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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 8:26:42 GMT
Does anyone know why the arena staff were taking much longer to allow in season ticket holders? I was stood in express lane, which took twice as long as bag search lanes for same number of people. The staff seemed to be physically having to enter season ticket numbers, yet those with tickets were simply scanned as normal. Their scanners were only working with QR codes and not barcodes. They didn't scan our tickets but I heard another member of staff tell ours to do the QR's.... That makes sense. It was a good job it wasn't a full crowd, otherwise it could have taken for ever.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2021 8:49:26 GMT
Very true ! Those that know understand why. I'll pay for you to go private...
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 21, 2021 9:07:22 GMT
Very true ! Those that know understand why. Genuine Question: would it be better then to not pick at them repeatedly? Give you a chance to let them (and you) at least have some chance to heal? To put the whole Panthers thing behind you and move on if it's as traumatic as you allude to? N.B: this question is asked with genuine well-being concern. Because wanting to destroy that which hurt you generally doesn't go well psychologically for anyone involved.
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Post by Higgy on Oct 21, 2021 9:20:59 GMT
Poor first period
Much better from then on, hard working win,nothing flashy but got the job done.
You'll never get a rip snorting physical hit fest v Flames but it was alright to watch but just took a while to get going.
I assume they count season ticket holders as present even if if aren't there in person (as I know a few weren't last night)
Definitely seen lower crowds midweek before.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 21, 2021 9:30:20 GMT
Very true ! Those that know understand why. Genuine Question: would it be better then to not pick at them repeatedly? Give you a chance to let them (and you) at least have some chance to heal? To put the whole Panthers thing behind you and move on if it's as traumatic as you allude to? N.B: this question is asked with genuine well-being concern. Because wanting to destroy that which hurt you generally doesn't go well psychologically for anyone involved. For some this forum is the outlet. Having been there to a small extent I can understand it.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 21, 2021 9:52:06 GMT
Genuine Question: would it be better then to not pick at them repeatedly? Give you a chance to let them (and you) at least have some chance to heal? To put the whole Panthers thing behind you and move on if it's as traumatic as you allude to? N.B: this question is asked with genuine well-being concern. Because wanting to destroy that which hurt you generally doesn't go well psychologically for anyone involved. For some this forum is the outlet. Having been there to a small extent I can understand it. I can understand that. I've only dealt with NB once personally and I'd count definitely my fingers after shaking his hand now but have managed to separate that from the team themselves, though it's coloured my view. Just because I wouldn't trust the owners or management doesn't mean I can't appreciate what the players and coach accomplish. They are, after all, entirely separate from the behaviours of others involved. I'm just asking because was wondering if the pattern had become destructive. And because it's very hard to now see this forum as an outlet for others as well, for a plurality of voices, especially newbies, or for those who want to post without the agro. But, as always, jmho
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Post by gcmandrake on Oct 21, 2021 10:05:32 GMT
Their scanners were only working with QR codes and not barcodes. They didn't scan our tickets but I heard another member of staff tell ours to do the QR's.... That makes sense. It was a good job it wasn't a full crowd, otherwise it could have taken for ever. I think this feeds into the disparity between the stated attendence and the actual number of people in the arena. Every game this season I've used the entrance near Sneinton Market, and every time I've only had to wave my season ticket in the general direction of the staff there. No scanning, and they weren't scanning the printed game tickets either. Presumably then, the 4,392 figure is the total tickets 'sold' i.e. all season tickets, sponsor tickets, freebies, and purchased game tickets combined, because without scanning they have no way of knowing how many people actually showed up. I can totally buy that of the 4,400 tickets available, at least a quarter didn't bother to show up to a midweek game against "unexciting" opposition, when the weather wasn't great. As for the game itself, I think Guildford are the real deal and will feel hard done by to not come away with at least a point. They played a solid, clean game and were all over us period one and we were lucky to only conceed once. The three-goal blitz put them on the back foot and turned the game on its head, but I still feel over the sixty minutes they played better than us. We sorely missed the stability of Lee at the back, and we're missing an out and out silky-hands goal scorer up front. Still, points are points and a gritty winning result is a winning result.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 21, 2021 10:10:06 GMT
That makes sense. It was a good job it wasn't a full crowd, otherwise it could have taken for ever. I think this feeds into the disparity between the stated attendence and the actual number of people in the arena. Every game this season I've used the entrance near Sneinton Market, and every time I've only had to wave my season ticket in the general direction of the staff there. No scanning, and they weren't scanning the printed game tickets either. Presumably then, the 4,392 figure is the total tickets 'sold' i.e. all season tickets, sponsor tickets, freebies, and purchased game tickets combined, because without scanning they have no way of knowing how many people actually showed up. I can totally buy that of the 4,400 tickets available, at least a quarter didn't bother to show up to a midweek game against "unexciting" opposition, when the weather wasn't great. As for the game itself, I think Guildford are the real deal and will feel hard done by to not come away with at least a point. They played a solid, clean game and were all over us period one and we were lucky to only conceed once. The three-goal blitz put them on the back foot and turned the game on its head, but I still feel over the sixty minutes they played better than us. We sorely missed the stability of Lee at the back, and we're missing an out and out silky-hands goal scorer up front. Still, points are points and a gritty winning result is a winning result. That's a good point about sold versus attended and might very well explain that disparity feeling. Wasn't it half term this week too? Agree that Guilford are looking like a good team this year and with you on the silky hands goalscorer!
