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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2018 23:57:38 GMT
I said on numbers....look at his stats,he's better than Robins and Kowalski on GA and Saves %. Unfortunately,we never saw the big games,because one year he had a crap team around him and the other year he got injured in Coventry in the play off quarter final and we brought Kudrna in for play off weekend. Forget stats. Both played in different eras one faced far better players than the other Ah but Pidge. If your saying one faced better quality opposing forwards,which would probably be the case. But it also means the goalie had better quality D men in front of him too ! Now be fair old boy,ya can't have it just one way. Lol 😄
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Post by nottssogood on Jan 24, 2018 6:30:57 GMT
Russ Timmins......🤪 now I am showing my age! Brian Cox in nets was crazy but I really enjoyed watching Terry Kurtenbach, Pure quality
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Post by wasteoftime on Jan 24, 2018 8:14:45 GMT
Cant believe no one has mentioned the best captain and one of the finest game changers we've ever had. Jordan Fox. My favorite all time player Zuke.
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Post by shinobi on Jan 24, 2018 9:55:03 GMT
I said on numbers....look at his stats,he's better than Robins and Kowalski on GA and Saves %. Unfortunately,we never saw the big games,because one year he had a crap team around him and the other year he got injured in Coventry in the play off quarter final and we brought Kudrna in for play off weekend. Forget stats. Both played in different eras one faced far better players than the other Agree 100% as all of Robins’ games were ISL games, not EIHL. No comparison in quality.
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Post by shinobi on Jan 24, 2018 9:55:51 GMT
Simon was also another player who kept getting tapped up by sheffield and only ever played for one club Forgot about Ross what a player he was, didnt he replace someone who we actually released pre season? Yes, Tyler Larter.
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2018 10:55:04 GMT
Forget stats. Both played in different eras one faced far better players than the other Agree 100% as all of Robins’ games were ISL games, not EIHL. No comparison in quality. I don't agree. We've had goalies who've played way higher level than the EIHL and a lot of their stats are poor in this league...look at Garnett ! In the ISL days yes you had better forwards,but better D men too. If you were a goalie facing good forwards,who would you rather have in front of you,Billingsley,Gagnon and Spang or Paek,Charron and Thompson. Crikey,Cruickshank had some shocking D in front of him containing the likes of Krulis,Magdosko,Sebastien yet he still posted saves % of 92/93 and goals against of 2.0 or less.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:26:49 GMT
Agree 100% as all of Robins’ games were ISL games, not EIHL. No comparison in quality. I don't agree. We've had goalies who've played way higher level than the EIHL and a lot of their stats are poor in this league...look at Garnett ! In the ISL days yes you had better forwards,but better D men too. If you were a goalie facing good forwards,who would you rather have in front of you,Billingsley,Gagnon and Spang or Paek,Charron and Thompson. Crikey,Cruickshank had some shocking D in front of him containing the likes of Krulis,Magdosko,Sebastien yet he still posted saves % of 92/93 and goals against of 2.0 or less. To be things into perspective for you Iginla.. when Kent Simpson was playing Sheffield in 2001 he was 4th line/spare forward... He returned to them in the eihl... as a first line forward Isl defences were a hell of a lot better but shots still got through.. Seriously you put CC in the isl his stats would be in the 80's %
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:28:34 GMT
I saw CC have absolute mares and pulled seen him pull himself.
I never saw Robins have a bad game.. at a much higher level
Serrieioy comparing Cruickskank with Robins is like comparing a Audi with a fiesta!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:33:54 GMT
Best rephrase that! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jan 24, 2018 15:19:48 GMT
I saw CC have absolute mares and pulled seen him pull himself. I never saw Robins have a bad game.. at a much higher level Serrieioy comparing Cruickskank with Robins is like comparing a Audi with a fiesta! not even the match when he got chucked out for trying to cut Ian Cooper in half. Robins came and sat one row in front of me after he'd got changed and I almost * gave him a piece of my mind. (* but didn't, because a) he's bigger than me, b) I can't really blame him as Ian Cooper (and his ponytail) was extremely annoying, and c) he's much bigger than me. I thought that Robins was the better keeper, when he arrived we'd never seen anything like him.
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Post by simonm on Jan 24, 2018 15:41:10 GMT
Comparing past players is pointless. What matters is how they made you feel on the night... Did they perform as desired to their abilities.
Over the years I've learnt to not follow the puck but instead follow the players as I've found its the players that make me attend.
When Cam Janson stepped onto the ice my eyes would follow him around the ice from one player to next being knocked onto their backsides.
Now I'm not ashamed to say I watch Moky as his positional play off the puck and whilst in possession is worth the entrance fee.
Whome was better than whome or who was 'average' when it comes to a past player is never a satisfying conversation.
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Post by messier1851 on Jan 24, 2018 15:43:22 GMT
While over watching a game in New York about 12 or so years ago, wearing our Panthers tops, a guy came over and starting chatting to us about the Panthers and British hockey in general. It transpired he had a brief stint over here as coach of the Murrayfield Racers and was now a scout with the Washington Capitals. He asked who had come over recently from the American minors and we mentioned Cruicker, who was at Basingstoke at the time and was regularly making 45/50 saves a night behind a pretty patchy D.
