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Post by thepanther1 on Apr 30, 2017 20:15:17 GMT
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Post by thebestpanthers on Apr 30, 2017 20:30:45 GMT
Think that the title of this thread should be "State" not "Slate" - but then on hindsight maybe "Slate" is the correct word after all - many valid points that most fans will concur with - think we all know who he was referring to with the "Club official" comment - will it have any effect ----------------------------------------------NO - shame
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Post by spik on May 1, 2017 9:15:29 GMT
Interesting as it mentions how fans should be more involved. .....Supporters Trust coming at this time too.
Again, no frowning as to what he means by an official who speaks out if turn, unpunished.
As I read through it dawned on me that these concerns have been with us and debated for some time. Same old.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 10:01:47 GMT
Brilliant letter from Clarkson - thanks for the link. With regards to the Trust, for those who don't know the paperwork to legally form the Trust went off last week. Very positive feedback from Supporters Direct and we hope to be able to report positive news shortly.
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Post by iginla on May 1, 2017 12:12:38 GMT
Brilliant letter from Clarkson - thanks for the link. With regards to the Trust, for those who don't know the paperwork to legally form the Trust went off last week. Very positive feedback from Supporters Direct and we hope to be able to report positive news shortly. Any positive feedback from Panthers yet ? |
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Post by wildwood on May 1, 2017 14:16:59 GMT
Interesting as it mentions how fans should be more involved. .....Supporters Trust coming at this time too. I actually think this is more about helping to operate the business rather than necessarily a 'Supporters Trust'. Traditionally in British sport we govern our sport with well-meaning volunteers - inevitable given the minimal resources most run on. This has to move on to being more business-like & recruiting people into clubs with the right skills sets to help the business prosper. This also starts at the top. One governing body is a must & a clear pathway for players to progress from one level to the next. Farm teams & franchises are not well received in the UK generally however for sports like hockey, it would make sense if managed well. |
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Post by iginla on May 1, 2017 14:35:20 GMT
Interesting as it mentions how fans should be more involved. .....Supporters Trust coming at this time too. I actually think this is more about helping to operate the business rather than necessarily a 'Supporters Trust'. Traditionally in British sport we govern our sport with well-meaning volunteers - inevitable given the minimal resources most run on. This has to move on to being more business-like & recruiting people into clubs with the right skills sets to help the business prosper. This also starts at the top. One governing body is a must & a clear pathway for players to progress from one level to the next. Farm teams & franchises are not well received in the UK generally however for sports like hockey, it would make sense if managed well. With the likes of Panthers though,you are just flogging a dead horse. They barely even engage with or make use of any connection with the Lions in the same arena,or the guys from TCW who could offer loads of good things ! |
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Post by DMS on May 1, 2017 16:43:47 GMT
Brilliant letter from Clarkson - thanks for the link. With regards to the Trust, for those who don't know the paperwork to legally form the Trust went off last week. Very positive feedback from Supporters Direct and we hope to be able to report positive news shortly. Any positive feedback from Panthers yet ? i still don't understand what the end goal of the supporters trust is. |
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Post by spik on May 1, 2017 18:23:54 GMT
Any positive feedback from Panthers yet ? i still don't understand what the end goal of the supporters trust is. Reason to attend the meetings, read the website, call the organiser. But would not just having a better relationship with the club be ok? |
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Post by pingchowchi on May 1, 2017 19:42:17 GMT
The thing that also worries me is now that some teams know that they can force their way on everyone, how long before they force a lowering of the import limit?
