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Post by iginla on Jun 27, 2022 20:03:24 GMT
I hope I’m misreading things a bit but I’m not seeing much of an upgrade. ECHL save percentages:- Dubeau .902 Carr .906 Dubeau's percentage is dragged down by that one game for Orlando where he registered a 0.860, if you take that out of the equation his average is a 0.909. I've every faith that given GG has coached him before he knows what he's like as a character and that'll he do a good job for us. But 0.909 is I would hazard a guess not really good enough to win the EIHL I should think most recent EIHL league winning goalies have been 0.92 or thereabouts? |
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 27, 2022 20:05:39 GMT
I hope I’m misreading things a bit but I’m not seeing much of an upgrade. ECHL save percentages:- Dubeau .902 Carr .906 Dubeau's percentage is dragged down by that one game for Orlando where he registered a 0.860, if you take that out of the equation his average is a 0.909. I've every faith that given GG has coached him before he knows what he's like as a character and that'll he do a good job for us. That is the biggest positive from this signing. GG knows him so there is a lot more trust can be put in to the decision making process here. |
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 27, 2022 20:09:40 GMT
Comparing stats in the same league is pointless.. Carr may have played behind better defences for example... Whereas if you put up decent stats in a better league it's been against better forwards. I'm very confident this guy will be far better than Carr !. I agree and there are lots of different variables that can affect a goalies stats and I think he probably will end up being better than Carr as someone saw something in him to give him a chance in DEL and GG has coached him before and although a puck hasn’t been dropped yet GG has an air of capability and nous about him do I trust he know what he’s doing. It just doesn’t get me too excited looking at his stats page which is all we have to go on |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 20:15:29 GMT
That's it Graham knows what he's capable of, he doesn't need to look on elite prospects to see what he looks like ala Doucet. Watching those few highlights shows he's better at rebound control and quicker across his crease than Carr was.
Trust the process
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 20:16:55 GMT
Dubeau's percentage is dragged down by that one game for Orlando where he registered a 0.860, if you take that out of the equation his average is a 0.909. I've every faith that given GG has coached him before he knows what he's like as a character and that'll he do a good job for us. But 0.909 is I would hazard a guess not really good enough to win the EIHL I should think most recent EIHL league winning goalies have been 0.92 or thereabouts? That's down to the quality of defence in front of him.. you think Kwall would have led panthers to a league title in 12/13 with last year's defence? |
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Post by Caesar on Jun 27, 2022 21:04:50 GMT
When did our fanbase get so dumb? Honestly, the comments on twitter and Facebook kill me
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Post by iginla on Jun 27, 2022 21:09:38 GMT
That's it Graham knows what he's capable of, he doesn't need to look on elite prospects to see what he looks like ala Doucet. Watching those few highlights shows he's better at rebound control and quicker across his crease than Carr was. Trust the process Yes but Pidge mate. If there was a highlights reel put together for Carr they aren’t going to show all the rebounds and soft ones he let in are they....come on Highlight reels only show the good bits ! |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 27, 2022 21:56:46 GMT
That's it Graham knows what he's capable of, he doesn't need to look on elite prospects to see what he looks like ala Doucet. Watching those few highlights shows he's better at rebound control and quicker across his crease than Carr was. Trust the process Yes but Pidge mate. If there was a highlights reel put together for Carr they aren’t going to show all the rebounds and soft ones he let in are they....come on Highlight reels only show the good bits ! Best highlight reel I've seen for a Panthers signing was Nathan Robinson. Which proved nothing. |
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Post by messier1851 on Jun 27, 2022 21:58:42 GMT
It doesn’t always mean much as has been said previously, much depends on the team in front of you, but by comparison…
Kowalski 0.920 ECHL, 35 AHL games.
Some of the current/recent crop…
Beskorowany 0.912 ECHL, 60+ AHL and DEL games.
CJ Motte 0.912 ECHL, 22 AHL games.
Carruth 0.908 ECHL, 51 AHL games.
Owen 0.906 ECHL.
Conversely to all this Dan Bakala, seen by some as the best nettie to have played in the EIHL had never played higher than the now defunct Central Hockey League.
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Post by jd on Jun 27, 2022 22:12:38 GMT
The season before we signed killer(who wasn’t bad was he?) his stats in Italy were
Played 32
GAA 4.14
Save % .897
GG knows him, let’s just see what happens and maybe not jump off the deep end before he’s even been in the country never mind been on the ice
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Post by John Casey on Jun 27, 2022 22:19:25 GMT
For the Back Up slot, I wouldn't mind if we signed Downie.
Looks like he hasn't re-signed with Manchester yet and he seemingly did well last season as well as helping us getting over the line to secure 4th against Coventry. Granted he had a bit of a mere for Cardiff's 3rd goal against in the final game of the regular season. But TBH, that was a do not get injured kind of game.
