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Post by fishman on Nov 9, 2020 14:00:16 GMT
On a day when vaccines are all being talked about, I thought we could go with a thread about the formats, I been watching IPL cricket and league, "The concept of playoffs brought an extra game before the final. This meant that 3 games would be played before the finalists are decided. First, a semifinal game would be played between the number 1 and number 2 teams. The winner of the two games would go straight into the IPL final. The loser though would not be out of contention Next an eliminator game would be played between the number 3 and number 4 teams. The loser will get knocked out of the tournament. The winner would go on to play in the second qualifier against the losing team of the first qualifier. Now the winner of this game would qualify for the final.
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Post by spik on Nov 9, 2020 19:33:33 GMT
That's similar to the Australian Rules footy format that I have always liked. From a qualifying eight teams in the league. The top four play each other and the bottom four play against each other in a one off game but it could be aggregate. The loses of the bottom group (5th to 8th) go out and the winners play the losers of the top group of games (1st to 4th.) The winners of the top group (1-4) went on to the 3rd round whereas the losers played the bottom group winners (ie, losers of top 4 v winners of bottom 4) to see who challenged the top set winners from the first round (in a semi final) before a championship Final.  |
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Post by spik on Nov 9, 2020 19:57:49 GMT
Looking at the league formats here in hockey history. Early doors Scottish teams played against each other to then finish with a league that separated into two groups for a final bash. Then they would call this a 'points' competition before the actual league play in later years. Post war the Scots initiated a play offs whereas the top four played a semi then final aggregate series to determine the winner. Otherwise from 'two' leagues the top two of each played out this semi and final format for the league championship. In the bleak 60's the Scottish - come - Northern League continued with play-offs for a final league/cup winner but also played a separate play-offs called the Icy-Smith play offs , later to be classified as per our national Play-offs, in that it was recognised as the British Play Off Championship. AS the Northern league continued with this format the 1970's brought a 'Southern Ice Hockey Association' with both South and Midland groups that did the same against each other for a winner. As league's had their own play-offs at the end of the league season, some may remember the Inter-City play-off final when Nottingham had started, the new English league in 1982 (as the smaller regional leagues continued a while) put paid to this with just a basic league before the 1983 Heineken British scene came about with grand sponsorship. A tri league schedule, interlinked (confusingly) before the main bulk of seasons followed and were played out as straight leagues, as to this day with Super and Elite era's, only qualification to the play-offs being altered at times. 3 points for a win for one season or overtime being brought in and import/brit qualifications changed as things went along. I'm putting all this together in a book for print at the moment and it will be available for anyone who's interested in our history. That's every league, Cup and Play-Off competition from day one. well, 1897 I think it all started with a league first making an appearance in 1904. Just about when I was born.  |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 10, 2020 8:20:56 GMT
I like the way the National League (football) do it. P1 gets auto promotion, p2&3 get byes to sf, p4-7 play a qf.
Obviously without a promotion in place this would need tweaking for EIHL
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Post by Discoray on Nov 10, 2020 19:15:41 GMT
Based on comments made in the press yesterday, looks like the length of "format changes" the EIHL will make is bringing back the conference system. Wow, how original!  |
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Post by spik on Nov 10, 2020 20:15:44 GMT
Based on comments made in the press yesterday, looks like the length of "format changes" the EIHL will make is bringing back the conference system. Wow, how original! and going backwards. Which press, I'd like to see this for myself? |
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Post by Discoray on Nov 12, 2020 10:01:22 GMT
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Post by iginla on Nov 12, 2020 18:00:31 GMT
So basically,that sounds like you’re getting the conferences back and also a reduction in imports together with a reduction in spending and a lesser quality of hockey. Sounds like great news....Not ! 🙄 |
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Post by spik on Nov 12, 2020 19:06:22 GMT
So basically,that sounds like you’re getting the conferences back and also a reduction in imports together with a reduction in spending and a lesser quality of hockey. Sounds like great news....Not ! 🙄 It was said that 'Nothing ever changes in hockey....' but it looks like it's ever changing to me. Conferences for starters won't bring me back as a paying customer. I forget though what had them remove the conference system, can someone remind me? Ice hockey ( I know it's not fully professional and a minor sport here) always shoots itself in the foot. We've gone through leaner times as seen by the changing formats over the years, especially the 60's when it struggled. We need to stop swapping and changing around formats and stick to a good traditional one. Like one for the league but with a better play-Offs. Thank goodness they don't think to do anything other than the three main events. Yet like the Magic tournament it just shows that , at a whim they may do so and possibly at any time if money is waved in front of them. As per another thread elsewhere about uprising boards and committees (an overthrow of the Elite?) its no use fans can't rely on existing members who tell us how rosey everything is at the top. |
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 12, 2020 19:25:44 GMT
First of all that’s one clubs opinion which is 1/10th of the league,at the moment no one is saying what the import levels will be, there was supposed to be 1 less being talked about before the pandemic anyway. Getting the conferences back as opposed to Jack all is a godsend, no one can comment on budgets as no armchair owners know Zilch . As for getting off on a lesser quality of hockey, and comments like great news, get a grip, and try growing up. Commenting that your getting, and not we are getting, sums up how sad some people really are. Normal people can’t wait for some normality to return so they can watch their favourite sport, and they certainly don’t need infantile so called grown ups belittling what people are trying to achieve, good people with good intentions, not sad one directional dicks.
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Post by spik on Nov 13, 2020 0:29:40 GMT
First of all that’s one clubs opinion which is 1/10th of the league,at the moment no one is saying what the import levels will be, there was supposed to be 1 less being talked about before the pandemic anyway. Getting the conferences back as opposed to Jack all is a godsend, no one can comment on budgets as no armchair owners know Zilch . As for getting off on a lesser quality of hockey, and comments like great news, get a grip, and try growing up. Commenting that your getting, and not we are getting, sums up how sad some people really are. Normal people can’t wait for some normality to return so they can watch their favourite sport, and they certainly don’t need infantile so called grown ups belittling what people are trying to achieve, good people with good intentions, not sad one directional dicks. However, I fear it’s not just one teams great idea to bring back the conferences. But we are aware of your understanding of ‘armchair owners’ , ‘normal people’ , ‘infantile’ , ‘one directional dicks’ to prove a point that your viewpoint is totally correct. When others are making equal comment on the subject without such abuse. That they don’t like the idea of this possible choice. |
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Post by Discoray on Nov 13, 2020 3:00:04 GMT
First of all that’s one clubs opinion which is 1/10th of the league I would say it's at least 2/5ths of the league opinion, since the Clan & Panthers "view" on things will always be aligned while they have the same owner. I forget though what had them remove the conference system, can someone remind me? League couldn't make it work/balance tenably after the loss of Edinburgh, and it wouldn't shock me if they invited them and Hull back in this new "lower budget" EIHL. |
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