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Post by DMS on May 1, 2017 20:50:51 GMT
i still don't understand what the end goal of the supporters trust is. Reason to attend the meetings, read the website, call the organiser. But would not just having a better relationship with the club be ok? I've spoken to them and I still do not understand the end goal. Having a better relationship isn't a tangible goal you can't quantify it as a success because it doesn't mean anything will change. The fact that the trust was "sold" for want as a better word with the thought things may stand a better chance of something changing because the club legally had to meet with the trust turned out to be a false dawn still makes me question the need for the trust when the club is financially stable and this is all born from the fact that not many players were here in time for last seasons preseason game when this is a regular occurrence for most preseasons. |
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Post by spik on May 1, 2017 21:12:43 GMT
Reason to attend the meetings, read the website, call the organiser. But would not just having a better relationship with the club be ok? I've spoken to them and I still do not understand the end goal. Having a better relationship isn't a tangible goal you can't quantify it as a success because it doesn't mean anything will change. The fact that the trust was "sold" for want as a better word with the thought things may stand a better chance of something changing because the club legally had to meet with the trust turned out to be a false dawn still makes me question the need for the trust when the club is financially stable and this is all born from the fact that not many players were here in time for last seasons preseason game when this is a regular occurrence for most preseasons. Not going to debate what anyone's idea of what seems tangible or not, I think it's a good start. Why is not having good relations a better thing for us fans. It's been so understandable in the past how the fans are held at arms length.Having a good banter with the club will be a change for starters. It's true that the club having to attend certain meetings was mentioned.I believe this is because it remains so in the sport of football but not Ice Hockey, we'd be the first.Most trusts are based around that game. Trusts were mainly born out of failing footy clubs and fans stepped in to help there clubs not go under. Nottingham Forest have a trust. They seem stable. The governing body seems happy with the idea of a trust. |
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Post by iginla on May 1, 2017 21:20:18 GMT
Reason to attend the meetings, read the website, call the organiser. But would not just having a better relationship with the club be ok? I've spoken to them and I still do not understand the end goal. Having a better relationship isn't a tangible goal you can't quantify it as a success because it doesn't mean anything will change. The fact that the trust was "sold" for want as a better word with the thought things may stand a better chance of something changing because the club legally had to meet with the trust turned out to be a false dawn still makes me question the need for the trust when the club is financially stable and this is all born from the fact that not many players were here in time for last seasons preseason game when this is a regular occurrence for most preseasons. There is a desperate need for better communication between Panthers club and the fans,but how you achieve that is the hard part. I still find it extremely difficult to understand why ANY sports club would not want a good relationship with its fans,not want a supporters club etc etc,but unfortunately it seems that Panthers are that team which doesn't. They basically made life difficult for and disbanded their own supporters club and effectively cut off any connection between club and fans a few years ago. The new trust is a genuine attempt to make a connection once more,with the club. Unfortunately,this will only achieve anything IF Panthers are willing to engage,which unfortunately they are not. |
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Post by iginla on May 1, 2017 21:55:11 GMT
I've spoken to them and I still do not understand the end goal. Having a better relationship isn't a tangible goal you can't quantify it as a success because it doesn't mean anything will change. The fact that the trust was "sold" for want as a better word with the thought things may stand a better chance of something changing because the club legally had to meet with the trust turned out to be a false dawn still makes me question the need for the trust when the club is financially stable and this is all born from the fact that not many players were here in time for last seasons preseason game when this is a regular occurrence for most preseasons. Not going to debate what anyone's idea of what seems tangible or not, I think it's a good start. Why is not having good relations a better thing for us fans. It's been so understandable in the past how the fans are held at arms length.Having a good banter with the club will be a change for starters. It's true that the club having to attend certain meetings was mentioned.I believe this is because it remains so in the sport of football but not Ice Hockey, we'd be the first.Most trusts are based around that game. Trusts were mainly born out of failing footy clubs and fans stepped in to help there clubs not go under. Nottingham Forest have a trust. They seem stable. The governing body seems happy with the idea of a trust. If I'm reading your post right Spik,you seem to now be saying that Panthers don't legally have to attend any ST meetings ? This is exactly what I said would happen six months ago and people said I was talking rubbish. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 23:36:38 GMT
