Jord v4
Ken Westman
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 20, 2018 22:40:18 GMT
How about spitting on our fans... That our fault as well? Read what I said about spitting. Fair enough, one decent fan up there at least.
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shinobi
Randall Weber
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Post by shinobi on Oct 20, 2018 23:06:57 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions.
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Lyn
Lorne Smith
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Post by Lyn on Oct 20, 2018 23:25:33 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Will that only be if Fife complain or is it an automatic review?
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Post by cjones on Oct 21, 2018 0:02:53 GMT
The boarding call was fair and it technically was a cross check but it’s very weak from the Fife player, if we’re at home then it doesn’t get called. The Fife players will sell everything and the refs will buy it, especially with the Fife fans crying every time anything physical happens. Every team gives up penalties but it’s the lazy, needless ones which are so frustrating. I was embarrassed tonight at Devils v Steelers sat amongst people crying and shouting outrage at every check, all clean 🙈 We all have them 🙄
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shinobi
Randall Weber
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Post by shinobi on Oct 21, 2018 0:17:24 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Will that only be if Fife complain or is it an automatic review? Wouldn’t surprise me if the league look at it, irrespective of whether the Flyers get involved.
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Post by cjones on Oct 21, 2018 0:18:11 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Probably and no arguments. However, it wasn’t a big throw was it? Does he carry a shoulder injury?
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Post by cjones on Oct 21, 2018 0:19:46 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Will that only be if Fife complain or is it an automatic review? Don’t think it will automatically reviewed will it? Can’t see Flyers asking for it to be reviewed either?
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Discoray
Robert Lachowicz
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Post by Discoray on Oct 21, 2018 1:03:30 GMT
Will that only be if Fife complain or is it an automatic review? Don’t think it will automatically reviewed will it? Can’t see Flyers asking for it to be reviewed either? Suspect it will be automatic since a Flyers fan got injured as a result.
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Yotes
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Post by Yotes on Oct 21, 2018 1:54:50 GMT
Damaged sensibilities?
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Post by nightwish on Oct 21, 2018 6:02:05 GMT
I get bored with the lets blame the officials rubbish - we’ve conceded 7 against Fife on the road, 6 against both Clan and Giants on the road , and 5 against MK - did the officials score 24 goals against us - nope.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 6:38:03 GMT
I would have laughed at that myself. Far better than the fake “full house again” rivalry with the Steelers. I agree. It didn't bother me sat on my sofa. However I can see why if some were there and already had steam coming out their ears it could be the straw to break the camels back. It shouldn't but most of us have seen it happen at some point. Spitting is a very big step over the mark and action should have been taken for that absolutely. My own thoughts are that when lower budget teams come along to the “world famous NIC” it’s like a cup final for them and we do everything we can to make it nice and cuddly and cosy for them. The worst that happens is the occasional “it’s all your fault” chants or booing the Steelers onto the ice. About as intimidating as a dropping a stitch in a new Woolley. So much fake guff and not enough making it difficult for other teams (teams NOT ott for the travelling fans) and other teams at our place get a very easy ride and usually a lot better than they even get at home.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 6:42:08 GMT
Having seen the footage of Cherno chucking the stick on the ice; great to see a coach with some fire in his belly although I do think he’ll be banished to the stands for his actions. Hope he has enough fire in his belly to find out why his players are only putting in one period of effort in on away games. Last night (again) it was light flipping a light switch on the change was so obvious.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 21, 2018 6:43:43 GMT
I get bored with the lets blame the officials rubbish - we’ve conceded 7 against Fife on the road, 6 against both Clan and Giants on the road , and 5 against MK - did the officials score 24 goals against us - nope. The refs are bad enough but we have been plain terrible end of.
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2018 8:26:12 GMT
Will that only be if Fife complain or is it an automatic review? Don’t think it will automatically reviewed will it? Can’t see Flyers asking for it to be reviewed either? Is fan footage eligible for use though if the official camera doesn’t catch an incident. I don’t actually think it should be as that’s an unfair playing field. What was it the EIHL powers that be said about goal line technology.... “it can’t be used until all teams have it as that would be unfair” ?
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2018 8:26:34 GMT
I get bored with the lets blame the officials rubbish - we’ve conceded 7 against Fife on the road, 6 against both Clan and Giants on the road , and 5 against MK - did the officials score 24 goals against us - nope. Absolutely this. Shipping goals will not win you many games. If Panthers get nothing out of a 3 game weekend in Scotland, as is quite likely, I think, it'll be interesting to see what Chernomaz does. Do we have a change on D? (Which seems to be the issue?) Before this weekend, statistically Panthers "worst" D man was (by a mile) Lepine, but he's captain and a hero to many...