"Curtis Cruickshank?!" He said. "No way. No. Way." Turned out he had been part of the team who had been responsible for drafting CC for the Caps and that he hadn't quite lived up to expectation. He then delivered this immortal line.
"I used to go over to our goalie coach and I would say, OH BOY, Cruickshank is one hell of an athlete....... I mean, the way he dodges that puck is incredible!"
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2018 16:09:59 GMT
I saw CC have absolute mares and pulled seen him pull himself. I never saw Robins have a bad game.. at a much higher level Serrieioy comparing Cruickskank with Robins is like comparing a Audi with a fiesta! I never said Cruickshank was better than Robins. I couldn’t as I never saw Robins play,I’m just basing it on numbers. Based on EIHL numbers though Cruickshank was better than any other goalie we’ve had,including ex top level big league guys like Garnett or Rasto and lower CV guys like Kowalski,Robinson,St Pierre,Askey etc. You don’t consistently post Cruickshank’s Panthers numbers if he was a bad goalie.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Jan 24, 2018 19:21:50 GMT
Comparing past players is pointless. What matters is how they made you feel on the night... Did they perform as desired to their abilities. Over the years I've learnt to not follow the puck but instead follow the players as I've found its the players that make me attend. When Cam Janson stepped onto the ice my eyes would follow him around the ice from one player to next being knocked onto their backsides. Now I'm not ashamed to say I watch Moky as his positional play off the puck and whilst in possession is worth the entrance fee. Whome was better than whome or who was 'average' when it comes to a past player is never a satisfying conversation. I used to watch Cam every session too rather than the puck. He was like a shark lining up a seal. I loved that final burst of speed as he crashed his opponent into the boards. The odd time he missed them by a fraction I used to think they were lucky so and so’s. Give me Cam’s enthusiasm over McGrattan’s extra points tally all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:32:09 GMT
Interesting that no-one has mentioned John Craighead. Now he was one to watch off the puck, and IMHO was a very entertaining player in his day.
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Post by ant on Jan 24, 2018 22:16:55 GMT
I saw CC have absolute mares and pulled seen him pull himself. I never saw Robins have a bad game.. at a much higher level Serrieioy comparing Cruickskank with Robins is like comparing a Audi with a fiesta! You must of missed the game for London v us when he imploded...
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Post by ant on Jan 24, 2018 22:25:10 GMT
I don't think that's called for ant..... Don't we have enough negative topics for you to post in. Only an opinion. I saw them and at the time supported them all. It's just that these imports played alongside mainly Brits but were not exceptional and delivered little success that's all. Belanger for example joined an unbeaten Panthers team ( replacing Blaiser who you didn't mention ) after our cup panning of Cardiff in Sheffield. We then subsequently nosedived. Some other the other guys you mentioned such as Kelland and Brebant had their best days for other clubs, whereas Hadddn and Adey were top points scorers in the ISL and Adey was part our first playoff success. They have had shirts retired and played for many years. I'm not trying to be negative.Only my view...
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2018 22:44:10 GMT
I saw CC have absolute mares and pulled seen him pull himself. I never saw Robins have a bad game.. at a much higher level Serrieioy comparing Cruickskank with Robins is like comparing a Audi with a fiesta! You must of missed the game for London v us when he imploded... Cruickshank.didn't play for London. He played for Basingstoke the year before he came to Panthers. They were a poor team,but he still managed a saves record of over 92%.
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Post by ant on Jan 24, 2018 22:50:51 GMT
I meant Robins. Had a stinker for London.
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Post by Old Timer on Jan 25, 2018 13:07:11 GMT
Curtis C was a good, but not exceptional nettie. He followed a selection of underwhelming netminders, so looked good.
His biggest failing was that he didn't turn up to the big games.
That might have been a mentality issue, or, that faced with real quality, he couldn't cope
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 13:45:00 GMT
Curtis C was a good, but not exceptional nettie. He followed a selection of underwhelming netminders, so looked good. His biggest failing was that he didn't turn up to the big games. That might have been a mentality issue, or, that faced with real quality, he couldn't cope And that's something you could never level with Robins from what I remember he always turned up in the big games!
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 25, 2018 13:51:35 GMT
Curtis C was a good, but not exceptional nettie. He followed a selection of underwhelming netminders, so looked good. His biggest failing was that he didn't turn up to the big games. That might have been a mentality issue, or, that faced with real quality, he couldn't cope And that's something you could never level with Robins from what I remember he always turned up in the big games! As did Kowalski. He record in big games was immense!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
And that's something you could never level with Robins from what I remember he always turned up in the big games! As did Kowalski. He record in big games was immense! Yup but as the standard of the eihl wasn't as high....
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 25, 2018 19:57:58 GMT
Tie break ...... How many goals did kowalski and robins each score?
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Post by simonm on Jan 25, 2018 20:54:00 GMT
Boring..... Let's instead find out how big their appendages are, just as relevant in this debate.
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