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Post by iginla on Jun 1, 2018 14:08:50 GMT
I liked Gagnon and I agree with the above assessment too. Sure, if there’s someone better, sign them, but I wouldn’t be disappointed with him returning. Can’t see any need for Gagnon with Olsen and Hughes on the blue line. We need two skilled offensive D now who can run a powerplay.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 1, 2018 17:46:47 GMT
It's who is spendng it, trust me. There's ALWAYS been a very very good budget available. You may know much more that I do, however Corey always struck me as a lazy recruiter. It was either ringinh up Ling for one of his mates (used to be Bruce Richardson’s mates too) or check 37 Hockey management. To be fair, I’ve no idea where Cherno has these contacts but they already seem a higher level that the coach has gone, found and put an offer in, rather than simply being handed. Lazy, maybe. I'd certainly say lazy during the season for injury cover which was a complete joke at times. I've not had too many issues with the starting rosters actually. More the slow or non reaction to injuries/clearly non performing players.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 1, 2018 21:00:10 GMT
Top draw signing, definitely a big body to try and get around!! Along with Hughes the D is shaping up nicely and we know the Billingsley will play his steady consistent game next year. I’d have Gagnon back because he was the toughest player in the league last year by a mile. We’ll have to wait and see
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 1, 2018 22:40:28 GMT
great signing
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Post by dexter on Jun 2, 2018 8:51:18 GMT
What's not to like? Great signing, loving Rick's work so far!
I'd still like to see some real toughness though. Would like to see Gagnon back or someone in his mould to give us that.
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Post by iginla on Jun 2, 2018 9:25:32 GMT
What's not to like? Great signing, loving Rick's work so far! I'd still like to see some real toughness though. Would like to see Gagnon back or someone in his mould to give us that. There’s no need for a real tough guy. Apart from Fitzgerald there’s nobody to fight and he hardly wanted to know Gagnon last season. A couple of big tough hard nosed Dmen is all you need and it looks like we’ve already got them. I’d hazard a guess there will be a tough power forward along soon who can throw a few too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 9:40:34 GMT
The early signs and with the style Cherno likes his will be entertaining to watch, playmakers and Tough d men. Add a couple of real marksmen on the top two lines and I ll be happy
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Post by iginla on Jun 2, 2018 10:44:40 GMT
The early signs and with the style Cherno likes his will be entertaining to watch, playmakers and Tough d men. Add a couple of real marksmen on the top two lines and I ll be happy I’m waiting to see the top line centre. Bet he doesn’t come from some second rate French team, Brampton Beast or somewhere similar this year !!!!
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 2, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
The early signs and with the style Cherno likes his will be entertaining to watch, playmakers and Tough d men. Add a couple of real marksmen on the top two lines and I ll be happy I’m waiting to see the top line centre. Bet he doesn’t come from some second rate French team, Brampton Beast or somewhere similar this year !!!! If its Luke Pither it will be. He was a Brampton player wasn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 11:14:12 GMT
I’m waiting to see the top line centre. Bet he doesn’t come from some second rate French team, Brampton Beast or somewhere similar this year !!!! If its Luke Pither it will be. He was a Brampton player wasn't he? I bet Luke Pither won't be top line. If he returns he ll be 2nd like I'd imagine
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 2, 2018 11:18:09 GMT
What's not to like? Great signing, loving Rick's work so far! I'd still like to see some real toughness though. Would like to see Gagnon back or someone in his mould to give us that. There’s no need for a real tough guy. Apart from Fitzgerald there’s nobody to fight and he hardly wanted to know Gagnon last season. A couple of big tough hard nosed Dmen is all you need and it looks like we’ve already got them. I’d hazard a guess there will be a tough power forward along soon who can throw a few too. Completly disagree. Fitzgerald didn't want to know, but that's because Gagnon was good at his job. Go with no tough guy and see how Fitz behaves then. We've seen this cycle all too often. The minute we don't have one and we start getting bullied people will be crying about why the coach didn't sign one. "Team Toughness" has never really worked before. Ultimatly Gagnon isn't an out and out goon anyway. He can play hockey too. As somebody already said it's about having the right people to fit the right roles. He is more than good enough for the 3rd D pairing. If he is your 5th/6th best Dman your D is in great shape. If you can find somebody else to log the minutes he does and contribute purely as a hockey player, be up there with the toughest in the league to keep others honest and show some of the passion we saw from Gagnon to gee his team mates up(Certainly not another McGratton) then i'm fine with him being replaced. I dont think we will get many better for the roles he plays.