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 21, 2021 10:28:30 GMT
For some this forum is the outlet. Having been there to a small extent I can understand it. I can understand that. I've only dealt with NB once personally and I'd count definitely my fingers after shaking his hand now but have managed to separate that from the team themselves, though it's coloured my view. Just because I wouldn't trust the owners or management doesn't mean I can't appreciate what the players and coach accomplish. They are, after all, entirely separate from the behaviours of others involved. I'm just asking because was wondering if the pattern had become destructive. And because it's very hard to now see this forum as an outlet for others as well, for a plurality of voices, especially newbies, or for those who want to post without the agro. But, as always, jmho I'm with you 100%, this is why I often get rather sarcastic with the overly negative on here. I also see their point of view completely though as well, it's very easy to have disdain with the Panthers org. Regarding the forum & newbies... Well this can be a tough crowd no doubt, yes. Personally I would like the game day threads to remain on topic & allow those who want to enjoy the results to have their say without the off topic debbie downers taking over. Perhaps we need an attendances thread for some to revel in.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 21, 2021 10:30:40 GMT
I think this feeds into the disparity between the stated attendence and the actual number of people in the arena. Every game this season I've used the entrance near Sneinton Market, and every time I've only had to wave my season ticket in the general direction of the staff there. No scanning, and they weren't scanning the printed game tickets either. Presumably then, the 4,392 figure is the total tickets 'sold' i.e. all season tickets, sponsor tickets, freebies, and purchased game tickets combined, because without scanning they have no way of knowing how many people actually showed up. I can totally buy that of the 4,400 tickets available, at least a quarter didn't bother to show up to a midweek game against "unexciting" opposition, when the weather wasn't great. As for the game itself, I think Guildford are the real deal and will feel hard done by to not come away with at least a point. They played a solid, clean game and were all over us period one and we were lucky to only conceed once. The three-goal blitz put them on the back foot and turned the game on its head, but I still feel over the sixty minutes they played better than us. We sorely missed the stability of Lee at the back, and we're missing an out and out silky-hands goal scorer up front. Still, points are points and a gritty winning result is a winning result. That's a good point about sold versus attended and might very well explain that disparity feeling. Wasn't it half term this week too? Agree that Guilford are looking like a good team this year and with you on the silky hands goalscorer! It might be hard to find a silky hands goalscorer, when the perception is also that they need to be big and tough power forward as we don't have enough physicality. Out of interest, how much is Valdix playing at the Devils? He's only temp there and it would make sense, if he can take some load off our forwards, that we consider him while Clarke Pizzo is out at least.
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Post by gcmandrake on Oct 21, 2021 10:48:38 GMT
That's a good point about sold versus attended and might very well explain that disparity feeling. Wasn't it half term this week too? Agree that Guilford are looking like a good team this year and with you on the silky hands goalscorer! It might be hard to find a silky hands goalscorer, when the perception is also that they need to be big and tough power forward as we don't have enough physicality. Out of interest, how much is Valdix playing at the Devils? He's only temp there and it would make sense, if he can take some load off our forwards, that we consider him while Clarke Pizzo is out at least. With Finnerty's recent comments that its a "strangely quiet market for players" I don't expect us to be able to suddenly pull a star player out of the bag. But something is missing from the forward lines, and depending on the game and opposition it's either a sniper or a power forward. Something to give the opposing team headaches, and to really up our powerplay. But that's easy for me to say sitting in the stands. "All we need is a league-leading goal scorer". If only it were so simple.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 21, 2021 10:51:02 GMT
It might be hard to find a silky hands goalscorer, when the perception is also that they need to be big and tough power forward as we don't have enough physicality. Out of interest, how much is Valdix playing at the Devils? He's only temp there and it would make sense, if he can take some load off our forwards, that we consider him while Clarke Pizzo is out at least. With Finnerty's recent comments that its a "strangely quiet market for players" I don't expect us to be able to suddenly pull a star player out of the bag. But something is missing from the forward lines, and depending on the game and opposition it's either a sniper or a power forward. Something to give the opposing team headaches, and to really up our powerplay. But that's easy for me to say sitting in the stands. "All we need is a league-leading goal scorer". If only it were so simple. Still think our best bet is to abduct Sam Herr and smuggle him back to Nottingham.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2021 10:56:28 GMT
