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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 5, 2019 23:10:28 GMT
I have, Blacks not getting a penny more out of me.... not stepped foot in the place since the play off weekend... wonder where Farmer and Lee’s money has gone? whistle will be on a lot. Will he? He was unceremoniously dumped by the Steelers, I think he'd have taken a pay cut to join Nottingham.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 23:13:45 GMT
You couldn't give a crap and like to keep upto date is a contradiction 😂 Not a contradiction at all Pidge. Not bothered about the team in the slightest,keeping up to date of the latest episode of Groundhog Day for my own amusement is totally different to keeping up to date because you care....and i don’t care anymore. As some of the others have said,until people start voting with their feet and wallet you’re just going to keep getting the same old same old Panthers. How many years does the same thing have to go on happening before the penny finally drops. It won’t be long before a bit of extra money gets spent on a player who comes in as a supposed saviour,turns out to be another dud and the league season peters out into oblivion again. The thing i always find baffling is why wasn’t that player money available in the first place back in July or August ! I know it will never change not until a owner with hockey knowledge and he who wants his team to be the best comes and buys the team off black! This isnt any fault of Wallace hes been given a inadequate budget he was up against it from the off!
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Post by iginla on Oct 5, 2019 23:16:18 GMT
I’m not,i couldn’t give a crap. But i do still like to keep up to date to see how my pre season predictions are faring. Pretty much spot on I’d say....the D apart from Lepine is ok,the forwards still seriously lack quality,they’re short of goals,Carr is decidedly average at best and Jakobs and Malmquist are both producing naff all. 🤣 its funny you say that because lepine hasn’t been bad recently. Much better than last season. But if people were putting a roster together now with the benefit of hindsight,I bet not many would still have Lepine in their roster. If they were putting this year’s team together again today,I’d hazard a guess the only import players most people would keep from this years team would be Herr,Deutsch,Connolly, Matheson and maybe DeSantis.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 5, 2019 23:18:51 GMT
its funny you say that because lepine hasn’t been bad recently. Much better than last season. But if people were putting a roster together now with the benefit of hindsight,I bet not many would still have Lepine in their roster. If they were putting this year’s team together again today,I’d hazard a guess the only import players most people would keep from this years team would be Herr,Deutsch,Connolly, Matheson and maybe DeSantis. I said before the season started that I liked all the signings individually, but I didn't think there was enough quality as a team. Obviously a few have performed below expectations thus far, but I think that still holds true. We're short if goals and a 1st line.
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Post by iginla on Oct 5, 2019 23:21:25 GMT
Not a contradiction at all Pidge. Not bothered about the team in the slightest,keeping up to date of the latest episode of Groundhog Day for my own amusement is totally different to keeping up to date because you care....and i don’t care anymore. As some of the others have said,until people start voting with their feet and wallet you’re just going to keep getting the same old same old Panthers. How many years does the same thing have to go on happening before the penny finally drops. It won’t be long before a bit of extra money gets spent on a player who comes in as a supposed saviour,turns out to be another dud and the league season peters out into oblivion again. The thing i always find baffling is why wasn’t that player money available in the first place back in July or August ! I know it will never change not until a owner with hockey knowledge and he who wants his team to be the best comes and buys the team off black! This isnt any fault of Wallace hes been given a inadequate budget he was up against it from the off! Agreed. Bet ya round about now Wallace and Doucet are thinking to themselves....jeez this Panthers job ain’t as good or as easy as i thought it would be ! Lol 😆
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 5, 2019 23:34:46 GMT
whistle will be on a lot. Will he? He was unceremoniously dumped by the Steelers, I think he'd have taken a pay cut to join Nottingham. Not quite true. He was offered a pay cut in Sheffield to be our No.2. He declined that offer and decided to join you guys. Guessing he's on more than we were offering but not the level he was on last season.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 5, 2019 23:35:05 GMT
Wallace holds no blame for what happens on the ice? Or the recruitment, along with Doucet? The budget might be from whatever Tightwad finds down the back of the sofa, but those two spent it.
Steelers were missing 3 defencemen today (apparently) - we manage 1 goal? Come on. They better win tomorrow.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 5, 2019 23:41:10 GMT
As for the game tonight. I thought you were 2nd best for large parts of that game. The squad you have this year reminds me very much of our squad from last year. Plenty of effort and endeavour just a lack of quality in the key areas.
Not sure I understand why your team this year seems to be at a cost level much lower than us, Belfast and Cardiff. I know you have the new screen (impressive as it is) but has that really taken away from the playing budget?
I think you need a couple of fresh faces, not always easy this time of year though.
Chance for some revenge tomorrow night in Sheffield. Our home form hasn't been great this season so far, so there is every chance you could split the weekend.
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Post by spik on Oct 5, 2019 23:52:02 GMT
What was the attendance ? Or should I ask , what made up figure has been given?
