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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 3, 2022 22:00:06 GMT
Wow got to be one of the worst excuses I've ever heard 🤣.. and there's been some poor ones Tim did actually say tonight in his post game interview that “some of the guys tried”. But also that Belfast had some “top end dangerous players”. Perhaps a little dig there that he hasn’t got any. They also have a top-end, dangerous coach
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Post by wgray on Jan 3, 2022 23:20:59 GMT
Wow got to be one of the worst excuses I've ever heard 🤣.. and there's been some poor ones Tim did actually say tonight in his post game interview that “some of the guys tried”. But also that Belfast had some “top end dangerous players”. Perhaps a little dig there that he hasn’t got any. It’s a fair point, look at the respective line-ups tonight, it’s no competition.
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Post by Caesar on Jan 3, 2022 23:37:33 GMT
Tim did actually say tonight in his post game interview that “some of the guys tried”. But also that Belfast had some “top end dangerous players”. Perhaps a little dig there that he hasn’t got any. It’s a fair point, look at the respective line-ups tonight, it’s no competition. What a terribly sad situation. Things are obviously not right at Panthers HQ, and to be honest, they haven't been right for more than a while. Everyone on here is a Panthers fan (a few others too, mainly Wannabe2, and I value his opinion cos he's a hockey fan, we all are). I feel like we're heading over a cliff, and we all want someone to come riding in on a white horse to save us. It'll be a bloody miracle if we end up as lucky as Cardiff
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Post by iginla on Jan 4, 2022 0:18:25 GMT
Tim did actually say tonight in his post game interview that “some of the guys tried”. But also that Belfast had some “top end dangerous players”. Perhaps a little dig there that he hasn’t got any. It’s a fair point, look at the respective line-ups tonight, it’s no competition. It is a fair point. But it’s not Belfast’s fault that Panthers haven’t got any top end dangerous guys,it’s Wallace’s,Doucets and/or Blacks.
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Post by samjohnson345 on Jan 4, 2022 0:52:58 GMT
Hope they can get Fournier and at least one more in asap, just to give us a bit of pride! You just wanted to see a reaction tonight, to show that the situation peed them off. Only really Myers who displayed that when he smashed his stick, to be honest it’s the most animated I’ve ever seen him! I sit behind the away bench and the Giants were taking the mick out of us throughout. There was a big step up hit that sent one of our forwards flying in the first at 3-0, and no one went over to even have a word. I’m not expecting to no choice and pummel someone into the ice, but my god you’d expect at least a word. What a lovely team we are to play against. Lovely arena and facilities, gorgeous, big ice pad, you can swan into the zone at will, will be applauded off the ice, wanna jab away at the goalie? Be my guest. Wanna lay a big hit with no consequence, be my guest. As you can tell by the ramblings it’s frustrated me! You just feel for the players in a lot of this, because they’d be skating 2 inches taller if they knew they had a player of the Lepine, Janssen, Rissling, McGrattan, Doty mould there to back them up. Not only that but the clearing the crease issues frustrate me no end, seeing where near enough all of the 11 goals we’ve just conceded were from. Against some of the teams this year that I’ve seen, you breathe near the goalie and get a shove! Ben Lake was stood behind Carr, in his goal at one point tonight!! The fact we get walked over on home ice is such a shame! Sorry for the rant, I’m just gutted. I love watching the Panthers, but there’s so much more that could be done. As I always caveat, only my opinion, and I respect those who disagree with anything.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 4, 2022 2:16:22 GMT
Doubt it.. look at the quality of CV (or lack of). Hardly littered with stars is it . It's not like we've signed a ton of AHL/NHL/SHL and they've performed badly is it they simply ain't on the roster ! The comparison of each teams roster experience for this season is telling. However from this it looks like Giants are massively over performing. Interesting to note on the above. Giants appear to be over performing based on recent games but they have played 3 games against Cardiff and Sheffield so far and lost all 3. Including the 7-1 hammering in Sheffield. Belfast play Cardiff 4 times before the end of January. Those 4 games will go a long way to seeing whether they are the real deal or not imo.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 4, 2022 8:25:46 GMT
Perhaps this lowering the wage cap is the problem. Maybe Black saw it as an excuse to provide even less funds than in the past as he expected the competition to have lesser quality as well.
Either that or Doucet has grossly failed in his recruitment. I'd bank more on the former tbh.
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Post by spik on Jan 4, 2022 8:30:48 GMT
All the games due update (post match) have now been done up to the Sheffield two games at least. Welsh has been given those three assists you mention, all documented on the 'fixtures' thread.Tetlow getting one in that game too. The only other additions were from our game v Guildford on the 11th December when Doherty, Myers, Thow and Souranta got assisits. The league have done the gamesheets but not altered the player stats😂 Yes I saw this and noted it in the 'Fixtures' thread. A right mess.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 4, 2022 10:06:37 GMT
Perhaps this lowering the wage cap is the problem. Maybe Black saw it as an excuse to provide even less funds than in the past as he expected the competition to have lesser quality as well. Either that or Doucet has grossly failed in his recruitment. I'd bank more on the former tbh. Yes so would I. That's a nailed on.
