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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 8, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
What are we now Pidge,nearly 20 games into the season and we havnt blown anybody out the water yet. And most domestic games are worryingly following a very similar pattern. Next weekend is a very big one. Lose those two and that laser needs refocusing pretty quickly ! in every one of those games have we been the better team? Not the games we lost no. We were the better team if you are a Panthers supporter but would anyone honestly say that our defence was as good as theirs? Netminders are counting the days until they play us to boost their egos at this point. We start like we are on fire but don’t convert and a lot of our passing against domestic teams has been terrible. Wide open spaces at the back with our defence anywhere but where it should be and if your power play is crap (which it is) then you are going to lose every time against teams with an ounce of go in them. Pretty sure this is a lot to do with the CHL downside that a lot of teams go through but there were times last night when we didn’t look anywhere near as good as Sheffield.
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Post by DMS on Oct 8, 2017 16:44:20 GMT
in every one of those games have we been the better team? That's the big worry. It's no good being the better team nearly every game if you lose half of them though ! 🙄 Delargo not scoring. Clarkey not scoring. Phillips not scoring. Mosey not scoring. I doubt they've got ten goals between them all season have they. They're supposed to be the big guns !! 😕 Phillips wasn't ever gonna be a goal scorer, he's effective in what he does. You can't blame Mosey too much either with him being chop and changed between forward and defence so frequently.
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Post by iginla on Oct 8, 2017 16:59:16 GMT
That's the big worry. It's no good being the better team nearly every game if you lose half of them though ! 🙄 Delargo not scoring. Clarkey not scoring. Phillips not scoring. Mosey not scoring. I doubt they've got ten goals between them all season have they. They're supposed to be the big guns !! 😕 Phillips wasn't ever gonna be a goal scorer, he's effective in what he does. You can't blame Mosey too much either with him being chop and changed between forward and defence so frequently. Phillips was a 1st round NHL pick,he might not be an out and out goal scorer,but he should be potting a fair few goals playing on the top line. Mosey has disappointed me so far. Doesn't look the player he was and doesn't finish many of the numerous chances he gets. I love the guy for several reasons,but he's over rated up front. Delargo and Clarkey are the two letting the team down, they're both goal scorers. What they got so far....about 4 goals between them ! 😩
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Post by wgray on Oct 8, 2017 17:04:32 GMT
in every one of those games have we been the better team? That's the big worry. It's no good being the better team nearly every game if you lose half of them though ! 🙄 Delargo not scoring. Clarkey not scoring. Phillips not scoring. Mosey not scoring. I doubt they've got ten goals between them all season have they. They're supposed to be the big guns !! 😕 Clarke can't be relied on for goals, not on the third line with Brown and Erik, the line hasn't been firing in recent games as Brown is the only one with any creativity. I agree with you the rest aren't firing, looking at performances so far though Phillips isn't a natural goal scorer, he is a play maker and a good one who needs someone who is going to sit in front of the net, Derlago and Mosey don't do this. Corey needs to reshuffle the lines to get something working, looking at styles of play so far I'd try Mokshantsev Phillips Bussieres Farmer Perlini Shalla Derlago Brown Mosey Lindhagen Lacho Ollie Clarke Those first three lines should get you goals, on the third line Brown can do the dirty work in deep and feed the puck off for Derlago and Mosey to combine. The 2nd stays the same as they are scoring. The first line consists of our best three players imo, Bussieres wins the puck in deep, can play on the boards, Phillips can make your killer pass and Mokshantsev has the ability to score. The 4th is a shut down line and that is it. Clarke is the spare. We have to try something different.
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Post by Mark on Oct 8, 2017 17:42:17 GMT
Time for Neilson to earn his wages. We don’t score enough goals and the powerplay is worse than ever. We’ve been stellar in the CHL but we are not going to win that particular competition. Come season’s end it will be the domestic cups and our progress in those in which the success of the campaign will be judged. Currently we are well off the pace.
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Post by wgray on Oct 8, 2017 18:39:53 GMT
in every one of those games have we been the better team? Not the games we lost no. We were the better team if you are a Panthers supporter but would anyone honestly say that our defence was as good as theirs? Netminders are counting the days until they play us to boost their egos at this point. We start like we are on fire but don’t convert and a lot of our passing against domestic teams has been terrible. Wide open spaces at the back with our defence anywhere but where it should be and if your power play is crap (which it is) then you are going to lose every time against teams with an ounce of go in them. Pretty sure this is a lot to do with the CHL downside that a lot of teams go through but there were times last night when we didn’t look anywhere near as good as Sheffield. how didn't we look as good as Sheffield? The first two periods we were all over them, multiple chances should have been put away, we should have been out of sight after the first period, it was only the third where we seemed to look tired and Sheffield played a bit more.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 8, 2017 19:30:16 GMT
Brought some friends who are Arsenal fans along as they were in town. Said it was just like watching Arsenal. Dominate and lose!
