’t think there’s a straightforward solution. I certainly don’t think the solution is trying to tempt other Brits by paying more than they deserve and are worth. I’ll use your Hook example. If he was worth another £200 a week I reckon Belfast would already be paying it to him Probably not as they already have Conway peacock etc on the books .. it's not like they are short of Brit quality.. I'm glad you have identified it as a problem.. because that's what it is It’s not about who they already have it’s about a players worth. If he was worth so much more they would offer it or risk losing him to other clubs that will be circling. If they are already paying him what he’s worth then it requires someone coming in to pay over the odds to try and tempt him away which would be questionable which it would have to be as we all know Brits generally tend to stay put unless they’re no longer wanted |
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Post by bratters on Jun 4, 2022 9:05:02 GMT
Perhaps being devils advocate here , but clearly you do have to pay over the top for experienced Brits , so maybe Pacha is looking long term and signing a couple of experienced Brits - Myers + ? and then bringing in young Brits. Perhaps we won’t win the league for a season or two - it’s not exactly a regular occurrence for us anyway to win it - but chasing an ever diminishing pool of experienced Brits is perhaps the route they are not taking. It's a good theory but I don't think that's their plan.. I just don't think they want to pay good money for import quality Brits .. You can’t beat a good theory - it helps to try understand what appears not to be understandable 🙂 |
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Post by Higgy on Jun 4, 2022 9:06:37 GMT
I believe Hopkins will be an elite level Brit in a few years time so I'm glad we've tied him up again.
Ther aren't that many elite Brits doing the rounds so hopefully we'll have some top notch imports to make up for it.
Early days let's not write the season off yet.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 4, 2022 9:08:32 GMT
I would imagine that any player reading this forum would be reluctant to come to Nottingham. The constant derision of anything and everything by some people is pathetic. There are people on here who would find fault even if they hand-picked the squad themselves. Let's not try to bring any new talent through by giving them an opportunity to prove themselves. In that way this forum will be self perpetuating and the question of why there is no new talent can be asked year upon year. This! 👍🏾 It's amazing the turnaround in certain posters views in only a couple of weeks. Normal negative service resumed |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 4, 2022 9:10:14 GMT
It's a good theory but I don't think that's their plan.. I just don't think they want to pay good money for import quality Brits .. You can’t beat a good theory - it helps to try understand what appears not to be understandable 🙂 Or at least not taking the inevitable, "they're rubbish", "nothing will change" and "making bad decisions already" route |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 9:13:07 GMT
If you're 10th or top if you offer the money they'll come .. If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. Strange when we had farmer , Clarke, weaver .. the imports weren't too shabby were they.. that argument is blown out of the water too! |
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Post by iginla on Jun 4, 2022 9:14:00 GMT
Now just to finish the Brit pack off with Lee & Lacho + back up goalie. Crikey,that lot plus targeting some of last years team. They’ll be lucky to finish 5th again ! 🙄 |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 4, 2022 9:14:05 GMT
If you're 10th or top if you offer the money they'll come .. If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. Like Ciaran Long marrying a local girl this week the same time as his re-signing is announced: the signing news congratulating him at length. Or Matt Myers' time in Cardiff being inevitably influenced by his own family situation. Money versus trophies equalling greater opportunities Money versus family Etc, etc. Who here would take more money too potentially do less well in their job and be away from family? Not everything is about money |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 4, 2022 9:15:10 GMT
If all brits are mercenaries like you are claiming then surely brits would constantly be on the move, but they’re not because there is more to these decisions than just money. Also if we blew our budget on brits then you’d be first to complain about how our imports aren’t good enough. Strange when we had farmer , Clarke, weaver .. the imports weren't too shabby were they.. that argument is blown out of the water too! So money was the only reason David Clarke stayed in Nottingham? |
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