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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 3, 2021 1:33:18 GMT
Some clearly think it is worth it though, or no-one would buy it and it'd quickly become a thing of the past. Get a couple of mates round, chip in a fiver each, you can all watch it etc? It'd be interesting to see the economics of webcasting games. I guess if you're videoing the game as a club anyway, with commentators in real time (as Panthers and most other teams do), can't you just webcast the live feed? Thus marginal cost of webcasting is effectively zero (or pretty close to) and any revenue you make is profit? Am I missing something? Yes no problem at all with £15. It’s still light years behind Sheffield’s but at least we have one now so no problem at all.
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Post by nightwish on Oct 3, 2021 6:50:07 GMT
Panthers crashing at home, some dodgy officiating, peeps wanting a a roster on a par with Giants, Steelers , Devils - it’s like the last 18 months nothing has changed or am I just imaging it …….
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Post by iginla on Oct 3, 2021 7:57:16 GMT
Panthers crashing at home, some dodgy officiating, peeps wanting a a roster on a par with Giants, Steelers , Devils - it’s like the last 18 months nothing has changed or am I just imaging it ……. Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years !
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Post by bobness on Oct 3, 2021 10:37:07 GMT
Panthers crashing at home, some dodgy officiating, peeps wanting a a roster on a par with Giants, Steelers , Devils - it’s like the last 18 months nothing has changed or am I just imaging it ……. Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years ! The performance, or the Cage’s reaction to it?
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Post by PantherG on Oct 3, 2021 10:57:37 GMT
Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years ! The performance, or the Cage’s reaction to it? To be honest the reaction here is pretty mute, I think people kinda expected it when they saw our roster compared to Sheffield and Belfasts. No big surprises, we are still seeking a 13th import and already have one injured. I think there is a feeling of inevitability and despite people thinking this roster will spring to life soon, I just don’t see it. We look poor up front with some defensive lapses at the back and Carr is not a championship winning netminder. At the moment we have a mediocre team that will be fighting for a mid table position. Also our chances to make changes are limited due to the restrictions on how many changes you can make..
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Post by iginla on Oct 3, 2021 11:05:12 GMT
Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years ! The performance, or the Cage’s reaction to it? The look of quality about the different rosters. Apart from Herr who exceeded expectations who was the last real quality looking forward Panthers signed who actually turned up and did the job expected of him. Look at this year,the two you would look at to be anything like game changers would be Welsh and Souranta. Have either of them actually arrived in Nottingham yet ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:09:18 GMT
Panthers crashing at home, some dodgy officiating, peeps wanting a a roster on a par with Giants, Steelers , Devils - it’s like the last 18 months nothing has changed or am I just imaging it ……. That's correct.. when are we due lockdown 4?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:12:10 GMT
It's times like this in glad I don't wee wee my money up the wall watching it. Surely it can't be much fun watching a losing team?
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Post by bobness on Oct 3, 2021 12:18:44 GMT
Glory boy supporter, eh?
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Post by cooperphil156 on Oct 3, 2021 13:00:09 GMT
Panthers crashing at home, some dodgy officiating, peeps wanting a a roster on a par with Giants, Steelers , Devils - it’s like the last 18 months nothing has changed or am I just imaging it ……. Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years ! Apart from the roster for the treble - which we never built on - just let the money roll in from sponsorships
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 3, 2021 13:06:13 GMT
Never mind the last 18 months,it’s like the last 18 years ! Apart from the roster for the treble - which we never built on - just let the money roll in from sponsorships And wage caps
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 13:27:48 GMT
I've seen shocking times when the team hardly string together any wins all year but that was when panthers were up against it due to the small income they used to have so I kind of accepted it...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 13:47:08 GMT
It's times like this in glad I don't wee wee my money up the wall watching it. Surely it can't be much fun watching a losing team? So let me get this straight, you spend the entire pandemic and off-season scrutinising every single signing that is made on the league. Make wild and bold claims over who will be gone by Xmas, who's useless and could predict the league table without a puck ever dropping you're just that intelligent. Yet after 18 months of not getting to go to a Hockey game you have no time to for going to watch any EIHL Hockey? Is that right? If so, may I ask what on earth you are doing on this forum and what do you get out of it? The trolling aspect to your posts gratifying some shortcoming elsewhere perhaps? Genuinely interested in the psychology here, because it's clear you aren't a Hockey fan in the traditional sense of the word.