Not going to debate what anyone's idea of what seems tangible or not, I think it's a good start. Why is not having good relations a better thing for us fans. It's been so understandable in the past how the fans are held at arms length.Having a good banter with the club will be a change for starters. It's true that the club having to attend certain meetings was mentioned.I believe this is because it remains so in the sport of football but not Ice Hockey, we'd be the first.Most trusts are based around that game. Trusts were mainly born out of failing footy clubs and fans stepped in to help there clubs not go under. Nottingham Forest have a trust. They seem stable. The governing body seems happy with the idea of a trust. If I'm reading your post right Spik,you seem to now be saying that Panthers don't legally have to attend any ST meetings ? This is exactly what I said would happen six months ago and people said I was talking rubbish. Yup and I also said the ST would only work if they could get GM on side and actually listen to them... |
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Post by tootootrain on May 2, 2017 6:10:10 GMT
They basically made life difficult for and disbanded their own supporters club and effectively cut off any connection between club and fans a few years ago. To be fair, there was a little more to it than that. Certain members of the NPSC committee took their position/access to the Panthers organisation for granted and were, in GM's eyes (as well as others), doing very little for it. By the end the NPSC had turned into little more than a very cliquey vehicle to boost the egos of a small amount of people. |
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Post by spik on May 2, 2017 8:01:41 GMT
They basically made life difficult for and disbanded their own supporters club and effectively cut off any connection between club and fans a few years ago. To be fair, there was a little more to it than that. Certain members of the NPSC committee took their position/access to the Panthers organisation for granted and were, in GM's eyes (as well as others), doing very little for it. By the end the NPSC had turned into little more than a very cliquey vehicle to boost the egos of a small amount of people. That wouldn't help of course. But people from that club are running the Panthers travel now. Definitely I got the impression that it was as you say. Yet the supported club desk area got re-positioned a few times to obvious pointless space where fans would not see them etc.... Seemed odd that the SC were sponsoring the home bench, something some didnt like. I was at the meeting that disbanded the SC and they wanted the excess cash in the account to be handed over to the junior set up.Not Panthers. Unsure what actually happened in the end. |
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Post by DMS on May 2, 2017 8:37:56 GMT
I've spoken to them and I still do not understand the end goal. Having a better relationship isn't a tangible goal you can't quantify it as a success because it doesn't mean anything will change. The fact that the trust was "sold" for want as a better word with the thought things may stand a better chance of something changing because the club legally had to meet with the trust turned out to be a false dawn still makes me question the need for the trust when the club is financially stable and this is all born from the fact that not many players were here in time for last seasons preseason game when this is a regular occurrence for most preseasons. Not going to debate what anyone's idea of what seems tangible or not, I think it's a good start. Why is not having good relations a better thing for us fans. It's been so understandable in the past how the fans are held at arms length.Having a good banter with the club will be a change for starters. It's true that the club having to attend certain meetings was mentioned.I believe this is because it remains so in the sport of football but not Ice Hockey, we'd be the first.Most trusts are based around that game. Trusts were mainly born out of failing footy clubs and fans stepped in to help there clubs not go under. Nottingham Forest have a trust. They seem stable. The governing body seems happy with the idea of a trust. Forest seem stable?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHA mans a comedian out here!!! |
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Post by iginla on May 2, 2017 8:47:29 GMT
To be fair, there was a little more to it than that. Certain members of the NPSC committee took their position/access to the Panthers organisation for granted and were, in GM's eyes (as well as others), doing very little for it. By the end the NPSC had turned into little more than a very cliquey vehicle to boost the egos of a small amount of people. That wouldn't help of course. But people from that club are running the Panthers travel now. Definitely I got the impression that it was as you say. Yet the supported club desk area got re-positioned a few times to obvious pointless space where fans would not see them etc.... Seemed odd that the SC were sponsoring the home bench, something some didnt like. I was at the meeting that disbanded the SC and they wanted the excess cash in the account to be handed over to the junior set up.Not Panthers. Unsure what actually happened in the end. Indeed,it was a mess at the end. Some of the old supporters club committee rather abused their position shall we say,in more ways than one. As for the cash and it was a fair chunk,GM found out they'd got it and he wanted it,that's why he made it difficult for the supporters club to operate by offering them no help and relocating them out of the way,round the corner behind the bike sheds. Whatever happened to that cash I wonder.....must ask Mr Black that one,bet he doesn't even know about it. |
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2017 11:26:26 GMT
One day someone'll call you on the aspersions you chuck about on here.
As for the ST, on a very broad level it is hoping to act as a bridge between fans and club. I suspect that won't be specific enough for you, but it can't decide what issues are important to it before it exists. What is important to it will come from the membership, which it can't get before it exists.
It's also not just for the here and now. Moran won't always be GM, Black won't always be owner, the financial situation might not always be so rosy. It could become hugely important to have an organised fan group in place.
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Post by spik on May 2, 2017 16:32:57 GMT
I'll quietly state.Because my posts irritate.
Nottingham Forest are not 'stable' , ok I give in.But I don't think the ST there are in there to yet buy the club which I gather most ST's were started up for in the earlier days of their existance, to avoid the clubs going down.
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