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Post by Karl on Oct 10, 2018 15:17:02 GMT
I lost faith in Panthers medical team many years ago,they seem about as good as the management.....bloody secretive and useless ! I totally refute this remark. I have worked with the Panthers team doctor on many occasions and he is an excellent, truly professional person. Its not their place to divulge information about injuries and without anything more than your layman's understanding of both injury severity and treatment options, you have no grounds to rate their effectiveness as healthcare professionals. Someone speaks sense... didn’t see that coming.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 10, 2018 15:54:07 GMT
@ynott, I've combined your thread with this one, as the line of enquiry is similar.
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Post by bobness on Oct 10, 2018 15:58:35 GMT
Either be proactive and carry spares. Pros There's "always" someone to fill in when needed.
Cons How do you factor in squad rotation and "healthy scratches"? Would players not playing most games want to leave to play somewhere for regular ice time? If that's not the case, your spares would be of "lesser" quality? Thus the situation now exists in a third dimension. A team has a spare, but a player who's played at a lower level than the player he'll "replace". Lines are disrupted. Iggy etc still moan. Can still be short if carry (say) 2 spares and 3 players get injured. What if a LW gets injured and you've got a C and a D man as spare? Team chemistry issues? Prior benchwarming spare may take a week to get "hockey fit" if called on? (More) Expensive.
Or be reactive and replace players with long term injuries Pros Let's face it , cheaper. Most injuries are short term, and a full squad should be able to cope short term, with 2 or 3 injuries.
Cons Not many "good" players are available mid-season to cover for long term injuries. Kyle Hardy, anyone? By the time you've realised an injury may be longer term, it may be best to wait 4 weeks for it to heal, rather than try and get a player in for those 4 weeks. (i.e. you don't always know how serious an injury is) Issues of team chemistry.
There's all kinds of arguments, but what we don't know is what RC wants/feels is right. He may not want to carry "spares" at all. He may be signing a new player today, to cover for Rheault.
Personally, I don't like the idea of a player essentially being signed to sit in the stands (reasons as above).
I think there's built in "cover" with the squad as it stands. 7 D should be able to cope with one or two out; if more, we get a forward back there (Henderson's being raved about) and play three forward lines. Short term (1-4 weeks or so). Longer term injuries (5 weeks plus?) you need a replacement. But not necessarily overnight from day one (reasons as above).
These are my opinions. I am not "right". Other opinions are not "wrong". And vice versa.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 10, 2018 16:22:51 GMT
All I want from the club is something along the lines of 'Lower Body Injury with an estimate return in about 8 weeks'.
I don't want specifics, they aren't necessary to us fans. Just the timeframe is the most important and most sought after piece of information and we very very rarely get that.
On Sunday after Blaze played, in the interview with Stewart he discussed Venus' injury stating it would be 6-8 weeks until he returns. Immediately the fans then know that it's quite a bad injury and that for the next 2 months they'll be playing either short or they'll be seeing other players get more ice time. Done and dusted, no more questions to be asked, no fans pestering the club for information. Yet with Panthers, Tommy Hughes is allegedly dealing with a minor injury but has missed the last 2 weekends or so and there's been nothing to suggest he will or even could be ready for the weekend ahead, and people continue to ask.
If people were asking for injury specifics then I'd understand the club withholding that kind of information because there are teams and players who will target that kind of thing. It isn't asking too much for a time frame. Most if not all professional ice hockey leagues give out the time frames or keep fans up to date on a weekly basis or so if it's a more serious injury.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 16:28:34 GMT
When Dowd got hurt, it was quickly announced he would be sidlined for 4-6 weeks!! It really isn't difficult to disclose that info! It's common practice with most pro sports clubs across the globe ...but Not bloody panthers.. who continue to live in their own little world !!!
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Post by Mark on Oct 10, 2018 22:32:32 GMT
A estimate of the time a player will be sidelined would be nice. Possibly a problem for the management though, because fans might be more vocal about bringing in cover if they knew how long a player was likely to be injured.
