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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 16, 2018 9:04:34 GMT
After watching a very good webcast of Panthers v Steelers, what are the chances of this happening on a weekly basis. I know it was due to having a sell out beforehand, but so many away fans who won’t be travelling would surely buy this first class Webcast. Then there’s people like me who if I can’t watch my team, would as I have done buy it to watch a good game. It’s such a shame to produce such a good product, then deny people the chance to watch it. Yes there is this paranoia that webcasts stop people going to games, but we in Cardiff sell out when we have a weekly webcast, nothing will ever replace going to a live game, and our webcast don’t interfere with the gate. Rant over guys, but every team in our league should be making this available to the masses.
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Post by texpef on Oct 16, 2018 9:19:08 GMT
Not a prayer.... unless there are no actual tickets left to sell...
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Post by iginla on Oct 16, 2018 9:43:29 GMT
There is no chance of a webcast every game because Panthers thinking is skewed.
It’s a few years now since webcasts started being shown and yet virtually every EIHL club has seen attendances grow.
That says to me that webcasts do not affect attendances despite what Mr Black seems to think.
They should at least try it for a couple of months and see what happens.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 16, 2018 9:49:09 GMT
I vote for Panthers radio. Ice hockey on the radio sounds like a partnership made in heaven.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2018 9:53:13 GMT
Didn't the Sheffield lot do it for us?
Radio would be better than nothing.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 16, 2018 9:54:39 GMT
Didn't the Sheffield lot do it for us? Radio would be better than nothing. So would getting slashed every five minutes like “feel-o-vision”  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 10:05:15 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 16, 2018 10:14:00 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away VPN |
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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 16, 2018 10:21:10 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away Exactly, safeguard your product and add some extra funds for the club, getting your product to a bigger audience has to be good for business surely. As has been said 8 out of 11 teams run a webcast, surely they cant all be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 10:29:39 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away Exactly, safeguard your product and add some extra funds for the club, getting your product to a bigger audience has to be good for business surely. As has been said 8 out of 11 teams run a webcast, surely they cant all be wrong. As a Panthers fan who lives in sheffield it would be nice to have especially for midweek and Sunday games |
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Post by iginla on Oct 16, 2018 10:55:38 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away Mr Black said at one of the Q+A’s that it was not possible to block out certain areas. How true that is I’ve no idea. Sheffield would seem a very good area to block out though Haha 😂🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 11:02:53 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away Mr Black said at one of the Q+A’s that it was not possible to block out certain areas. How true that is I’ve no idea. Sheffield would seem a very good area to block out though Haha 😂🤣 I'm sure someone who's up on networking technology will say if it's possible or not. My view is that it's a easy way of saying he won't do a webcast. I'm pretty sure Sheffield did exactly this a few years ago and it worked ... and don't we use the same production! |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 16, 2018 11:08:15 GMT
GameCentre does it for black out (oh, there's an idea) restrictions. You can work around it, VPN as TFS says, but really who would be bothered for a UK hockey game? Attendances would see zero effect, and they'd probably make more money to boot.
It's a load of old rubbish because they can't be bothered. The radio stuff is a laugh, but they can't even be bothered with that, despite saying they'd do it.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 16, 2018 11:35:02 GMT
If they think attendances would fall then put a geoblock on then with a 40-50 mile radius etc. Then it would enable the away fans to watch and Panthers fans who live miles away . |
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Post by BigLad on Oct 16, 2018 11:35:23 GMT
Panthers should experiment with the next home game to see how much home attendance will be affected.
Giants won't be bringing many but I'd bet that there'd be a couple of hundred buys of the webcast by them.