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Post by iginla on Jan 4, 2022 10:07:53 GMT
Perhaps this lowering the wage cap is the problem. Maybe Black saw it as an excuse to provide even less funds than in the past as he expected the competition to have lesser quality as well. Either that or Doucet has grossly failed in his recruitment. I'd bank more on the former tbh. And i’d say that you’re absolutely spot on there old boy. A large six inch nail squarely hit firmly on the head with a sledgehammer.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 4, 2022 10:27:48 GMT
Perhaps this lowering the wage cap is the problem. Maybe Black saw it as an excuse to provide even less funds than in the past as he expected the competition to have lesser quality as well. Either that or Doucet has grossly failed in his recruitment. I'd bank more on the former tbh. I'd very much lean to the former. While I don't think Doucet should get a free pass when he's signed the team he has, if there were resources available we'd surely have got some better replacements by now. Look at Steelers signings, they managed to sign more players, all who improve their team. We look like we've struggled to attract the same quality of mid season imports.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 4, 2022 10:29:03 GMT
Nice of the EIHL Twitter to show us just how far we've fallen.
We've now got an equal Home record with the Stars and Flyers.
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Post by John Casey on Jan 4, 2022 10:39:26 GMT
My theory is that they were waiting to see if there were going to restrictions/shutdown in January before bringing people in.
Now there aparantly aren't, we'll see if someone is brought in soon.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 4, 2022 11:29:37 GMT
Disappointing and I said after the first goal went in it was going to be a long afternoon.
My view on the game, after the first period, which was dire, we didnt play that badly and that belfast didnt play that well at times, but they didnt have to because there is a chasm of difference in the skills. It was like, at times, watching football premier team playing against a league 1 team.
There was effort from the players, some more than others; Boivin never stopped trying all game but he is 6 inches and 2 stone too small and trying to go against someone like ruopp is never going to come off. Kelsall is the same, needs some size.
Carr is never going to win us games, he is either poor or outstanding nothing in between, makes too many errors and a lot of those are silly ones like being out of position. In the 2019-20 season he got away with it as we had Herr at the other end, and in the elite series the standard of player he was facing wasnt the same as this season and he is shown up to how poor he is. The defence doesnt help either how many times when we attack is either Matheson or Doherty behind the opposition net?
I think we are a cheap team and it shows and with the crowds getting smaller, the budget for next season could be cut meaning you will get an even lower quality of import and around and around it goes, but also will you keep the likes of Betteridge and Kelsall?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 4, 2022 11:29:56 GMT
My theory is that they were waiting to see if there were going to restrictions/shutdown in January before bringing people in. Now there aparantly aren't, we'll see if someone is brought in soon. My theory is the same except that if there were still bums on seats and wild screams and cheering when the players were introduced no need to bring anyone in.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 4, 2022 11:45:22 GMT
Disappointing and I said after the first goal went in it was going to be a long afternoon. My view on the game, after the first period, which was dire, we didnt play that badly and that belfast didnt play that well at times, but they didnt have to because there is a chasm of difference in the skills. It was like, at times, watching football premier team playing against a league 1 team. There was effort from the players, some more than others; Boivin never stopped trying all game but he is 6 inches and 2 stone too small and trying to go against someone like ruopp is never going to come off. Kelsall is the same, needs some size. Carr is never going to win us games, he is either poor or outstanding nothing in between, makes too many errors and a lot of those are silly ones like being out of position. In the 2019-20 season he got away with it as we had Herr at the other end, and in the elite series the standard of player he was facing wasnt the same as this season and he is shown up to how poor he is. The defence doesnt help either how many times when we attack is either Matheson or Doherty behind the opposition net? I think we are a cheap team and it shows and with the crowds getting smaller, the budget for next season could be cut meaning you will get an even lower quality of import and around and around it goes, but also will you keep the likes of Betteridge and Kelsall? No problem with the effort from most of the players. Some played out of their skins but the gulf in quality made it look like a CHL game at times. Brits? Giants Brits compared to ours?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 4, 2022 11:52:28 GMT
Carr is never going to win us games ... in the elite series the standard of player he was facing wasnt the same as this season and he is shown up to how poor he is. He looked good in the Elite Series because we had Bowns and Whistle in goal
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 4, 2022 11:56:24 GMT
My theory is that they were waiting to see if there were going to restrictions/shutdown in January before bringing people in. Now there aparantly aren't, we'll see if someone is brought in soon. My theory is the same except that if there were still bums on seats and wild screams and cheering when the players were introduced no need to bring anyone in. They'll be a breaking point where not enough money if coming in but I suspect we're some way off that figure yet. Also with the sad passing of GM there's a ready made excuse in the pipeline which can feasibly cover some general club shortfall.