With Finnerty's recent comments that its a "strangely quiet market for players" I don't expect us to be able to suddenly pull a star player out of the bag. But something is missing from the forward lines, and depending on the game and opposition it's either a sniper or a power forward. Something to give the opposing team headaches, and to really up our powerplay. But that's easy for me to say sitting in the stands. "All we need is a league-leading goal scorer". If only it were so simple. Still think our best bet is to abduct Sam Herr and smuggle him back to Nottingham. That would be fine by me. He's not exactly had a stellar start at Ravensburg so far. 2+1 in 6.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 21, 2021 11:02:39 GMT
Still think our best bet is to abduct Sam Herr and smuggle him back to Nottingham. That would be fine by me. He's not exactly had a stellar start at Ravensburg so far. 2+1 in 6. They should cut their losses and get rid, even if he has an 'A'. Pete Russell, please make sure his flight back to the states is via East Midlands please.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 21, 2021 11:18:01 GMT
With Finnerty's recent comments that its a "strangely quiet market for players" I don't expect us to be able to suddenly pull a star player out of the bag. But something is missing from the forward lines, and depending on the game and opposition it's either a sniper or a power forward. Something to give the opposing team headaches, and to really up our powerplay. But that's easy for me to say sitting in the stands. "All we need is a league-leading goal scorer". If only it were so simple. Still think our best bet is to abduct Sam Herr and smuggle him back to Nottingham. I'm in! Though I think he might twig if he suddenly sees a group of panthers jerseys hanging around after practice 😅
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 21, 2021 11:24:20 GMT
It might be hard to find a silky hands goalscorer, when the perception is also that they need to be big and tough power forward as we don't have enough physicality. Out of interest, how much is Valdix playing at the Devils? He's only temp there and it would make sense, if he can take some load off our forwards, that we consider him while Clarke Pizzo is out at least. With Finnerty's recent comments that its a "strangely quiet market for players" I don't expect us to be able to suddenly pull a star player out of the bag. But something is missing from the forward lines, and depending on the game and opposition it's either a sniper or a power forward. Something to give the opposing team headaches, and to really up our powerplay. But that's easy for me to say sitting in the stands. "All we need is a league-leading goal scorer". If only it were so simple. Yeah, I think a lot of teams have struggled with the market. Good players are at a premium so those paying extra have snaffled a lot of firepower. Personally I think Cardiff should keep Valdix and free up some budget space for later in the season by releasing Brodie Reid to us. It's not like he's doing much for them is it! 😳🤣 #IfOnly
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2021 12:11:50 GMT
Does anyone know why the arena staff were taking much longer to allow in season ticket holders? I was stood in express lane, which took twice as long as bag search lanes for same number of people. The staff seemed to be physically having to enter season ticket numbers, yet those with tickets were simply scanned as normal. The scanner broke when I asked but personally, I don't think they know how to use them as another guy in another line rebooted his and it was working fine again
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2021 12:20:12 GMT
That makes sense. It was a good job it wasn't a full crowd, otherwise it could have taken for ever. I think this feeds into the disparity between the stated attendence and the actual number of people in the arena. Every game this season I've used the entrance near Sneinton Market, and every time I've only had to wave my season ticket in the general direction of the staff there. No scanning, and they weren't scanning the printed game tickets either. Presumably then, the 4,392 figure is the total tickets 'sold' i.e. all season tickets, sponsor tickets, freebies, and purchased game tickets combined, because without scanning they have no way of knowing how many people actually showed up. I can totally buy that of the 4,400 tickets available, at least a quarter didn't bother to show up to a midweek game against "unexciting" opposition, when the weather wasn't great. As for the game itself, I think Guildford are the real deal and will feel hard done by to not come away with at least a point. They played a solid, clean game and were all over us period one and we were lucky to only conceed once. The three-goal blitz put them on the back foot and turned the game on its head, but I still feel over the sixty minutes they played better than us. We sorely missed the stability of Lee at the back, and we're missing an out and out silky-hands goal scorer up front. Still, points are points and a gritty winning result is a winning result. Not implying that the team/team staff have done anything to cause a lowering of attendances. Obviously Covid and fear of Covid will have an effect and after a two-year break away a lot of people will have found better things to do no matter what team or sport. Watching webcasts of other teams in the league some are seeing huge drops in numbers and it will be the same reason. The match night experience is particularly poor so far this season but that's through not bothering to do it properly not anything to do with the team.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 21, 2021 14:07:53 GMT
