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Post by spik on Mar 15, 2020 16:15:11 GMT
Question for the historians, has there ever been a season interrupted and never finished before. I'm guessing 1939 never really got started. Has there ever been a season that started a significant number of games but never finished? 1929-30 In 1903-04 the first real league was being played. With five teams. The first ever try out of playing games after this seems to be 29-30 and because the GB/BIHA/English side were always on tour or playing challenge games, complaints were made that this interrupted the ability to play. After a late season (British attempt ) in early 1930, a two division English league was started two years later. Glasgow's Crosssmyloof had a 10 team system league which did commence in 1929. This dropped to six teams after five years. At a BIHA meeting in October 1930 the intention to '..carry through the Southern league programme including senior and junior divisions...' This did not happen although six new rinks were commencing play. Purley, Queens and Streatham in London plus Bournemouth, Grimsby and Oxford all opened doors. The London Lions (a Canadian team) netminder stated that ' there was far too many international matches and the league programme had not started. In the 1960's when very keen enthusiasts were still playing (after the fall of the British League by 1959/60) a league I recall sponsored I think by Coke Cola is found as half completed from the literal works penned at that time. Probably the Herald magazine. To be honest most leagues in that era looked unfinished even if they were not (inter-linked with other games/schedules?) comments under the said leagues stated incomplete on some. I am not aware of anything else , so this season stands alone I feel. Note: quotes of the early 29-30 period found in the recent 'Lion in Winter' publication about GB's national hockey experiances.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 16, 2020 1:12:33 GMT
In 1903-04 the first real league was being played. With five teams. The first ever try out of playing games after this seems to be 29-30 and because the GB/BIHA/English side were always on tour or playing challenge games, complaints were made that this interrupted the ability to play. After a late season (British attempt ) in early 1930, a two division English league was started two years later. Glasgow's Crosssmyloof had a 10 team system league which did commence in 1929. This dropped to six teams after five years. At a BIHA meeting in October 1930 the intention to '..carry through the Southern league programme including senior and junior divisions...' This did not happen although six new rinks were commencing play. Purley, Queens and Streatham in London plus Bournemouth, Grimsby and Oxford all opened doors. The London Lions (a Canadian team) netminder stated that ' there was far too many international matches and the league programme had not started. In the 1960's when very keen enthusiasts were still playing (after the fall of the British League by 1959/60) a league I recall sponsored I think by Coke Cola is found as half completed from the literal works penned at that time. Probably the Herald magazine. To be honest most leagues in that era looked unfinished even if they were not (inter-linked with other games/schedules?) comments under the said leagues stated incomplete on some. I am not aware of anything else , so this season stands alone I feel. Note: quotes of the early 29-30 period found in the recent 'Lion in Winter' publication about GB's national hockey experiances. Can always trust our resident historian to deliver!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 4:40:04 GMT
Strong rumour here that the Canadian border is going to be closed tomorrow or Tuesday which will impact players getting home.
Final straw appears to have been an airport security employee at Toronto has tested positive.
Justin Trudeau to make a speech tomorrow.
Hope all players in the league and families can get home and stay safe, same goes for everybody on here.
I'm fortunate in that I can work from home and ride it out but for those who don't have that luxury, it's going to be a tough few weeks/months.
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Post by ggggranville on Mar 17, 2020 8:44:07 GMT
Coronavirus itself won't see events like this cancelled, but a lack of common sense in dealing with it thanks to the media hysteria over it probably will. Boom!! Post of the day Really!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 8:57:21 GMT
At the time it was.. look now the British public are completely out of control stock piling everything in sight! Why They will bring the country to its knees not a contagious virus! Theres a distinct lack of common sense here. The worst thing the government can say is ADVISE to not go to public gatherings and social distancing, they should instruct them. The British public will ultimately do what they want.. always have always will!
