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Post by pingchowchi on Jul 3, 2017 11:35:27 GMT
Fife do not seem to be able (or maybe not want to) keep hold of the young talent coming through at their rink.
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Post by wgray on Jul 7, 2017 6:41:57 GMT
Now Sheffield have completed their roster and comparing it to the team they had last season I believe that they have not really made any improvements at all.
I was expecting more from there last signing as well, Aarssen has never really been a noticeable player when I've seen Braehead play us, he doesn't concern me, I thought this signing would have been a stand out, play making dman. Another point is the balance of their defence, they have 5 LH and 1 RH dmen, it leaves the dmen on their off side very exposed, something we can hopefully exploit with speed.
Comparing our squad, the positions and roles we have filled, to theirs, I am pleased and feel we look better.
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Post by mattscold on Jul 7, 2017 7:21:53 GMT
Now Sheffield have completed their roster and comparing it to the team they had last season I believe that they have not really made any improvements at all. I was expecting more from there last signing as well, Aarssen has never really been a noticeable player when I've seen Braehead play us, he doesn't concern me, I thought this signing would have been a stand out, play making dman. Another point is the balance of their defence, they have 5 LH and 1 RH dmen, it leaves the dmen on their off side very exposed, something we can hopefully exploit with speed. Comparing our squad, the positions and roles we have filled, to theirs, I am pleased and feel we look better. To me our current squad is more exciting than Sheffield's because we have a lot of youth and unknown quantities in our side. So its going to be fun seeing how this turns out. On paper I think Sheffield have a better pedigree of player, however they are quite an old team which i think will cost them in third period/overtime. We shall see, its going to be interesting thats for sure.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 7, 2017 9:10:52 GMT
They have certainly not upgraded as much as I thought they would. Looks a big blow for them losing Desbiens. Also who is their 12th forward going to be?
The defense does seem to have a strange look to it with all those Lefties and up front a lot will depend on how good Wallace and Westerling turn out to be.
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Post by Pies on Jul 7, 2017 9:40:22 GMT
I've been thinking the same thing for a while regarding sheffields roster. It's not one that screams out as a massive upgrade in any area. Plenty of older heads in there. However, if there's an organisation that finds a way to win, it's them.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 7, 2017 9:57:31 GMT
It's not a roster that worries you, beyond the usual suspects, but: However, if there's an organisation that finds a way to win, it's them. This.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 7, 2017 10:04:30 GMT
I think people are way underestimating the Steelers. Just swapping Hagos out is a massive upgrade and Steelers have winning in their DNA.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 7, 2017 10:10:36 GMT
I think people are way underestimating the Steelers. Just swapping Hagos out is a massive upgrade and Steelers have winning in their DNA. I still think they will challenge for the league just was expecting a few more WOW CV's after their (for them) disappointing league campaign last year.
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Post by wannabe2 on Jul 7, 2017 11:06:30 GMT
Steelers will always be challenging for honours, we all know that as has already been said, but have they upgraded much, I don't think so. Still a few signings to be made by lots of teams, it's going to be one interesting season
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Post by wgray on Jul 7, 2017 11:52:45 GMT
I think people are way underestimating the Steelers. Just swapping Hagos out is a massive upgrade and Steelers have winning in their DNA. Hagos was playing fourth line at the end of the season, they've swapped him for Ramsay who will be more of an agitator as opposed to a defensive forward that Hagos was, there's no upgrade there as such. Looking at other replacements, Marquardt has replaced Desbiens, again no improvement, potentially a downgrade for what he provided them.Then they've swapped Nilsson and Walker for Westerling and Wallace, two older experienced players. Walker's goals won't be missed but the speed and work rate that Nilsson brought will be missed and I can't see Westering or Wallace providing it. Then to top it of they've released Ferrara, a reliable fourth line penalty killer, and given his spot to Kirk who is still very much in the developmental stage. Obviously they will be a threat, the likes of Roy, Fretter and Nelson are all good clutch players, but in a league where EVERY team is currently improving, ourselves more so, I thought they would have signed players with bigger resumes and potential. On paper I don't see Sheffield as the main challenger for the league
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Post by iginla on Jul 7, 2017 11:55:28 GMT
They haven't upgraded as much i as thought they would either. But they didn't really need to. Still got Roy,Fretter,Nelson and Armstrong etc and they have mostly upgraded on what they've lost.
Aarsson is a bit of a lazy last signing from Thompson though, but he's an ex ECHL guy,exactly the same sort of quality as Panthers have been signing on D.
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Post by iginla on Jul 7, 2017 12:03:52 GMT
Have Panthers upgraded though,that's the question ? We don't really know yet
The goalie yes no question you would think so. But if you are purely looking at resumes,then I would say that so far we have massively downgraded.
Hungry and young is ok but yet to be tested at Panthers. It's never worked anywhere else in the EIHL yet though !