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Post by bobness on Oct 5, 2021 11:51:41 GMT
Have to say, I'm struggling to see a roughing penalty for Kelsall on the highlights.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 5, 2021 12:49:25 GMT
Have to say, I'm struggling to see a roughing penalty for Kelsall on the highlights. I mean he violently assaulted Thompson's fist with his face. 🤣
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Post by messier1851 on Oct 5, 2021 21:10:29 GMT
Some clearly think it is worth it though, or no-one would buy it and it'd quickly become a thing of the past. Get a couple of mates round, chip in a fiver each, you can all watch it etc? It'd be interesting to see the economics of webcasting games. I guess if you're videoing the game as a club anyway, with commentators in real time (as Panthers and most other teams do), can't you just webcast the live feed? Thus marginal cost of webcasting is effectively zero (or pretty close to) and any revenue you make is profit? Am I missing something? Yes you can. The costs come in the initial investment of equipment and paying people to operate them. a camera capable of filming and broadcasting a game of hockey is going to cost £2,000 minimum. If you factor that 4 cameras make a decent webcast then that’s £8,000 to start with. A professional camera operator will also want paying. The cost of the equipment to produce and broadcast a web feed can vary, but you’re looking at a minimum of £10,000 for something half decent that will allow a 4 camera feed, commentary, replays and ambient audio. As with anything, it’s not as simple as setting up a camera and there you go, there’s a lot of cost, especially initial investment in the correct equipment, that needs to be done first. While I personally feel £15 is too much, I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the break even price is around £10-£12 per view, per webcast. How are the highlights put together, just out of interest?
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Post by wgray on Oct 6, 2021 10:19:55 GMT
Yes you can. The costs come in the initial investment of equipment and paying people to operate them. a camera capable of filming and broadcasting a game of hockey is going to cost £2,000 minimum. If you factor that 4 cameras make a decent webcast then that’s £8,000 to start with. A professional camera operator will also want paying. The cost of the equipment to produce and broadcast a web feed can vary, but you’re looking at a minimum of £10,000 for something half decent that will allow a 4 camera feed, commentary, replays and ambient audio. As with anything, it’s not as simple as setting up a camera and there you go, there’s a lot of cost, especially initial investment in the correct equipment, that needs to be done first. While I personally feel £15 is too much, I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the break even price is around £10-£12 per view, per webcast. How are the highlights put together, just out of interest? I was thinking the same things as I was watching the highlights this week. I know we lost this game, so I don’t plan on re-watching them, but I thought there were a lot of plays/goals hat had been cut short in the highlights. It would be nice to at least see the full play on the goals for both teams.
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Post by bobness on Oct 6, 2021 10:38:13 GMT
How are the highlights put together, just out of interest? I was thinking the same things as I was watching the highlights this week. I know we lost this game, so I don’t plan on re-watching them, but I thought there were a lot of plays/goals hat had been cut short in the highlights. It would be nice to at least see the full play on the goals for both teams. That does seem to one comment you can easily make. The highlights are almost exactly that; tightly cut goals, incidents and plays, often with no hint of build up or afters. A few times I've thought "That would have been very nice if we'd have been able to see 5 seconds before and 2 seconds after".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 9:57:02 GMT
Yes you can. The costs come in the initial investment of equipment and paying people to operate them. a camera capable of filming and broadcasting a game of hockey is going to cost £2,000 minimum. If you factor that 4 cameras make a decent webcast then that’s £8,000 to start with. A professional camera operator will also want paying. The cost of the equipment to produce and broadcast a web feed can vary, but you’re looking at a minimum of £10,000 for something half decent that will allow a 4 camera feed, commentary, replays and ambient audio. As with anything, it’s not as simple as setting up a camera and there you go, there’s a lot of cost, especially initial investment in the correct equipment, that needs to be done first. While I personally feel £15 is too much, I’d wouldn’t be surprised if the break even price is around £10-£12 per view, per webcast. How are the highlights put together, just out of interest? Sorry, missed this. The quick answer is I don't know. There are a few ways of doing it. The easiest way is cutting the recorded feed of the entire game. Another way is recording the game on each individual camera used. That will take longer to pull together but will usually produce a better quality highlights package.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 14, 2021 12:00:08 GMT
How are the highlights put together, just out of interest? Sorry, missed this. The quick answer is I don't know. There are a few ways of doing it. The easiest way is cutting the recorded feed of the entire game. Another way is recording the game on each individual camera used. That will take longer to pull together but will usually produce a better quality highlights package. As a video editor myself taking highlights from the entire game feed would be easy enough and there would be very minimal degradation for YouTube footage. If the editor was actually there watching the game and making mental notes then a decent highlight footage wouldn't take any more than three hours including formatting and upload. It's just basic editing #101 with a bit of correction between cameras in the footage itself. It's the daft little things like this that let UK hockey down time and time again. All it takes is a bit of effort and someone who knows what they are doing. Most simple thing that needs sorting is the white balance between cameras. The Coventry vs Manchester webcast was terrible. White balance is the absolute basics and if you can't do that just put the camera down and leave it.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 14, 2021 12:03:23 GMT
How are the highlights put together, just out of interest? Sorry, missed this. The quick answer is I don't know. There are a few ways of doing it. The easiest way is cutting the recorded feed of the entire game. Another way is recording the game on each individual camera used. That will take longer to pull together but will usually produce a better quality highlights package. The "easy way" might explain the weird cut in footage during the Tousignant vs Fawcett kerfuffle. There is a transition animation, but it ends up back on the same camera 1 second later. If that transition scene was put in live, then using the recorded feed would have to leave that in.
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