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2018 8:33:08 GMT
I get bored with the lets blame the officials rubbish - we’ve conceded 7 against Fife on the road, 6 against both Clan and Giants on the road , and 5 against MK - did the officials score 24 goals against us - nope. Absolutely this. Shipping goals will not win you many games. If Panthers get nothing out of a 3 game weekend in Scotland, as is quite likely, I think, it'll be interesting to see what Chernomaz does. Do we have a change on D? (Which seems to be the issue?) Before this weekend, statistically Panthers "worst" D man was (by a mile) Lepine, but he's captain and a hero to many... Based on what we’ve seen from him so far,captain or not I’d be looking to gas him. Two year Uni deal though so no doubt he’s safe. And that could be part of the problem !
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Post by cjones on Oct 21, 2018 8:38:01 GMT
I guess when you’re scoring as many goals as shipping the +/- on even strength goals isn’t too helpful?
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Oct 21, 2018 9:14:45 GMT
Mmmm those +\- stats don’t make pretty reading for the Brits and the captain ! 🤨
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 21, 2018 9:15:36 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into the +/- statistics, there are obvious reasons why the North American Analytics and Statistics community moved away from it.
If we're going to be taking it seriously we need to be looking at it in context many other factors, special teams ice-time, shots for/against, defensive zone possession, etc, etc.
Its far from uncommon for your best defensive players to show a poor +/- as they get called in for the most difficult shifts and defensive face-offs.
I don't think we should be taking Lepine's -9 and assigning him the title of "worst" D man.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2018 9:16:08 GMT
I guess when you’re scoring as many goals as shipping the +/- on even strength goals isn’t too helpful? +/- is only about even strength (and SH) goals. It shows how individuals are performing at even strength. In Lepine's case, not overly well so far. I'm not exactly 100% confident in those stats either. Spik isnt either.
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Post by bobness on Oct 21, 2018 9:21:24 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into the +/- statistics, there are obvious reasons why the North American Analytics and Statistics community moved away from it. If we're going to be taking it seriously we need to be looking at it in context many other factors, special teams ice-time, shots for/against, defensive zone possession, etc, etc. Its far from uncommon for your best defensive players to show a poor +/- as they get called in for the most difficult shifts and defensive face-offs. I don't think we should be taking Lepine's -9 and assigning him the title of "worst" D man. Fair points, but this is the EIHL and its all we have. Lepine's getting scored on more than Joey's sister at the moment. The question is, what's Olsen doing differently to be +7 in the same team? Not sure I get your logic on the "difficult shifts" argument but as you say, some better stats may help. For example, Lacho led the team last year in being on ice when a PPG was scored against. If he is, as a lot say, our best defensive player, is that anomaly only because he gets the "worst" shifts? Sadly, as QOTSA opine, no-one knows.
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Post by johnbluebeam on Oct 21, 2018 9:35:46 GMT
I may be wrong, but the last 3 away league games, excluding last night as the full game sheet isn't up, we have conceded 17 goals. Lee has been on the ice for 10 of those, 7 of them in partnership with Lepine. The next worst is Rislng on 4. I appreciate figures can be juggled to prove most things, but doesn't this point to where our main weakness is?
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 21, 2018 9:37:22 GMT
Not sure I get your logic on the "difficult shifts" argument but as you say, some better stats may help. Its nearing the end of the third period, everyone is gassed after a hard game and you're asked to go out and face-off against Cardiff's top line, who have pulled Bowns for another forward in the final minutes to bring it back from a 1 goal deficit. Not all shifts are equal.
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Post by Mark Mac on Oct 21, 2018 9:45:24 GMT
Bolduc's 16 PIMs concern me. On a team that takes too many penalties, having the new guy get 16 PIMs in 1 game is not good.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 21, 2018 9:56:51 GMT
Not sure I get your logic on the "difficult shifts" argument but as you say, some better stats may help. Its nearing the end of the third period, everyone is gassed after a hard game and you're asked to go out and face-off against Cardiff's top line, who have pulled Bowns for another forward in the final minutes to bring it back from a 1 goal deficit. Not all shifts are equal. I'm not necessarily going in on Lepine here but i'd argue Olsen plays more of those situations than Lepine. I have said it once this season already. I don't think it's as simple as personel on D. The same as last year. When watching games nobody looks bad. As a team however we cannot defend for toffee. The bigger stand outs in that for me are the guys with 15/16 points at 0+/-. I know your top forwards are there to score points but they have to take more responsibilty defensively.
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