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Post by deke on Jul 7, 2017 12:30:12 GMT
Steelers have not overly strengthened. At best they have tweaked a few areas that needed it. However they had a strong team last season and the core is the same. In some areas like garnett we have upgraded with gagon we have introduced a strong no nonsense good quality dman who I'm guessing takes mcgrattens role as an enforcer to boot. Added in billingsley as well who looks solid. The rest are younger potentially excellent signings to which add the likes of brown lindhagen farmer and betteridge. If anything your likely to get a pretty feisty physical team with a few speedy players which could test the older players. We still have some of our bigger signings to go. If they are of good quality we have a good sign potentially an excellent side depending on the young lads. Side looks more balanced than last year last few key signings should tell us what to expect
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 7, 2017 12:43:49 GMT
Have Panthers upgraded though,that's the question ? We don't really know yet The goalie yes no question you would think so. But if you are purely looking at resumes,then I would say that so far we have massively downgraded. Hungry and young is ok but yet to be tested at Panthers. It's never worked anywhere else in the EIHL yet though ! They i see it we've gone. Wiikman - Garnet: upgrade Pacl - Zakharchenko: upgrade Green - Gospel: upgrade Waugh - Gagnon: Neutral, Waughs probably a better player but was always injured. Dimmen - Briesbois: Neutral, ditto for waugh Sertic - Billingsly: Upgrade, Sertic was a massive let down. Spang - Spang Lee - Lee MacMillan/Lindhargen - import: i would seriously hope this is an upgrade. Moran - Philips: Upgrade, personally i didnt rate Moran. Schultz - import: ?? Carter - import: ?? Nikiforuk - import: ?? Lawrence - Bussières: upgrade Farmer - Farmer Clarke - Clarke Lacho - Lacho Lindhargen/Magratten - Lindhargen: downgrade. MacMillan - Mokshantsev: Upgrade Betteridge - Betteridge Brown - Brown Ive not included Williams, Kudroc or Sarkanis because they didnt play enough and were.replacmemts / injury cover anyway. Overall i struggle to see how we're Massively downgraded. Our defense whilst not havinb the cv's of last year could easily be better. We had guys who were always injured or didnt live up to the cv's last year. If our last d man is quality i think we've definitley improved. And if you look at the balance of types of D men its a no brainer. On paper at least. Upfront, the only real loss so far is Magratten. Although it shouldnt be hard to plug the gap in his points with Carter and Nikiforuk's replancements. The big one for me is Schultz's replacment. We need a guy of his quality that will play all season. Good for 30+ goals. If u bring in 2 guys who will score 20-25 goals to replace Carter and Nikforuk, i think we're in business. Whilst you cant say for certain till the team is signed, so far we look set to make a big upgrade. All rests on these last few (hopefully stud) signings.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 7, 2017 14:11:41 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 7, 2017 15:22:46 GMT
They haven't upgraded as much i as thought they would either. But they didn't really need to. Still got Roy,Fretter,Nelson and Armstrong etc and they have mostly upgraded on what they've lost. Aarsson is a bit of a lazy last signing from Thompson though, but he's an ex ECHL guy,exactly the same sort of quality as Panthers have been signing on D. I rate Aarsson a lot actually and I think that he will will fit in well with the Steelers
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Post by bobness on Jul 7, 2017 15:25:54 GMT
Aarsson is a bit of a lazy last signing from Thompson though, but he's an ex ECHL guy,exactly the same sort of quality as Panthers have been signing on D. Fake news! Aarssen's never played an ECHL game in his life. In fact, he's never played a pro game in North America in his life.
