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Post by iginla on Aug 15, 2019 10:18:41 GMT
I can just see it now.. if Panthers get shelled 5-1 etc in either game this weekend Panthers fans in particular will be quick to dismiss the teams chances over the next 8 months!! I've seen and read it all before Probs is...they were usually right ! 🤣🤣
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Post by bobness on Aug 15, 2019 10:25:15 GMT
I can just see it now.. if Panthers get shelled 5-1 etc in either game this weekend Panthers fans in particular will be quick to dismiss the teams chances over the next 8 months!! I've seen and read it all before Probs is...they were usually right ! 🤣🤣 Well, unless they win the league, you are right. And how often does that happen? But you can't tell that from a game or two pre-season. That's just anti-team defeatism, dressed up to look as though you've somehow "predicted it" and are thus "clever".
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Post by Pies on Aug 15, 2019 10:33:00 GMT
The pre season games for me are about working out what clicks, allowing players and coaches to make mistakes. You learn a lot more from mistakes than victory.!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 10:33:34 GMT
Yup most fans give teams 10-15 games to make a accurate assessment of the team not 2 non event pre season training sessions !
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Post by iginla on Aug 15, 2019 12:22:55 GMT
The pre season games for me are about working out what clicks, allowing players and coaches to make mistakes. You learn a lot more from mistakes than victory.! They are yes and that’s why they aren’t irrelevant. Hopefully they will show you what works,what doesn’t, or what is unlikely to work. They could also show any glaring mistakes like say a guy who was billed as being super fast isn’t fast at all. So they are relevant and also you woukd ideally like to build confidence by getting off to a winning start.
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Post by kievthegreat on Aug 15, 2019 12:45:40 GMT
The pre season games for me are about working out what clicks, allowing players and coaches to make mistakes. You learn a lot more from mistakes than victory.! They are yes and that’s why they aren’t irrelevant. Hopefully they will show you what works,what doesn’t, or what is unlikely to work. They could also show any glaring mistakes like say a guy who was billed as being super fast isn’t fast at all. So they are relevant and also you woukd ideally like to build confidence by getting off to a winning start. Literally no one has said preseason games are irrelevant. They've said results are. If the team performs well but doesn't win every game that's still a good preseason.
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Post by iginla on Aug 15, 2019 15:17:28 GMT
They are yes and that’s why they aren’t irrelevant. Hopefully they will show you what works,what doesn’t, or what is unlikely to work. They could also show any glaring mistakes like say a guy who was billed as being super fast isn’t fast at all. So they are relevant and also you woukd ideally like to build confidence by getting off to a winning start. Literally no one has said preseason games are irrelevant. They've said results are. If the team performs well but doesn't win every game that's still a good preseason. I’m the one saying they’re relevant as in games and scores. Other people said scores were irrelevant not me. You don’t need to win every game but you don’t want to get tanked in them all that’s all i was saying.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 15, 2019 16:16:00 GMT
To be fair we usually look world beaters pre season and then it falls off from there. This time last year it was between us and the devils if you remember
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 15, 2019 16:34:53 GMT
To be fair we usually look world beaters pre season and then it falls off from there. This time last year it was between us and the devils if you remember It sure was, you were the team to beat, and us in Cardiff weren’t feeling too great about your squad.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 15, 2019 16:38:55 GMT
To be fair we usually look world beaters pre season and then it falls off from there. This time last year it was between us and the devils if you remember It sure was, you were the team to beat, and us in Cardiff weren’t feeling too great about your squad. GD should already have November circled on his calendar with thick marker pen if he has any sense
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 16:52:53 GMT
A few years ago.. Newcastle United lost their first game pre season 8-1 I think it was !.. they went on to win the league at a canter
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Post by cjones on Aug 15, 2019 16:55:49 GMT
To be fair we usually look world beaters pre season and then it falls off from there. This time last year it was between us and the devils if you remember And you had 5 guys missing too? I was fooled. As well as finding whih lines work and which don’t, trying out the new systems, it’s also a way for the players to get match fit. We’ve got 3 games left before CHL 🥴
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Post by spik on Aug 15, 2019 21:57:47 GMT
These are the games that no game sheets are provided, so asking if people can note dressed players, actual goals/assists and Pims for me. Any goalie change times also. All for stats purposes ta.
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Post by thedevilsfan10 on Aug 15, 2019 23:40:56 GMT
These are the games that no game sheets are provided, so asking if people can note dressed players, actual goals/assists and Pims for me. Any goalie change times also. All for stats purposes ta. I’d be happy to do one for you on sundays game as the Devils do game sheets.
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Post by EMB on Aug 16, 2019 10:09:44 GMT
Its going to be interesting to see how we fare over the next couple of games with the Devils, I'm really not expecting much at IAW purely for the fact the Devils have two week training and a couple of games on us. From what I saw last night we are not a big (in height) squad apart from about 3 of them, I just hope we have the speed and don't get knocked around. Bulmer looks a big unit. For me its about gelling, learning the systems and seeing what the benchmark is for the league. have to say tho' Matheson looks deadly serious didn't see him crack a smile all night..lol
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Post by cjones on Aug 16, 2019 10:50:30 GMT
Its going to be interesting to see how we fare over the next couple of games with the Devils, I'm really not expecting much at IAW purely for the fact the Devils have two week training and a couple of games on us. From what I saw last night we are not a big (in height) squad apart from about 3 of them, I just hope we have the speed and don't get knocked around. Bulmer looks a big unit. For me its about gelling, learning the systems and seeing what the benchmark is for the league. have to say tho' Matheson looks deadly serious didn't see him crack a smile all night..lol Martin was injured in training last week so didn’t play on the weekend; hoping he’s over the niggle so we can see the full team tomorrow. We only have a couple of big guys - Louis and Batch. You seem to have 6 guys 6’ 2” and over whilst we have 7? Think you’ll be fine Speed, skill, hard checking, stick detail, and paying attention to the coach’s directions - I’d like to see some of that.