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Post by Higgy on Oct 8, 2017 19:48:07 GMT
Brought some friends who are Arsenal fans along as they were in town. Said it was just like watching Arsenal. Dominate and lose! I've been thinking exactly the same thing
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Post by ted logan on Oct 8, 2017 20:01:32 GMT
Brought some friends who are Arsenal fans along as they were in town. Said it was just like watching Arsenal. Dominate and lose! I've been thinking exactly the same thing That is the exact analogy I used when describing last nights game to a mate who couldn’t attend
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 8, 2017 20:09:55 GMT
Whatever reshuffling of lines that may or may not be done... for pity's sake, leave the Farmer/Perlini/Shalla line intact! And, to be honest, I don't think there should really be any criticism of the Betteridge/Bussieres/Lachowicz line... sure, they've made some mistakes - but they're punching above their weight, I think.
The question is - what to do with the others?
Brown Clarke Derlago Lindhagen Mokshantsev Mosey Phillips
What is the most effective organisation of the other two lines? I could see an argument for all sorts of combinations, including some that on the face of it would seem quite odd...
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Post by iginla on Oct 8, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
Whatever reshuffling of lines that may or may not be done... for pity's sake, leave the Farmer/Perlini/Shalla line intact! And, to be honest, I don't think there should really be any criticism of the Betteridge/Bussieres/Lachowicz line... sure, they've made some mistakes - but they're punching above their weight, I think. The question is - what to do with the others? Brown Clarke Derlago Lindhagen Mokshantsev Mosey Phillips What is the most effective organisation of the other two lines? I could see an argument for all sorts of combinations, including some that on the face of it would seem quite odd... Well I guess you've got 3 skilled guys in Mokshantsev,Phillips and Derlago and 3 workhorses in Brown,Lindhagen and Mosey. Then you've got Clarkey who is neither of those things ! So Mokshantsev,Phillips,Brown.....Derlargo,Lindhagen,Mosey And Clarkey can sit on the bench.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 8, 2017 21:17:50 GMT
Everyone is now saying Cory should switch the lines etc. ---------------------------------------------------Waits now for the complaints that we do not play settled lines. Agree that something needs to be done, not necessarily tampering with the lines, needs to get the players shooting at the net and not faffing around, and clear our end ASAP
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 8, 2017 22:30:38 GMT
Everyone is now saying Cory should switch the lines etc. ---------------------------------------------------Waits now for the complaints that we do not play settled lines. Agree that something needs to be done, not necessarily tampering with the lines, needs to get the players shooting at the net and not faffing around, and clear our end ASAP Now come on, the complaints were never about not having settled lines, it was that we didn't have any lines! There is tinkering (be it on the fly in game or between games) and there is Corey's special random number generated line combos that change shift to shift.
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Post by fyfe on Oct 9, 2017 11:00:16 GMT
For me Corey did switch lines on Saturday, he gave Clarke the start ahead of Ollie who has impressed this year and MOKSHANTSEV seems to get moved from line to line at times, need to bench Clarke in my opinion.
For me the most disappointing player is Shalla, while he is on a scoring line (7 out of 19 goals have come from line 2), he was brought in to score goals and has managed 1 in the league so far.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Oct 9, 2017 20:33:36 GMT
listening to moseys interview he seems to think having 40 shots per game and scoring as little as we do is nothing to worry about. God knows what Corey is telling them! is rather have less shots and be more clinical! this team is massively miss firing in the league, shalla,mosey,phillips particularly disappointing for me. i dont think garnetts performances in the league have lived up to his resume either.
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2017 21:07:59 GMT
To be quite honest,I don't think we created many decent chances at all in this game. We may have had 48 shots,but how many grade "A" scoring chances did we have....very very few !
All we did for the whole game was shoot from average to long range either straight at Moose,or sometimes created a rebound which the Steelers defence cleared with complete ease all night long.
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Post by texpef on Oct 10, 2017 10:10:44 GMT
The amount of wake up calls this team have had in the domestic competitions you would have thought they would have been up had breakfast, lunch and be starting on tea by now...
This laser focus we were assured was happening this season had better start soon because we will soon be playing catch-up to our competitors which as we know is not something we have excelled at in Nottingham under CN..
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Post by panthersdave on Oct 10, 2017 10:18:50 GMT
I know games in hand aren’t the same as points on the board, but IF we do win our games in hand we are joint top.
Far too early to panic.
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Post by wgray on Oct 10, 2017 10:24:56 GMT
I know games in hand aren’t the same as points on the board, but IF we do win our games in hand we are joint top. Far too early to panic. I completely agree, it's not as if there are other teams walking away with it at this early stage. Sheffield and Belfast have been battered in Coventry, Cardiff lost at the weekend again, Sheffield lost to Belfast twice the other weekend. The league is even stronger and even closer, any team can win on any night, I think people need to realise that.
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Post by messier1851 on Oct 10, 2017 11:45:35 GMT
Not sure if anyone has any of these kind of stats but it's worth remembering not everyone starts like a house on fire in their first season in the EIHL.
I'd be intrigued to know how the likes of Sean McAslan, Bruce Graham etc fared when they first arrived in the league. I remember Corey saying himself after his first season when he was pretty poor for 2/3rds of the time that adapting to the big ice and increase in ice time was really tough.
Regarding David Clarke, he turned 36 before the season started, as good as he has been in black and gold, he won't go on forever and I think we would do well to manage his ice time.
Finally, I will admit I haven't seen us play much this season but is the reason our CHL form has been so good because we play well countering with our speed but will find it harder in the league against teams who will show us to the outside, collapse around their goalie and try to counter against us. If so, hasn't this been a problem for many years!
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