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Post by iginla on Jun 2, 2018 11:18:15 GMT
If its Luke Pither it will be. He was a Brampton player wasn't he? I bet Luke Pither won't be top line. If he returns he ll be 2nd like I'd imagine That’s my thinking too. Good as he was,Pither should not be on Panthers top line. We should be expecting even better than him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 11:25:27 GMT
And unlike Neilson I bet Rich isn't asking players for recommendations either. We need that one player who we can build the team around like Roy and Martin and we can retain for a few years.. both the aforementioned have been with their clubs 5 years now roughly I think
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 2, 2018 12:04:27 GMT
There’s no need for a real tough guy. Apart from Fitzgerald there’s nobody to fight and he hardly wanted to know Gagnon last season. A couple of big tough hard nosed Dmen is all you need and it looks like we’ve already got them. I’d hazard a guess there will be a tough power forward along soon who can throw a few too. Completly disagree. Fitzgerald didn't want to know, but that's because Gagnon was good at his job. Go with no tough guy and see how Fitz behaves then. We've seen this cycle all too often. The minute we don't have one and we start getting bullied people will be crying about why the coach didn't sign one. "Team Toughness" has never really worked before. Ultimatly Gagnon isn't an out and out goon anyway. He can play hockey too. As somebody already said it's about having the right people to fit the right roles. He is more than good enough for the 3rd D pairing. If he is your 5th/6th best Dman your D is in great shape. If you can find somebody else to log the minutes he does and contribute purely as a hockey player, be up there with the toughest in the league to keep others honest and show some of the passion we saw from Gagnon to gee his team mates up(Certainly not another McGratton) then i'm fine with him being replaced. I dont think we will get many better for the roles he plays. 100% this. You always need an enforcer imo. All the years Panthers havnt had one we've regretted it. I like the fact that Hughes and Oslen are big tough dmen. But they shouldnt be dropping the gloves with the toughest guys in the league. They are back up toughness. Ive said before id be happy with Gagnon, i think the above assesment is pretty spot on. If you look at player stats Olsen and Sauve had very similar numbers, so im expect Olsen to contribute similar. Get Gagnon and a tradition dman and i think we have a very good balanced defence.
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Post by Joe on Jun 2, 2018 13:14:48 GMT
If Fitzgerald is the only enforcer in the league, is there that much point in having a player that can match him especially as he’s only at Braehead. Also is the reason team toughness hasn’t worked before, because of multiple enforcers throughout the league and not just one?
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 2, 2018 13:24:45 GMT
If Fitzgerald is the only enforcer in the league, is there that much point in having a player that can match him especially as he’s only at Braehead. Also is the reason team toughness hasn’t worked before, because of multiple enforcers throughout the league and not just one? Plenty of tough guys on other teams last year. Not too many fights in Panthers games but there wil have been a few reasons for that. Firstly Gagnon was argueably the toughest and not many wanted to fight him and secondly, I think Corey appeared to keep Gagnon as with McGratton and Janssen before away from fighting as much as possible. A great enforcer doesn't have to fight that often, their presence is often enough to keep the opponents honest. How many fights did Janssen actually have? And as I said. Gagnon is good enough to contribute as a 3rd pairing Dman anyway. It's the full package. I'd agree with the point more if it were just an out and out goon we were talking about. Then, in this day and age it is probably a waste of an import slot.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 2, 2018 14:17:15 GMT
If Fitzgerald is the only enforcer in the league, is there that much point in having a player that can match him especially as he’s only at Braehead. Also is the reason team toughness hasn’t worked before, because of multiple enforcers throughout the league and not just one? Plenty of tough guys on other teams last year. Not too many fights in Panthers games but there wil have been a few reasons for that. Firstly Gagnon was argueably the toughest and not many wanted to fight him and secondly, I think Corey appeared to keep Gagnon as with McGratton and Janssen before away from fighting as much as possible. A great enforcer doesn't have to fight that often, their presence is often enough to keep the opponents honest. How many fights did Janssen actually have? And as I said. Gagnon is good enough to contribute as a 3rd pairing Dman anyway. It's the full package. I'd agree with the point more if it were just an out and out goon we were talking about. Then, in this day and age it is probably a waste of an import slot. 12 fights for Janssen. 133 fights in the EIHL in total that year. www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights/LeagueSeason.aspx?League=2&Season=2016
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Post by wasteoftime on Jun 2, 2018 14:26:32 GMT
I'm willing to bet that most teams will have an enforcer come the start of the season.