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Post by bobness on Aug 16, 2019 11:57:37 GMT
What I'd like to see from Panthers for this season (very briefly)
Consistency - let's see some leadership and players not go missing in games. Only one 5 game stretch in the league last season saw Panthers get 10 points. 13 similar stretches saw 4 or fewer points.
Hard work - I'd like to see a Panthers team outwork a team and "earn" a result. I didn't see that much last year.
Better special teams - the PP and PK were pretty average last year, PP especially (Between 23 Jan and 23 Feb, the PP was 0 for 31. The PK started the season killing 19 straight and ended the season killing 48 of the last 50 PPs. In between, it was an average 199/244 = 81.6%.). A combined (simply added) PP and PK % of 101.35 doesn't win you things.
Discipline - discipline cost Panthers last year. In all competitive games, Panthers has 235 PPs last year, but conceded 313. Panthers scored 7 less PP goals than they conceded. That doesn't win you things.
Better OT - Panthers went 3 for 13 in OT last year, including 8 straight OT losses in OT games 2 to 9.
Fix those, and good things are more likely to happen.
(Edited, the third period stats were duff at first instance, Panthers were 18-1-0-0-4-2 when leading after 2. 0.840.)
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Post by iginla on Aug 16, 2019 14:34:18 GMT
What I'd like to see from Panthers for this season (very briefly) Consistency - let's see some leadership and players not go missing in games. Only one 5 game stretch in the league last season saw Panthers get 10 points. 13 similar stretches saw 4 or fewer points. Hard work - I'd like to see a Panthers team outwork a team and "earn" a result. I didn't see that much last year. Better special teams - the PP and PK were pretty average last year, PP especially (Between 23 Jan and 23 Feb, the PP was 0 for 31. The PK started the season killing 19 straight and ended the season killing 48 of the last 50 PPs. In between, it was an average 199/244 = 81.6%.). A combined (simply added) PP and PK % of 101.35 doesn't win you things. Discipline - discipline cost Panthers last year. In all competitive games, Panthers has 235 PPs last year, but conceded 313. Panthers scored 7 less PP goals than they conceded. That doesn't win you things. Better OT - Panthers went 3 for 13 in OT last year, including 8 straight OT losses in OT games 2 to 9. Fix those, and good things are more likely to happen. (Edited, the third period stats were duff at first instance, Panthers were 18-1-0-0-4-2 when leading after 2. 0.840.) Jeez most of those stats are abysmal,it’s no wonder they finished where they did. 🙄
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Post by bobness on Aug 16, 2019 14:49:59 GMT
What I'd like to see from Panthers for this season (very briefly) Consistency - let's see some leadership and players not go missing in games. Only one 5 game stretch in the league last season saw Panthers get 10 points. 13 similar stretches saw 4 or fewer points. Hard work - I'd like to see a Panthers team outwork a team and "earn" a result. I didn't see that much last year. Better special teams - the PP and PK were pretty average last year, PP especially (Between 23 Jan and 23 Feb, the PP was 0 for 31. The PK started the season killing 19 straight and ended the season killing 48 of the last 50 PPs. In between, it was an average 199/244 = 81.6%.). A combined (simply added) PP and PK % of 101.35 doesn't win you things. Discipline - discipline cost Panthers last year. In all competitive games, Panthers has 235 PPs last year, but conceded 313. Panthers scored 7 less PP goals than they conceded. That doesn't win you things. Better OT - Panthers went 3 for 13 in OT last year, including 8 straight OT losses in OT games 2 to 9. Fix those, and good things are more likely to happen. (Edited, the third period stats were duff at first instance, Panthers were 18-1-0-0-4-2 when leading after 2. 0.840.) Jeez most of those stats are abysmal,it’s no wonder they finished where they did. 🙄 Panthers finished 3rd out of 10, not 8th or anything. But yes, the penalty and OT stats are especially pants. Go 10 for 13 in OT, win the 3 games they lost by the odd goal, step up in the games vs Belfast (5 points out of 12 possible) and Steelers (4 points out of 12) and the team were contenders. I know it's ifs and buts, but every point is crucial, from game 1.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 16, 2019 14:54:50 GMT
Jeez most of those stats are abysmal,it’s no wonder they finished where they did. 🙄 Panthers finished 3rd out of 10, not 8th or anything. But yes, the penalty and OT stats are especially pants. Go 10 for 13 in OT, win the 3 games they lost by the odd goal, step up in the games vs Belfast (5 points out of 12 possible) and Steelers (4 points out of 12) and the team were contenders. I know it's ifs and buts, but every point is crucial, from game 1. third sounds good when we finished 20 points behind 2nd. not good enough at all.
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Post by bobness on Aug 16, 2019 15:35:21 GMT
22 to be exact. 76.1% of the league winner's points. Much better than 2016-17, for example. But bottom line, no, not exactly good enough.
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Post by allingtonskates on Aug 16, 2019 19:01:12 GMT
Malmquist wont be here to play this weekend.
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Post by wgray on Aug 17, 2019 12:41:04 GMT
Looking forward to getting back to the rink later, I’m excited to see the type of squad that’s been built. Bring on the Devils!
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Post by John Casey on Aug 17, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
Looks like we'll have a shootout regardless of result
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Post by spik on Aug 17, 2019 14:54:23 GMT
These are the games that no game sheets are provided, so asking if people can note dressed players, actual goals/assists and Pims for me. Any goalie change times also. All for stats purposes ta. I’d be happy to do one for you on sundays game as the Devils do game sheets. Much appreciated, all help valid to check upon.
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