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Post by spik on Mar 17, 2020 15:06:47 GMT
At the time it was.. look now the British public are completely out of control stock piling everything in sight! Why They will bring the country to its knees not a contagious virus! Theres a distinct lack of common sense here. The worst thing the government can say is ADVISE to not go to public gatherings and social distancing, they should instruct them. The British public will ultimately do what they want.. always have always will! However, I've been to hospital today. On the way via tram, in Nottingham shopping (clothes) after and trip home, hardly anyone about. So people have decided to stay home it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 16:11:27 GMT
At the time it was.. look now the British public are completely out of control stock piling everything in sight! Why They will bring the country to its knees not a contagious virus! Theres a distinct lack of common sense here. The worst thing the government can say is ADVISE to not go to public gatherings and social distancing, they should instruct them. The British public will ultimately do what they want.. always have always will! However, I've been to hospital today. On the way via tram, in Nottingham shopping (clothes) after and trip home, hardly anyone about. So people have decided to stay home it seems. Theyve still managed to get out and trash the asda near my house which I've just returned from!
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Post by Yotes on Mar 17, 2020 20:54:13 GMT
NIC closed today, until at least the end of April.
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Post by EMB on Mar 17, 2020 21:01:30 GMT
NIC closed today, until at least the end of April. My daughter has just had a long email from the arena as she works in box office office casual, closed until 30th April no events or lessons or training of any sort. People being encouraged to use the email service as staff are being scaled down but there will still be staff there to complete all the refunding etc.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Mar 17, 2020 21:21:56 GMT
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Post by Discoray on Mar 17, 2020 21:34:02 GMT
I really do hope this was a genuine and collective decision, it's just so very hard to think it with the Chairman’s own team just so happening to be a point behind in 2nd. 90% of all the games have been played, don’t see why standings can’t just be finalised as is? Just another reason why we need an outside 3rd party giving the final say-so on league matters.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 17, 2020 21:40:03 GMT
The right call for me, you can't have a probable league champ. Interesting to see what he thinks he's going to do with the playoffs though, clearly don't want to hand that cash back
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Post by spik on Mar 17, 2020 21:45:49 GMT
Would have preferred final games played and league finished rather than play-offs. Cardiff would have done it. It's still the same scenario with the play-offs anyway. Who qualifies?
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 17, 2020 22:00:37 GMT
It was an idea originally posted by Jono Bullard but reportedly the EIHL are considering a 'magic weekend' style event at the start if the season.
For what it's worth I think no champion is correct. This isn't a situation like Liverpool where they are miles ahead. If Devils were awarded the title it would deserve an asterisk because they didn't actually win it and were not certain to. I do think it should count towards CHL qualification though that they were leaders of the regular season.
EDIT: Meant to include the following tweets:
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Post by iginla on Mar 17, 2020 23:24:16 GMT
“Costs offset by players leaving” Think that confirms players contracts weren’t paid in full up until the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 0:09:12 GMT
I'll be amazed if Hockey resumes in August/September tbh.
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Post by wolfmac on Mar 18, 2020 10:00:30 GMT
Given that we don’t have China’s collectivised infrastructure or preparational headstart from SARS, I think we can assume we will be a lot slower and definitely different in our approach to this. Could be a full year before society returns to an even slightly normal level of functionality, based on the most recent advice from Imperial College, which suggests the best method is intermittent periods of quarantine over 18 months to taper cases off. That does not lend itself to a punctual 2020/21 season.
I’m really sad to say I think we need to start looking bigger picture. This may be more of an epoch-defining crisis than a generational one, and it could be that hockey - a lot of the things we’ve enjoyed up to now - will start looking very quaint soon.
Stay inside and try not to act on panic. No point in trying to take stock of the new world before we even know when we’re arriving in it.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 18, 2020 17:48:16 GMT
I hope the humble pie tastes good for those who ate it in this thread. Schools next to close.
Just a common cold though, honest.
I'm annoyed by the sheer ignorance of many.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Mar 18, 2020 18:49:41 GMT
I hope the humble pie tastes good for those who ate it in this thread. Schools next to close. Just a common cold though, honest. I'm annoyed by the sheer ignorance of many. You want to see the video of a week ago and today featuring Fox News hosts. This is put together by the Washington Post.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 18, 2020 20:26:49 GMT
I hope the humble pie tastes good for those who ate it in this thread. Schools next to close. Just a common cold though, honest. I'm annoyed by the sheer ignorance of many. You want to see the video of a week ago and today featuring Fox News hosts. This is put together by the Washington Post. I've seen it, shameful.