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 5, 2019 23:53:11 GMT
Will he? He was unceremoniously dumped by the Steelers, I think he'd have taken a pay cut to join Nottingham. Not quite true. He was offered a pay cut in Sheffield to be our No.2. He declined that offer and decided to join you guys. Guessing he's on more than we were offering but not the level he was on last season. He'd already signed for next year, what happens if he says no to that pay cut demand? He'd have his contract terminated. At best you can argue he jumped before he was pushed.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 5, 2019 23:54:41 GMT
What was the attendance ? Or should I ask , what made up figure has been given? It was given as 6,116. Actually seemed fair from where I was sitting. Obviously a poor attendance against the Squeelers.
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Post by dill1015 on Oct 6, 2019 0:29:58 GMT
But if people were putting a roster together now with the benefit of hindsight,I bet not many would still have Lepine in their roster. If they were putting this year’s team together again today,I’d hazard a guess the only import players most people would keep from this years team would be Herr,Deutsch,Connolly, Matheson and maybe DeSantis. I said before the season started that I liked all the signings individually, but I didn't think there was enough quality as a team. Obviously a few have performed below expectations thus far, but I think that still holds true. We're short if goals and a 1st line. Nail on the head.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 6, 2019 0:32:25 GMT
What was the attendance ? Or should I ask , what made up figure has been given? It was given as 6,116. Actually seemed fair from where I was sitting. Obviously a poor attendance against the Squeelers. There were a ton of freebies too including I think a school as well?
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 6, 2019 0:49:58 GMT
It was given as 6,116. Actually seemed fair from where I was sitting. Obviously a poor attendance against the Squeelers. There were a ton of freebies too including I think a school as well? Possibly. How many is anyone's guess. Although any freebies against the Steelers should set alarm bells ringing. If fans aren't paying to watch Panthers play Steelers on a Saturday, how many are going to show up on a Wednesday night in the Storm for a pointless cup game?
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 6, 2019 2:12:42 GMT
whistle will be on a lot. Will he? He was unceremoniously dumped by the Steelers, I think he'd have taken a pay cut to join Nottingham. he will be on more than Sheffield offered him. He was paid very well last year apparently. I’d be very very surprised if he is cheaper than Carr.
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 6, 2019 2:14:03 GMT
its funny you say that because lepine hasn’t been bad recently. Much better than last season. But if people were putting a roster together now with the benefit of hindsight,I bet not many would still have Lepine in their roster. If they were putting this year’s team together again today,I’d hazard a guess the only import players most people would keep from this years team would be Herr,Deutsch,Connolly, Matheson and maybe DeSantis. yeah. But my point was lepine has stepped up from last year.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 6, 2019 4:54:36 GMT
As far as Brits go, a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for. Kelsall and Hazelidine have improved and are also putting in a lot of effort, but that's the problem with the team overall. Directly it's obviously not those two that are the biggest problem, far from it, however they are serious down grades in terms of overall Brits compared to Lee and Farmer(we still have room for 2 over 23s). A Brit of Steve Lees ability allows 1 less import D, where you can then spend the money on better quality forwards/top line.
Many have already said it but we do lack an entire top line, at least. Herr is head and shoulders above the rest of our forwards, but would he get on the top line of Belfast, Sheffield or Cardiff, perhaps eveb Clan? Having said that, we are probably 3 changes away from being a much better side. A whole top line and the rest of the team can relax a bit more and forfill their roles. Loiseau has already gone, Jakobs should be next. Then 1 more of about 3 or 4 of the others can go(Quist or Golovkos for me) although they could stay as another spare if we must.
The problem is entirely different from last year and many before it. The quality has by enlarge been there is previous years. Quality has generally been proven by good form in September and into October. Something then happens that means those good players drop off, somebody at the club, culture, whatever it was. This year we may have fixed those problems. The reality is we dont even know that. Every year we've seen these effort levels at this time. God forbid this lot become disengaged. We may well have solved those problems with Gui and Tim, but we wont really know because this team is so crap(well the forwards anyway). The big CVs of all the previously failed players was never the issue, so going cheap was never going to fix the problem.
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 6, 2019 5:06:22 GMT
As far as Brits go, a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for. Kelsall and Hazelidine have improved aswell as also putting in a lot of effort, but that's the problem with the team overall. Directly it's obviously not those two that are the biggest problem, far from it, however they are serious down grades in terms of overall Brits compared to Lee and Farmer(we still have room for 2 over 23s). A Brit of Steve Lees ability allows 1 less import D, where you can then spend the money on better quality forwards/top line. Many have already said it but we do lack an entire top line, at least. Herr head and shoulders above the rest of our forwards, but would he get on the top line of Belfast, Sheffield or Cardiff, perhaps eveb Clan? Having said that, we are probably 3 changes away from being a much better side. A whole top line and the rest of the team can relax a bit more and forfill their roles. Loiseau has already gone, Jakobs should be next. Then 1 more of about 3 or 4 of the others can go(Quist or Golovkos for me) although could stay as another spare if we must. The problem is entirely different from last year and many before it. The quality has by enlarge been there is previous years. Quality has generally been proven by good form in September and into October. Something then happens that mean those good players drop off, somebody at the club, culture, whatever it was. This year we may have fixed those problems. The reality we dont even know that. Every year we've seen these effort levels at this time. God forbid this lot become disengaged. We may well have solved those problems with Gui and Tim, but we wont really know because this team is so crap(well the forwards anyway). The big CVs of all the previously failed players was never the issue, so going cheap was never going to fix the problem. exactly this. People said through the off season big CVs arnt worth the signing. They never live up to the hype ect. And to a point it’s not very wrong but there is a difference from signing a solid AHLer like Herr compared to a career Allsvenskan player like Jakobs and we need more players with the skill level of Herr.
