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Post by wgray on Oct 21, 2018 11:12:06 GMT
Its nearing the end of the third period, everyone is gassed after a hard game and you're asked to go out and face-off against Cardiff's top line, who have pulled Bowns for another forward in the final minutes to bring it back from a 1 goal deficit. Not all shifts are equal. I'm not necessarily going in on Lepine here but i'd argue Olsen plays more of those situations than Lepine. I have said it once this season already. I don't think it's as simple as personel on D. The same as last year. When watching games nobody looks bad. As a team however we cannot defend for toffee. The bigger stand outs in that for me are the guys with 15/16 points at 0+/-. I know your top forwards are there to score points but they have to take more responsibilty defensively. I agree with you, it does appear that our forwards are poor defensively. There seems to be situations where the opposition are finding space due to our forwards laziness, they’re not tracking players and leaving odd man rushes. They give the impression that they’re not fit enough.
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2018 11:14:14 GMT
So who was the player that turned the puck over and upset Cherno for Fife’s 7th goal ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 11:15:18 GMT
I certainly feel cherno won't rest on his laurels and will replace players if he feels they are not following instructions
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 11:24:32 GMT
I certainly feel cherno won it rest on his laurels and will replace players if he feels they are not following instructions I thought the same but this is going on week after week now
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2018 11:39:25 GMT
I certainly feel cherno won't rest on his laurels and will replace players if he feels they are not following instructions Yep I think we will see action. At least Cherno did an interview and didn’t hide like Barasso ! Not a peep from him after last night in Cardiff apparently.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2018 11:43:26 GMT
I may be wrong, but the last 3 away league games, excluding last night as the full game sheet isn't up, we have conceded 17 goals. Lee has been on the ice for 10 of those, 7 of them in partnership with Lepine. The next worst is Rislng on 4. I appreciate figures can be juggled to prove most things, but doesn't this point to where our main weakness is? If you’re trying to say Lee is the weakest link, best in mind up until Friday morning, from all 12 league games, he was leading the D with +4.
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Post by cjones on Oct 21, 2018 11:45:01 GMT
I'm not necessarily going in on Lepine here but i'd argue Olsen plays more of those situations than Lepine. I have said it once this season already. I don't think it's as simple as personel on D. The same as last year. When watching games nobody looks bad. As a team however we cannot defend for toffee. The bigger stand outs in that for me are the guys with 15/16 points at 0+/-. I know your top forwards are there to score points but they have to take more responsibilty defensively. I agree with you, it does appear that our forwards are poor defensively. There seems to be situations where the opposition are finding space due to our forwards laziness, they’re not tracking players and leaving odd man rushes. They give the impression that they’re not fit enough. I think some forwards are just not detailed enough in D - they’re not 2 way players. A couple of our new guys are amazing going forward but they don’t do the dirty work in D whilst the other two are fine. If then, most of the guys you sign are just offensive, then as a team you will struggle to keep low scores as netminders can’t work miracles every game - just look at Whistle now struggling for Steelers.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 21, 2018 12:14:03 GMT
Guptill is by far the worst forward for backchecking but probably the most gifted offensively. This has been his biggest issue during his career with pretty much all of his coaches stating if he sorts that side of his game out he'd be a much more valuable player. Biggs is another who doesn't seem to have any defensive side to his game.
In fact, most of our guys seem to expend all of their energy going forward and then cough the puck up creating an opposition breakout and we have nothing left in the tank.
The defence needs to be more physical for me, Billingsley especially but everybody is guilty. We tend not to hit behind our own net, we don't really pin guys against the boards. It's terrible, they just get through us like a hot knife through butter.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 12:35:14 GMT
It was also gross naivety to play Gospel last night in the toughest game of the weekend. He pulled off some great saves but last night was a game for the number one. The number one who wasn’t even our starter at the back end of last year that is.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 12:37:30 GMT
Guptill is by far the worst forward for backchecking but probably the most gifted offensively. This has been his biggest issue during his career with pretty much all of his coaches stating if he sorts that side of his game out he'd be a much more valuable player. Biggs is another who doesn't seem to have any defensive side to his game. In fact, most of our guys seem to expend all of their energy going forward and then cough the puck up creating an opposition breakout and we have nothing left in the tank. The defence needs to be more physical for me, Billingsley especially but everybody is guilty. We tend not to hit behind our own net, we don't really pin guys against the boards. It's terrible, they just get through us like a hot knife through butter. It would be a very brave coach who tried to change Guptill’s game at this point. Take his goals out of the season so far and we would be in Steeler territory right now.