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Post by spik on Mar 18, 2020 21:00:18 GMT
Not really understood what this lame Magic 5 is bar being 5 games played over two days. There won't be a Play Off winner so this is just a filler to paper over the crack?
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Post by spik on Mar 18, 2020 21:05:59 GMT
It was an idea originally posted by Jono Bullard but reportedly the EIHL are considering a 'magic weekend' style event at the start if the season. For what it's worth I think no champion is correct. This isn't a situation like Liverpool where they are miles ahead. If Devils were awarded the title it would deserve an asterisk because they didn't actually win it and were not certain to. I do think it should count towards CHL qualification though that they were leaders of the regular season. EDIT: Meant to include the following tweets: How can you say Cardiff can't be champions , which I agree with, then say ' as leaders' they should count for the CHL? Similar argument surely that the league was not complete and we don't know where teams would have finished. Notice Cardiff and Sheffield are definitely chosen as representatives for the two Euro events though.
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Post by iginla on Mar 18, 2020 21:18:14 GMT
Not really understood what this lame Magic 5 is bar being 5 games played over two days. There won't be a Play Off winner so this is just a filler to paper over the crack? It’s supposedly an extra league game,one of five played over a weekend in Nottingham with league points at stake. What’s the betting one of the games is yet another Panthers v Steelers game. 🙄 And guessing the other four will probably be the usual match up’s....Devils/Blaze,Flames/Storm,Clan/Giants,Flyers/Stars. Oh and it will possibly mean you play one team in the league once more than everybody else does. Sounds like an excuse for the EIHL to keep your POFW money in the bank for six months to me !
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 18, 2020 23:05:17 GMT
Im not against the magic weekend idea. Im happy to keep my play off tickets and attend. I think we'll all be in need of a blow out by then. The circumstances for the change mean I'm more supportive of it at that price than I might otherwise be.
I did have a different view which I thought could possibly be better. Largely because there would be a trophy at the end of it but also because it adds some other options the league could look to take forwars into future seasons. It could be used as a good yard stick.
That suggestion is that it becomes Challenge cup weekend. An Idea ive long thought would be a better idea in the bigger picture. All group games played during September with no league games played during this time. Ifeally the weekend would be a week or 2 later than it currently is. Then the weekend follows the same format as the current play offs. For the 2020/21 season the POFW renains in April.
Then from 2021/2022 the CC weekend in September is the only league event weekend. End of season play offs then become the long desired series format.
EIHL coffers filled! Party weekend for the fans in likely reasonable weather. League profile raised with a propper play offs. Players engage with it better too.
Of course Ice time will always be the big arguement against, but im fairly confident thats more of an excuse to keep the money making April Party going.
A real opportunity to test the waters.
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Post by iginla on Mar 19, 2020 0:31:56 GMT
Im not against the magic weekend idea. Im happy to keep my play off tickets and attend. I think we'll all be in need of a blow out by then. The circumstances for the change mean I'm more supportive of it at that price than I might otherwise be. I did have a different view which I thought could possibly be better. Largely because there would be a trophy at the end of it but also because it adds some other options the league could look to take forwars into future seasons. It could be used as a good yard stick. That suggestion is that it becomes Challenge cup weekend. An Idea ive long thought would be a better idea in the bigger picture. All group games played during September with no league games played during this time. Ifeally the weekend would be a week or 2 later than it currently is. Then the weekend follows the same format as the current play offs. For the 2020/21 season the POFW renains in April. Then from 2021/2022 the CC weekend in September is the only league event weekend. End of season play offs then become the long desired series format. EIHL coffers filled! Party weekend for the fans in likely reasonable weather. League profile raised with a propper play offs. Players engage with it better too. Of course Ice time will always be the big arguement against, but im fairly confident thats more of an excuse to keep the money making April Party going. A real opportunity to test the waters. That won’t work. Challenge cup games aren’t generally well attended and with the current virus situation,by September a lot of people are likely going to be even shorter of money than usual which could mean the cup crowds are even worse than normal. The teams won’t like poor crowds to start the season,they like cash in early.
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