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 6, 2019 7:08:48 GMT
I can handle this being a rebuild team and as part of that it takes a season or so to actually do the rebuild. However, we need to shoot more and stop going for the perfect pass. We need to pressure their defence and pressure their goalie to force them to make a mistake. This has always been a problem, but at the moment the guys we have aren’t skilled enough or don’t have good enough chemistry to execute these passes. There is zero point trying to setup a great shot or doing a skilled move getting into the offensive zone when we then don’t attempt a shot. This did improve later in the game but nowhere near enough.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 6, 2019 7:30:48 GMT
I can handle this being a rebuild team and as part of that it takes a season or so to actually do the rebuild. However, we need to shoot more and stop going for the perfect pass. We need to pressure their defence and pressure their goalie to force them to make a mistake. This has always been a problem, but at the moment the guys we have aren’t skilled enough or don’t have good enough chemistry to execute these passes. There is zero point trying to setup a great shot or doing a skilled move getting into the offensive zone when we then don’t attempt a shot. This did improve later in the game but nowhere near enough. I also can handle a rebiuld year. Most were expecting it. The problem is, get it wrong and there is nothing to build on again next year. There is no good going with below average players this year, as if they simply arn't good enough then they wont be worth keeping. Rebuild should = Sign the quality you expect to compete, however the coach and new structure(potentialy positive steps) get a year to embed without expectations being to high. At the minute they've been set up to fail. We have to be careful not to leave them totally blameless though. They spent the money, regardless of how much it was.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Oct 6, 2019 7:34:07 GMT
I can handle this being a rebuild team and as part of that it takes a season or so to actually do the rebuild. However, we need to shoot more and stop going for the perfect pass. We need to pressure their defence and pressure their goalie to force them to make a mistake. This has always been a problem, but at the moment the guys we have aren’t skilled enough or don’t have good enough chemistry to execute these passes. There is zero point trying to setup a great shot or doing a skilled move getting into the offensive zone when we then don’t attempt a shot. This did improve later in the game but nowhere near enough. "at the moment the guys we have aren't skilled enough" - I dont see how that is going to improve over the season. We were second best all the way through. The roster had a put together on the cheap look and it seems to be proving so. The solution is Blacks out. For too long they have presided over an outfit which has underachieved and let the supporters down massively. All that happens is that NB stands up at forums and says he is a Panthers fan and they are trying their best and comes up with bull-----. Not good enough. Go.
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 6, 2019 7:42:08 GMT
I can handle this being a rebuild team and as part of that it takes a season or so to actually do the rebuild. However, we need to shoot more and stop going for the perfect pass. We need to pressure their defence and pressure their goalie to force them to make a mistake. This has always been a problem, but at the moment the guys we have aren’t skilled enough or don’t have good enough chemistry to execute these passes. There is zero point trying to setup a great shot or doing a skilled move getting into the offensive zone when we then don’t attempt a shot. This did improve later in the game but nowhere near enough. "at the moment the guys we have aren't skilled enough" - I dont see how that is going to improve over the season. We were second best all the way through. The roster had a put together on the cheap look and it seems to be proving so. The solution is Blacks out. For too long they have presided over an outfit which has underachieved and let the supporters down massively. All that happens is that NB stands up at forums and says he is a Panthers fan and they are trying their best and comes up with bull-----. Not good enough. Go. To make it very clear, the second part of what I said matters to the point I was making - “at the moment the guys we have aren’t skilled enough or don’t have good enough chemistry”. I am undecided if our performance is down to skill or chemistry. If skill is the problem then stop trying to be fancy and just shoot the damn puck. If chemistry is the issue then that takes time so for the moment just shoot the damn puck.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 8:34:20 GMT
Bit of a strange interview with wallace last night.. sounds like some players are on their way..?
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 6, 2019 9:27:36 GMT
Will he? He was unceremoniously dumped by the Steelers, I think he'd have taken a pay cut to join Nottingham. he will be on more than Sheffield offered him. He was paid very well last year apparently. I’d be very very surprised if he is cheaper than Carr. This is pretty much correct. Whistle is on more than Steelers offered this this off-season but less than last season. He's being paid more than your regular back up but to counter that Carr isn't on anywhere near what Garnett was on which was pretty insane. It's almost two 1.5's as opposed to a 1 & 2.
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Post by iginla on Oct 6, 2019 11:29:49 GMT
Bit of a strange interview with wallace last night.. sounds like some players are on their way..? Sounds like it yep. I’d guess Jakobs,Bulmer and possibly DeSantis if he doesn’t start producing soon.
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