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 4, 2022 11:56:31 GMT
Watched the webcast of Panthers v Giants, and thought the pre match opening was so dragged out it seemed to go on forever, and was so boring, great venue with a terrible introduction, that couldn’t excite Mr Happy. Never thought I would ever watch a Panthers team as bad as this one, in 35yrs of watching this game they take the biscuit. A weak Panthers team makes the league weaker also, they should be standard bearers and seem to be going down a very dangerous road,less than 4 000 the other day. The webcast was a total waste of money with only ever one team in it. I really hope something can be done to improve this team, as the fans deserve better, and the league deserve better, there’s not a bigger club in the league than Panthers, they need to start acting like it and stop selling the fans short.
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Post by messier1851 on Jan 4, 2022 11:59:43 GMT
My theory is that they were waiting to see if there were going to restrictions/shutdown in January before bringing people in. Now there aparantly aren't, we'll see if someone is brought in soon. My theory, and I stress it's based on my own wandering thoughts and nothing else, is that NB has always loved the European competitions and long-term would've wanted to see the Panthers play in some sort of pan-European league, a KHL Division 2 if you will and ditch the rink teams. Covid has put paid to any such aspirations in the short to medium term so he'll do the minimum to keep us ticking over.
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Post by iginla on Jan 4, 2022 12:04:32 GMT
Disappointing and I said after the first goal went in it was going to be a long afternoon. My view on the game, after the first period, which was dire, we didnt play that badly and that belfast didnt play that well at times, but they didnt have to because there is a chasm of difference in the skills. It was like, at times, watching football premier team playing against a league 1 team. There was effort from the players, some more than others; Boivin never stopped trying all game but he is 6 inches and 2 stone too small and trying to go against someone like ruopp is never going to come off. Kelsall is the same, needs some size. Carr is never going to win us games, he is either poor or outstanding nothing in between, makes too many errors and a lot of those are silly ones like being out of position. In the 2019-20 season he got away with it as we had Herr at the other end, and in the elite series the standard of player he was facing wasnt the same as this season and he is shown up to how poor he is. The defence doesnt help either how many times when we attack is either Matheson or Doherty behind the opposition net? I think we are a cheap team and it shows and with the crowds getting smaller, the budget for next season could be cut meaning you will get an even lower quality of import and around and around it goes, but also will you keep the likes of Betteridge and Kelsall? No problem with the effort from most of the players. Some played out of their skins but the gulf in quality made it look like a CHL game at times. Brits? Giants Brits compared to ours? These two posts sum it up in a nutshell. The Giants even tempted Boxill back recently for a few games to bolster there Brits whilst three imports were out injured. Wonder if Panthers thought of that one, but somehow I doubt it.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 4, 2022 12:05:11 GMT
Brits? Giants Brits compared to ours? Another area of mismanagement. Our desperate attempts to put the band back together this year, at the expense of a full quota of imports, have been badly exposed with Lee's long term injury.
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Post by iginla on Jan 4, 2022 12:14:55 GMT
My theory is the same except that if there were still bums on seats and wild screams and cheering when the players were introduced no need to bring anyone in. They'll be a breaking point where not enough money if coming in but I suspect we're some way off that figure yet. Also with the sad passing of GM there's a ready made excuse in the pipeline which can feasibly cover some general club shortfall. GM passing is not an excuse Jord,if anything even allowing for the new sales exacutive that’ll have saved some money. Black will still be making good money even on crowds of 4000 but he must be looking over enviously at Tony Smith and thinking just how much is he making on crowds of well over 6000. Imagine 2000 fans per game extra over a full season and it’s all more profit than Black is making. Something will crack and if the Panthers fans keep doing what they’re doing and crowds stay down it’ll be Black that has to crack first.
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Post by DMS on Jan 4, 2022 12:41:35 GMT
. Carr is never going to win us games, he is either poor or outstanding nothing in between, makes too many errors and a lot of those are silly ones like being out of position. In the 2019-20 season he got away with it as we had Herr at the other end, and in the elite series the standard of player he was facing wasnt the same as this season and he is shown up to how poor he is. The defence doesnt help either how many times when we attack is either Matheson or Doherty behind the opposition net? You’re giving Carr too much credit tbh. He didn’t even play in the elite series. Carr is not the quality you need to be winning the league as you say there’s no middle ground and that inconsistency can be seen shift to shift never mind game to game
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 4, 2022 12:50:12 GMT
I do feel somewhat for Carr, of the goals yesterday, only the 5th (or maybe 6th, there were too many!) when a weak spin shot from Lake trickles through, was a particularly weak play from him. Most other goals were to an open man back door, with their 3rd I think, sneaking though a lot of traffic.
It's a similar story most of the season. He has a tendency to let in the odd stinker, but I'd say for every one of those, there are 3 or 4 criminally bad defensive breakdowns, half of which he can't stop.
He could be a league winning goalie if you put a league winning team in front of him. But he's not a goalie who will consistently steal you games when you have a team of misfits out front. Could we do better than him? Sure, but given the shambles in the rest of the lineup, I don't think he's a priority to replace. Very much rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
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