He think he's rivalling Hedley for 3rd choice N/M for GB
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Post by iginla on Jun 27, 2022 22:23:49 GMT
Yes but Pidge mate. If there was a highlights reel put together for Carr they aren’t going to show all the rebounds and soft ones he let in are they....come on Highlight reels only show the good bits ! Best highlight reel I've seen for a Panthers signing was Nathan Robinson. Which proved nothing. Lol good one. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 4:49:15 GMT
When did our fanbase get so dumb? Honestly, the comments on twitter and Facebook kill me Honestly I'm astounded by it.. generally clueless and more than just the odd on too... They need a job in the circus |
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Post by norbert70 on Jun 28, 2022 6:32:11 GMT
When did our fanbase get so dumb? Honestly, the comments on twitter and Facebook kill me Honestly I'm astounded by it.. generally clueless and more than just the odd on too... They need a job in the circus For gods sake, don't let them on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 7:08:14 GMT
The season before we signed killer(who wasn’t bad was he?) his stats in Italy were Played 32 GAA 4.14 Save % .897 GG knows him, let’s just see what happens and maybe not jump off the deep end before he’s even been in the country never mind been on the ice God knows what the Twitter experts/ coaches would have made of him |
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Post by iginla on Jun 28, 2022 7:40:43 GMT
The season before we signed killer(who wasn’t bad was he?) his stats in Italy were Played 32 GAA 4.14 Save % .897 GG knows him, let’s just see what happens and maybe not jump off the deep end before he’s even been in the country never mind been on the ice God knows what the Twitter experts/ coaches would have made of him In Killers defence he did say he had a very poor team in front of him that year in Italy. But a fairer comparison of course would be Killers stats in the ECHL over far more games which were always generally between 0.916 to 0.923 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 9:56:08 GMT
God knows what the Twitter experts/ coaches would have made of him In Killers defence he did say he had a very poor team in front of him that year in Italy. But a fairer comparison of course would be Killers stats in the ECHL over far more games which were always generally between 0.916 to 0.923 Which I have said before how do you know Dubeau hasn't played behind worse defences than who Kwall has in the coast? |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jun 28, 2022 9:57:16 GMT
Looking at his Brampton season where 89.8% SVS and 3.23GAA in 40 games doesn’t look great, but look at Joey Daccord who played 12 games for the same team.
Daccord was only 0.3% SVS better in only 12 games and had 2.85GAA.
Daccord was at 91.5% in the AHL that season and has subsequently gone on to play 13 NHL games in the next two seasons.
Dubeau looks a big character, a good age with some good experience, having won championships and hungry to start a lot of games.
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Post by iginla on Jun 28, 2022 10:31:08 GMT
In Killers defence he did say he had a very poor team in front of him that year in Italy. But a fairer comparison of course would be Killers stats in the ECHL over far more games which were always generally between 0.916 to 0.923 Which I have said before how do you know Dubeau hasn't played behind worse defences than who Kwall has in the coast? We don’t,but based on his stats pretty much every defence he’s played behind must have been quite poor. I’m not saying he’s a bad signing,his stats aren’t really bad but it’s hard to see how he’s the great signing some seem to be making out. The good bit is he’s played for GG,but that was only for a very few games. There were odd runs of half a dozen games where Carr looked solid but we know he wasn’t great, Perhaps Dubeau did the same for half a dozen games whilst playing for GG. It’s a wait and see one,could go either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 12:35:56 GMT
I can’t even begin to imagine what the outcry would have been had Panthers signed Tyler Beskorawany for 2018/19 and not Belfast…
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Post by bobness on Jun 28, 2022 12:49:40 GMT
I can’t even begin to imagine what the outcry would have been had Panthers signed Tyler Beskorawany for 2018/19 and not Belfast… I am literally about to look at that... Imagine if Panthers had signed a keeper who 2 seasons ago didn't play at all, then the season before played 14 games in total, semi pro for a few games then had a 4.01 GAA in the EIHL, with a 2-8-0 record? Rubbish. It's bad enough predicting skaters on stats alone, even worse netminders. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 14:21:38 GMT
I can’t even begin to imagine what the outcry would have been had Panthers signed Tyler Beskorawany for 2018/19 and not Belfast… But that doesn't fit the narrative of bashing panthers! The amount I've seen people say "he's only played 9 games last year" |
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Post by wgray on Jun 28, 2022 17:42:38 GMT
I can’t even begin to imagine what the outcry would have been had Panthers signed Tyler Beskorawany for 2018/19 and not Belfast… I know what you’re saying about Besko, in that he’d had a tough season in 17/18 and didn’t play at all in 16/17 (injury?), but in 14/15 he won the DEL goalie of the year award. Had we signed him at that point I think there would have been big expectations on him from our fanbase, irrelevant of those previous two seasons. Dubeau hasn’t played a vast amount of games in his pro career, but the positives are that he’s just been playing in the DEL, he’s still young, he’s had experience with Graham and he’s already won some trophies throughout his career. It may end up that he’s not the best goalie in the league but those positive points I listed give me hope in him. |
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Post by Yotes on Jun 28, 2022 22:22:28 GMT
I can’t even begin to imagine what the outcry would have been had Panthers signed Tyler Beskorawany for 2018/19 and not Belfast… I am literally about to look at that... Imagine if Panthers had signed a keeper who 2 seasons ago didn't play at all, then the season before played 14 games in total, semi pro for a few games then had a 4.01 GAA in the EIHL, with a 2-8-0 record? Rubbish. It's bad enough predicting skaters on stats alone, even worse netminders. In fairness .901 for the Caps equates to about 0.999 for anyone else, so I think we'd have been OK with it. |
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Post by iginla on Jun 28, 2022 22:29:52 GMT
I am literally about to look at that... Imagine if Panthers had signed a keeper who 2 seasons ago didn't play at all, then the season before played 14 games in total, semi pro for a few games then had a 4.01 GAA in the EIHL, with a 2-8-0 record? Rubbish. It's bad enough predicting skaters on stats alone, even worse netminders. In fairness .901 for the Caps equates to about 0.999 for anyone else, so I think we'd have been OK with it. Yes indeed,Besko’s 4.01 GAA wasn’t bad in that garbage Edinburgh team,especially when the other three goalies the Caps used that season shipped 5.2,7.2 and 9.2 goals per game respectively ! |
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