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Post by iginla on Oct 16, 2018 12:00:46 GMT
Panthers should experiment with the next home game to see how much home attendance will be affected. Giants won't be bringing many but I'd bet that there'd be a couple of hundred buys of the webcast by them. They should yes. Midweek games have to be a good one to target,with all the people who work late or work away from home and also people who don’t attend because they don’t want to keep the kids out late on a school night. Just try it and see what happens,the worst that can happen is they lose a few quid,can’t see it being a lot though,but at least they would see the potential webcast sales. |
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Post by claretgiant on Oct 16, 2018 13:51:52 GMT
Panthers should experiment with the next home game to see how much home attendance will be affected. Giants won't be bringing many but I'd bet that there'd be a couple of hundred buys of the webcast by them. 100% agree with this, just look at how many Panthers fans travelled to Belfast on Sunday probably the same amount of Giants fans will travel to Nottingham for the next game. But how many Panthers fans took advantage of the webcast provided? Most fans cant afford to travel and stay overnight, especially for Sunday games, but would be happy to pay £10 for the webcast. I would expect anything between 300 to 500 (£3000 to $5000 money you wouldn't be getting with the bums on seats policy) to purchase the webcast. |
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 16, 2018 15:02:21 GMT
...I would expect anything between 300 to 500 (£3000 to $5000 money you wouldn't be getting with the bums on seats policy) to purchase the webcast. You really think 300 to 500 individual Belfast supporters are going to purchase a webcast? Far more likely is that 100 or so might purchase it and invite mates around to watch. So about £1000ish. Then there is the risk that Panthers fans might choose to buy a webcast rather than travel into town after a day shopping, at work or watching Forest etc. If I and my family (wife and daughter) decide not to go and we get a webcast instead we'd save £41.25 (silver tickets). How many more need to choose to stay at home with a webcast instead to negate that £1000+ made from Belfast fans tuning in? For arguments sake, it would only take 25 families similar to ours to stay away to negate the above example income from Belfast fans. Then there is the cost of running the service to take into account. If groups of adults decide to stay away and watch in the comfort of their own homes, drinking cheaper beer and eating what they want rather than over-priced Arena slop the potential income losses increase by a fair amount. |
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Post by Lawman on Oct 16, 2018 16:09:01 GMT
After watching a very good webcast of Panthers v Steelers, what are the chances of this happening on a weekly basis. I know it was due to having a sell out beforehand, but so many away fans who won’t be travelling would surely buy this first class Webcast. Then there’s people like me who if I can’t watch my team, would as I have done buy it to watch a good game. It’s such a shame to produce such a good product, then deny people the chance to watch it. Yes there is this paranoia that webcasts stop people going to games, but we in Cardiff sell out when we have a weekly webcast, nothing will ever replace going to a live game, and our webcast don’t interfere with the gate. Rant over guys, but every team in our league should be making this available to the masses. Your rink holds 3100 maximum and with having a winning team the last two or three years that is easy to fill but sometimes you do not quite sell out as I have noticed there are some games that are one hundred to two hundred short ish |
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 16, 2018 16:20:15 GMT
Your rink holds 3100 maximum... There is also the not exactly insignificant fact that they get the ice time for free. Guess it's easy to put on a webcast when you don't have to factor venue costs when considering the break even. |
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Post by BigLad on Oct 16, 2018 16:22:47 GMT
...I would expect anything between 300 to 500 (£3000 to $5000 money you wouldn't be getting with the bums on seats policy) to purchase the webcast. You really think 300 to 500 individual Belfast supporters are going to purchase a webcast? Far more likely is that 100 or so might purchase it and invite mates around to watch. So about £1000ish. Then there is the risk that Panthers fans might choose to buy a webcast rather than travel into town after a day shopping, at work or watching Forest etc. If I and my family (wife and daughter) decide not to go and we get a webcast instead we'd save £41.25 (silver tickets). How many more need to choose to stay at home with a webcast instead to negate that £1000+ made from Belfast fans tuning in? For arguments sake, it would only take 25 families similar to ours to stay away to negate the above example income from Belfast fans. Then there is the cost of running the service to take into account. If groups of adults decide to stay away and watch in the comfort of their own homes, drinking cheaper beer and eating what they want rather than over-priced Arena slop the potential income losses increase by a fair amount. That's why I said experiment to see the impact. |
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 16, 2018 18:23:23 GMT
That's why I said experiment to see the impact. And I'm all for it, I'm just pointing out that it's not as simple as 'claretgiant' seems to be implying. Primarily I very much doubt that "300 - 500" individual Belfast fans would pay for a stream. Indeed its likely that, beside groups of fans getting together at someone's house, a bar/pub or two might stream the game using a non-commercial stream. It also needs repeating that "Geo Blocks" are completely ineffective and that all but the most luddite of hockey fans would be able to set-up a VPN to circumvent such measures. |
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