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Post by SteelerBlade on Oct 21, 2018 12:40:58 GMT
Is Garnett's age an issue? He seems to absolutely rob everybody at the start of the year then tail off, suprised Gospel started, thought he'd be in tonight instead IMO.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 12:52:06 GMT
Is Garnett's age an issue? He seems to absolutely rob everybody at the start of the year then tail off, suprised Gospel started, thought he'd be in tonight instead IMO. Splitting games and a uni course is a big issue especially in this second year
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Post by shinobi on Oct 21, 2018 13:02:36 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Suspended one game.
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Post by pantherlee on Oct 21, 2018 13:07:38 GMT
If Bolduc is going on that top line it might make it a bit more secure if he's a two way forward as was mentioned when he did his interview. Having Henderson with Kovacs and Pither may also add some solidarity without taking away the attacking threat. Agree about that top line. It may be scoring a hatful but those +/- stats suggest they're shipping them in equal measure too
I think we should be looking at a second import goalie to take some of the workload off Garnett. It worked last year and i think asking Garnett to play 2-3 times a week will catch up with him in the end
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 13:08:42 GMT
1 game for showing a bit of passion!! The game has truly gone 🙈 ...the snowflake generation will be going bonkers it's not a lifetime ban mind
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 21, 2018 13:27:31 GMT
We need a new goalie. Gospel won’t win us the league and we need a goalie capable of playing every game and garnett isn’t that goalie.
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Post by texpef on Oct 21, 2018 13:33:10 GMT
How many is 'some'? of those you got. The rough, slash or hold stick. So boo, but spit at people who came all that way to put money into the coffers? Is that 'fair'? Welcome to the Cage, you joined to post that, are you an ex-steeler by chance. Not at all, was enjoying the build up to the game. If anyone spat that is disgusting and should never happen. Maybe I’m bias but most of your penalties were justified, and to be fair you were lucky there were not more called. How your bench only got 2mins for you coaches behavior is shocking and I expect him to get more! You would have a great team if they had discipline. You say most were justified?.. maybe if I saw the replays there could be a case for all of them but as a panthers fan they looked pretty soft and very biased towards one team (as they were last night). In fact what really bothered me apart from breaking up any panthers momentum which included that non penalty with a minute or so to go) was the one sided nature of the calls. Scottish reds have been notorious for decades for being onesided and imho this was made obvious in the last two games. IF I was coach I would have taken off my players after the perfectly good goal imho was washed and panthers were put on 2 mins of 5-3 and stuff the consequences maybe something would get done then..
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Post by Yotes on Oct 21, 2018 13:46:14 GMT
1 game for showing a bit of passion!! The game has truly gone 🙈 ...the snowflake generation will be going bonkers it's not a lifetime ban mind They've always handed out bans for chucking stuff onto the ice from the bench.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 13:47:27 GMT
1 game for showing a bit of passion!! The game has truly gone 🙈 ...the snowflake generation will be going bonkers it's not a lifetime ban mind They've always handed out bans for chucking stuff onto the ice from the bench. Pity he didn’t throw some defence on at the same time
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Post by Yotes on Oct 21, 2018 14:04:26 GMT
They've always handed out bans for chucking stuff onto the ice from the bench. Pity he didn’t throw some defence on at the same time
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Post by EMB on Oct 21, 2018 14:09:56 GMT
Toby Craig again for tonight's match what a ball ache
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Post by sevcik on Oct 21, 2018 14:11:48 GMT
Toby Craig again for tonight's match what a ball ache Surprise surprise..... Not...
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Post by BigLad on Oct 21, 2018 14:33:36 GMT
And it seems Fife are being investigated for the poor video technology available to the match refs.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 21, 2018 14:42:10 GMT
And it seems Fife are being investigated for the poor video technology available to the match refs. Is it in relation to anything in particular? Panthers goal that was washed off, or perhaps when Pither celebrated as if he'd scored when it hit the iron? I'm guessing they are reffering to not being able to use goal line tech to check.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2018 14:57:28 GMT
Is Garnett's age an issue? He seems to absolutely rob everybody at the start of the year then tail off, suprised Gospel started, thought he'd be in tonight instead IMO. My thoughts exactly. Certainly regarding the split of how they’ve played this weekend.
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