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Post by iginla on Oct 10, 2018 22:54:15 GMT
A estimate of the time a player will be sidelined would be nice. Possibly a problem for the management though, because fans might be more vocal about bringing in cover if they knew how long a player was likely to be injured. I think that’s exactly why they don’t tell the fans the anticipated time a player will be missing. It’s certainly a very poor show though when the coach drops out a player like Rheault could be out 12-14 weeks yet the official club line has said not a peep.
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Post by wasteoftime on Oct 11, 2018 7:32:51 GMT
There's two constants since we moved to the new building. One don't give a monkey's while he's making money. One has the reputation of being someone who cares nothing for the supporters. In conclusion, seems like nothing will change, unless?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 7:46:12 GMT
There's two constants since we moved to the new building. One don't give a monkey's while he's making money. One has the reputation of being someone who cares nothing for the supporters. In conclusion, seems like nothing will change, unless? Exactly ... it's been 18 years of contempt tbh.. I've never liked the arena for various reasons as well. It's far too nicey nicey and has never been intimidating for the opposition. Panthers have never put their stamp on the place in all that time !
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Post by grrm on Oct 11, 2018 8:37:02 GMT
There's two constants since we moved to the new building. One don't give a monkey's while he's making money. One has the reputation of being someone who cares nothing for the supporters. In conclusion, seems like nothing will change, unless? Exactly ... it's been 18 years of contempt tbh.. I've never liked the arena for various reasons as well. It's far too nicey nicey and has never been intimidating for the opposition. Panthers have never put their stamp on the place in all that time ! ..and why does Ken keep encouraging the opposition fans to make some noise!!! We need to make the arena uncomfortable for opposing teams and fans alike. In the old barn I used to sit behind the away bench and we used to taunt and give them hell all night long, in fact one night Durham refused to continue unless 4 rows of spectators were removed - we proper got under their skin! The fact we now do just the opposite only compounds the feeling we really don’t care about winning - but just in making money.
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Post by Karl on Oct 11, 2018 9:09:03 GMT
Exactly ... it's been 18 years of contempt tbh.. I've never liked the arena for various reasons as well. It's far too nicey nicey and has never been intimidating for the opposition. Panthers have never put their stamp on the place in all that time ! ..and why does Ken keep encouraging the opposition fans to make some noise!!! We need to make the arena uncomfortable for opposing teams and fans alike. In the old barn I used to sit behind the away bench and we used to taunt and give them hell all night long, in fact one night Durham refused to continue unless 4 rows of spectators were removed - we proper got under their skin! The fact we now do just the opposite only compounds the feeling we really don’t care about winning - but just in making money. Because this is British hockey not British football. Why should we give paying spectators a hard time when they want to watch a game and be entertained the same as us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 9:52:50 GMT
..and why does Ken keep encouraging the opposition fans to make some noise!!! We need to make the arena uncomfortable for opposing teams and fans alike. In the old barn I used to sit behind the away bench and we used to taunt and give them hell all night long, in fact one night Durham refused to continue unless 4 rows of spectators were removed - we proper got under their skin! The fact we now do just the opposite only compounds the feeling we really don’t care about winning - but just in making money. Because this is British hockey not British football. Why should we give paying spectators a hard time when they want to watch a game and be entertained the same as us. Is this a serious post ?