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Post by iginla on Jun 2, 2018 16:41:54 GMT
Cardiff seem to have done pretty well the last couple of years without an out and out enforcer. They’ve just had the odd tough Dman. 🤔
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Post by shinobi on Jun 2, 2018 17:00:57 GMT
I liked Gagnon and I agree with the above assessment too. Sure, if there’s someone better, sign them, but I wouldn’t be disappointed with him returning. Can’t see any need for Gagnon with Olsen and Hughes on the blue line. We need two skilled offensive D now who can run a powerplay. Yeah I forgot they’d re-signed Billingsley; with him, Lee, Olsen & Hughes, the defensive unit is looking good at this moment in time. Two additional defence men & a new starting netminder, and I’ll be happy.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 2, 2018 17:46:38 GMT
Cardiff seem to have done pretty well the last couple of years without an out and out enforcer. They’ve just had the odd tough Dman. 🤔 Whilst last year they may not have. Depending on how you view Hotham and Strachen. They certainly did before that. Bordeleau was only the previous season. The key point still stands that Gagnon is a decent hockey player too. He may not be the best but he will likely log 15/20 mins a game and largely not be a liability. Gagnon isn't an out and out fighter. He is a Dman who can fight who just happens to be hard as nails. I have no issue if the coach goes with somebody else who can fill that role, forward or Dman. As long as he is an overall upgrade and fits with the team its fine. I personally feel Gagnon fits with what we have so far quite nicely.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 2, 2018 18:33:39 GMT
We need a tough guy, what’s the point of Olsen and Hughes sitting in the box when we need them on the ice. Gagnon knows the role, knows the league, knows the refs and best of all other coaches and players know what he can do. He’s a no brainer to bring back should he want to. Cardiff have had tough guys the last few years, they’ve had Mark Louis the last two years, Batch, Bordy, Lord, Faryna, Hotham, Haddad, Mychan. All guys who have and would fight and can do so well. Panthers will end up with Gagnon or tough guy and I’d bet a proper power forward (salters esc) Just maybe not labelled as a tough guy.
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Post by wgray on Jun 2, 2018 18:41:26 GMT
I think that we need to allow Hughes and Olsen to focus on being on the ice and stopping opposition from scoring. If Fitzgerald, Paquette, Faryna, Rosehill et al are going to be in the league next season Gagnon is a no brainer.
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Post by iginla on Jun 2, 2018 19:57:10 GMT
We need a tough guy, what’s the point of Olsen and Hughes sitting in the box when we need them on the ice. Gagnon knows the role, knows the league, knows the refs and best of all other coaches and players know what he can do. He’s a no brainer to bring back should he want to. Cardiff have had tough guys the last few years, they’ve had Mark Louis the last two years, Batch, Bordy, Lord, Faryna, Hotham, Haddad, Mychan. All guys who have and would fight and can do so well. Panthers will end up with Gagnon or tough guy and I’d bet a proper power forward (salters esc) Just maybe not labelled as a tough guy. But all those Cardiff players you list are just tough players who will fight if necessary,just like Olsen and Hughes would. The only enforcer the Devils had was Bordeleau and he would hardly fight,other than to get revenge on that Coventry guy who had sucker punched him previously. Why is it ok for Hotham,Lord or Haddad etc to fight and sit in the box.....but “oh my word we don’t want Olsen or Hughes fighting because we need them on the ice ?
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Post by wgray on Jun 2, 2018 20:09:58 GMT
We need a tough guy, what’s the point of Olsen and Hughes sitting in the box when we need them on the ice. Gagnon knows the role, knows the league, knows the refs and best of all other coaches and players know what he can do. He’s a no brainer to bring back should he want to. Cardiff have had tough guys the last few years, they’ve had Mark Louis the last two years, Batch, Bordy, Lord, Faryna, Hotham, Haddad, Mychan. All guys who have and would fight and can do so well. Panthers will end up with Gagnon or tough guy and I’d bet a proper power forward (salters esc) Just maybe not labelled as a tough guy. But all those Cardiff players you list are just tough players who will fight if necessary,just like Olsen and Hughes would. The only enforcer the Devils had was Bordeleau and he would hardly fight,other than to get revenge on that Coventry guy who had sucker punched him previously. Why is it ok for Hotham,Lord or Haddad etc to fight and sit in the box.....but “oh my word we don’t want Olsen or Hughes fighting because we need them on the ice ? I cant recall them 3 having a fight last season, Cardiff’s out and out enforcer was Faryna. We need a player that is a deterrent, not somebody who will fight if they have to.
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