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Post by bobness on Jul 7, 2017 15:27:23 GMT
He has a brother as well, who played. Unfortunately retired now, but they played together as linemates as juniors in Kelowna.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 16:23:00 GMT
Have Panthers upgraded though,that's the question ? We don't really know yet The goalie yes no question you would think so. But if you are purely looking at resumes,then I would say that so far we have massively downgraded. Hungry and young is ok but yet to be tested at Panthers. It's never worked anywhere else in the EIHL yet though ! They i see it we've gone. Wiikman - Garnet: upgrade Pacl - Zakharchenko: upgrade Green - Gospel: upgrade Waugh - Gagnon: Neutral, Waughs probably a better player but was always injured. Dimmen - Briesbois: Neutral, ditto for waugh Sertic - Billingsly: Upgrade, Sertic was a massive let down. Spang - Spang Lee - Lee MacMillan/Lindhargen - import: i would seriously hope this is an upgrade. Moran - Philips: Upgrade, personally i didnt rate Moran. Schultz - import: ?? Carter - import: ?? Nikiforuk - import: ?? Lawrence - Bussières: upgrade Farmer - Farmer Clarke - Clarke Lacho - Lacho Lindhargen/Magratten - Lindhargen: downgrade. MacMillan - Mokshantsev: Upgrade Betteridge - Betteridge Brown - Brown Ive not included Williams, Kudroc or Sarkanis because they didnt play enough and were.replacmemts / injury cover anyway. Overall i struggle to see how we're Massively downgraded. Our defense whilst not havinb the cv's of last year could easily be better. We had guys who were always injured or didnt live up to the cv's last year. If our last d man is quality i think we've definitley improved. And if you look at the balance of types of D men its a no brainer. On paper at least. Upfront, the only real loss so far is Magratten. Although it shouldnt be hard to plug the gap in his points with Carter and Nikiforuk's replancements. The big one for me is Schultz's replacment. We need a guy of his quality that will play all season. Good for 30+ goals. If u bring in 2 guys who will score 20-25 goals to replace Carter and Nikforuk, i think we're in business. Whilst you cant say for certain till the team is signed, so far we look set to make a big upgrade. All rests on these last few (hopefully stud) signings. I agree with that
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Post by iginla on Jul 7, 2017 17:24:39 GMT
They i see it we've gone. Wiikman - Garnet: upgrade Pacl - Zakharchenko: upgrade Green - Gospel: upgrade Waugh - Gagnon: Neutral, Waughs probably a better player but was always injured. Dimmen - Briesbois: Neutral, ditto for waugh Sertic - Billingsly: Upgrade, Sertic was a massive let down. Spang - Spang Lee - Lee MacMillan/Lindhargen - import: i would seriously hope this is an upgrade. Moran - Philips: Upgrade, personally i didnt rate Moran. Schultz - import: ?? Carter - import: ?? Nikiforuk - import: ?? Lawrence - Bussières: upgrade Farmer - Farmer Clarke - Clarke Lacho - Lacho Lindhargen/Magratten - Lindhargen: downgrade. MacMillan - Mokshantsev: Upgrade Betteridge - Betteridge Brown - Brown Ive not included Williams, Kudroc or Sarkanis because they didnt play enough and were.replacmemts / injury cover anyway. Overall i struggle to see how we're Massively downgraded. Our defense whilst not havinb the cv's of last year could easily be better. We had guys who were always injured or didnt live up to the cv's last year. If our last d man is quality i think we've definitley improved. And if you look at the balance of types of D men its a no brainer. On paper at least. Upfront, the only real loss so far is Magratten. Although it shouldnt be hard to plug the gap in his points with Carter and Nikiforuk's replancements. The big one for me is Schultz's replacment. We need a guy of his quality that will play all season. Good for 30+ goals. If u bring in 2 guys who will score 20-25 goals to replace Carter and Nikforuk, i think we're in business. Whilst you cant say for certain till the team is signed, so far we look set to make a big upgrade. All rests on these last few (hopefully stud) signings. I agree with that I was comparing purely on resumes. We know resumes can mean nothing and we have the benefit of hindsight on last years team. But if you compare purely resumes on the whole squads, not just picking out ones you don't want or additions like Williams,we have downgraded. By the time we sign the last few quality guys though it will make a difference. I'm still unconvinced a full team of young and hungry can win the league though.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jul 7, 2017 19:13:06 GMT
Dundee sign tough D man Riley Stadal From the Edmonton oil kings (WHL) 21 years old 5"10 84kg. Looking at a few videos he seems eager but I can't see him being a match for the tough guys already in the EIHL
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 7, 2017 20:31:22 GMT
I was comparing purely on resumes. We know resumes can mean nothing and we have the benefit of hindsight on last years team. But if you compare purely resumes on the whole squads, not just picking out ones you don't want or additions like Williams,we have downgraded. By the time we sign the last few quality guys though it will make a difference. I'm still unconvinced a full team of young and hungry can win the league though. So what was the point of your post? (Other than to have a dig of course)
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Post by iginla on Jul 8, 2017 6:36:48 GMT
I was comparing purely on resumes. We know resumes can mean nothing and we have the benefit of hindsight on last years team. But if you compare purely resumes on the whole squads, not just picking out ones you don't want or additions like Williams,we have downgraded. By the time we sign the last few quality guys though it will make a difference. I'm still unconvinced a full team of young and hungry can win the league though. So what was the point of your post? (Other than to have a dig of course) I wasn't having a dig. People were suggesting we had upgraded and I offered my opinion. We may ultimately have,when wev'e seen them perform. But for now,its guesswork,purely based on stats and Corey's spin. I hope we have upgraded. But on signings and resumes alone I don't see it.....yet.
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Post by shinobi on Jul 8, 2017 10:18:13 GMT
But if you are purely looking at resumes,then I would say that so far we have massively downgraded. How many times have Panthers' teams been assembled & we've looked at player resumes & thought that we'd be challenging for honours, specifically the league, due to players past exploits. We can all go into the hockeydb & pick names out of a hat but that clearly isn't how a squad is built.
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Post by nytram89 on Jul 10, 2017 10:13:26 GMT
Ratchuk and satek leave flames. Big blow for flames. Hoepfully they will get decent enough replacements.
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