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Post by iginla on Oct 11, 2018 10:05:27 GMT
Because this is British hockey not British football. Why should we give paying spectators a hard time when they want to watch a game and be entertained the same as us. Is this a serious post ? That’s just what I thought too Pidge. With an attitude like that we might as well just say to the opposition hey we’ll play with an empty net for a bit and let you go a couple of goals up just to make it easier for you. I wonder if it’s ever been said by other teams that the NIC is a “horrible rink to play in” because I’ve heard exactly that a thousand times when we play away. I bet it hasn’t been said about the NIC by many if anyone !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 10:09:04 GMT
I was brought up to play sport to win , and if I wasn't playing when I watch my team I hoped/expected us to play out best to get a win!! Football/hockey what's the difference apart from one has a bag of wind and the other uses to rubber thing to score with
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Oct 11, 2018 17:49:58 GMT
A estimate of the time a player will be sidelined would be nice. Possibly a problem for the management though, because fans might be more vocal about bringing in cover if they knew how long a player was likely to be injured. I think that’s exactly why they don’t tell the fans the anticipated time a player will be missing. It’s certainly a very poor show though when the coach drops out a player like Rheault could be out 12-14 weeks yet the official club line has said not a peep. Whilst I know what you mean, isn't Chernomaz part of the official club line? I'd rather hear it from him, someone who will know the ins and outs of hockey injuries and will be the person kept up to speed regarding progress at all times, than from GM or in a generic release. I do agree with the general consensus on here, but I'm more than happy that Rich is the person informing us, but it'd be nice if they were quicker to assess this and inform us sooner, especially when you consider that Hughes had a niggle and has now missed the last 3 games, and last played in September. That's more than a niggle for me.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2018 10:36:16 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ?
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Post by PantherB on Oct 12, 2018 10:40:23 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ? Don't particularly see why they can't just announce it now, they clearly have the tweets and more than likely have the article ready to go! They tweeted about having injury updates at some point today so hopefully it's fairly informative, though that's unlikely
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 12, 2018 10:43:44 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ? Apparently news from the physio department, so one would assume one of Olsen or Hughes is back, as Rheault is long term. Disappointing tweet timing though.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2018 10:50:47 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ? Don't particularly see why they can't just announce it now, they clearly have the tweets and more than likely have the article ready to go! They tweeted about having injury updates at some point today so hopefully it's fairly informative, though that's unlikely Probably in case we lose to Steelers on Saturday night and they need to deflect or bury bad news with good news on Monday ! 🤣 Lol But we’re not going to lose on Saturday are we,we can’t we’ve really gotta beat Sheffield this time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 11:05:37 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ? Apparently news from the physio department, so one would assume one of Olsen or Hughes is back, as Rheault is long term. Disappointing tweet timing though. Was on Hughes’ quiz team on Tuesday and he sounded very hopeful he’d be back this weekend. Will take it with a pinch of salt thouhg..
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 12, 2018 11:43:36 GMT
Don't particularly see why they can't just announce it now, they clearly have the tweets and more than likely have the article ready to go! They tweeted about having injury updates at some point today so hopefully it's fairly informative, though that's unlikely Probably in case we lose to Steelers on Saturday night and they need to deflect or bury bad news with good news on Monday ! 🤣 Lol But we’re not going to lose on Saturday are we,we can’t we’ve really gotta beat Sheffield this time. It’s only October but if we are going to have a serious shot at the league this year we are going to have to make sure that we get as many points as possible as I can’t see Cardiff dropping too many. Beating teams having problems should be a given at this point.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 12, 2018 12:12:25 GMT
Bit of an Ooops premature moment today from Calum but looks like could be signing news coming early next week ? Should be a forward as injury cover for Rhealt. As I mentioned in another thread there were two forwards being looked at as injury replacement. They were of similar quality apparently as well.
Calum hardly does the SM side anymore, it's with the rest of the team now.
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Post by EMB on Oct 12, 2018 12:29:41 GMT
Is is time for Mosey to reappear...lol
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2018 12:56:57 GMT
Is is time for Mosey to reappear...lol I’d like to see a Kolnik/Ling type experienced player who’s a good set up man.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 12, 2018 13:10:33 GMT
There’s a few quality players dotted about Europe who could fit the bill nicely, if imagine it’s one of two scenarios. We’ve been waiting on visa confirmation hence the delay or the guys coming from a European team and we’ve not long decided who to go with.
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