I think this feeds into the disparity between the stated attendence and the actual number of people in the arena. Every game this season I've used the entrance near Sneinton Market, and every time I've only had to wave my season ticket in the general direction of the staff there. No scanning, and they weren't scanning the printed game tickets either. Presumably then, the 4,392 figure is the total tickets 'sold' i.e. all season tickets, sponsor tickets, freebies, and purchased game tickets combined, because without scanning they have no way of knowing how many people actually showed up. I can totally buy that of the 4,400 tickets available, at least a quarter didn't bother to show up to a midweek game against "unexciting" opposition, when the weather wasn't great. As for the game itself, I think Guildford are the real deal and will feel hard done by to not come away with at least a point. They played a solid, clean game and were all over us period one and we were lucky to only conceed once. The three-goal blitz put them on the back foot and turned the game on its head, but I still feel over the sixty minutes they played better than us. We sorely missed the stability of Lee at the back, and we're missing an out and out silky-hands goal scorer up front. Still, points are points and a gritty winning result is a winning result. Not implying that the team/team staff have done anything to cause a lowering of attendances. Obviously Covid and fear of Covid will have an effect and after a two-year break away a lot of people will have found better things to do no matter what team or sport. Watching webcasts of other teams in the league some are seeing huge drops in numbers and it will be the same reason. The match night experience is particularly poor so far this season but that's through not bothering to do it properly not anything to do with the team. I think with a good piece in the final import to complete the roster, we could have a very good team. I worry it's still a step behind Sheffield and Belfast on paper, but games aren't played on paper. I don't think you can pin blame on Gui, Tim or the team for any drop in attendance. They could potentially improve the situation if they do well and keep Panthers in contention, but this isn't a bad team who will bore the fans into staying away.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Oct 21, 2021 14:26:32 GMT
Felt like a tough game against a team that will grind out wins. Having two players out injured was going to cause issues, but they got the job done. We are missing a physical player who will check, instead of pushing the approaching forward to the outside puts them on their @r5e. Doherty is big but not physical, not in a Lepine way and coming against teams that will do that is going to lead to injuries, not necessary serious ones but being hit time after time will take its toll.
My view on the crowd last night, looking round there was a lot of empty seats, where I sit all them people who normally sit around me werent there.
In the end, we got the win, two points in the league and a nothing to play for game on saturday.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2021 15:28:22 GMT
Not implying that the team/team staff have done anything to cause a lowering of attendances. Obviously Covid and fear of Covid will have an effect and after a two-year break away a lot of people will have found better things to do no matter what team or sport. Watching webcasts of other teams in the league some are seeing huge drops in numbers and it will be the same reason. The match night experience is particularly poor so far this season but that's through not bothering to do it properly not anything to do with the team. I think with a good piece in the final import to complete the roster, we could have a very good team. I worry it's still a step behind Sheffield and Belfast on paper, but games aren't played on paper. I don't think you can pin blame on Gui, Tim or the team for any drop in attendance. They could potentially improve the situation if they do well and keep Panthers in contention, but this isn't a bad team who will bore the fans into staying away. A final import would be good if we are looking for one but Wallace has them playing as a team and there is a great team spirit. I think we will get better as the weeks go on as well.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2021 15:29:04 GMT
Felt like a tough game against a team that will grind out wins. Having two players out injured was going to cause issues, but they got the job done. We are missing a physical player who will check, instead of pushing the approaching forward to the outside puts them on their @r5e. Doherty is big but not physical, not in a Lepine way and coming against teams that will do that is going to lead to injuries, not necessary serious ones but being hit time after time will take its toll. My view on the crowd last night, looking round there was a lot of empty seats, where I sit all them people who normally sit around me werent there. In the end, we got the win, two points in the league and a nothing to play for game on saturday. A nothing game but winning is a habit.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 21, 2021 16:17:55 GMT
Steelers won't be coming down the M1 thinking it's nothing. They might not care as much as if it was a league game, but I will never believe the Steelers come thinking Panthers vs Steelers is a nothing game. The effort levels and dirty plays in the Aladdin cup game made that abundantly clear.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2021 16:27:43 GMT
Steelers won't be coming down the M1 thinking it's nothing. They might not care as much as if it was a league game, but I will never believe the Steelers come thinking Panthers vs Steelers is a nothing game. The effort levels and dirty plays in the Aladdin cup game made that abundantly clear. I wouldn’t believe any professional sportsman would. Winning is all that matters.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 21, 2021 17:10:04 GMT
Steelers won't be coming down the M1 thinking it's nothing. They might not care as much as if it was a league game, but I will never believe the Steelers come thinking Panthers vs Steelers is a nothing game. The effort levels and dirty plays in the Aladdin cup game made that abundantly clear. I wouldn’t believe any professional sportsman would. What about EIHL players? Sorry, couldn't resist.
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