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Post by goon37 on Apr 3, 2017 11:21:24 GMT
re British goalies. In 18/19 the EPL will be only British goalies. Now obviously this will mean british goalies will get more ice time - but if this situation (needing british back-up to come in during crucial playoff game)would you be happy with a guy who had played in EPL, given standard is already much lower now, and league are reducing import levels by 2 for next year (will be 3 for next couple)? Is this any better than having someone like Dan on the bench?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2017 11:23:03 GMT
re British goalies. In 18/19 the EPL will be only British goalies. Now obviously this will mean british goalies will get more ice time - but if this situation (needing british back-up to come in during crucial playoff game)would you be happy with a guy who had played in EPL, given standard is already much lower now, and league are reducing import levels by 2 for next year (will be 3 for next couple)? Is this any better than having someone like Dan on the bench? Donald Duck would be better than Dan Green. Dan Green is pretty much a nailed on single handed game loser.
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Post by dill1015 on Apr 3, 2017 11:33:33 GMT
Havnt commented yet because i wasnt at the game. But have watched the highlights now. For me i cant tell if the puck goes fully over or not. Its so close. But this is why we should use GOAL LINE TECHNOLOGY! it really is ridculous. The Wiikman incident. I gotta say i dont think hes really done anything wrong. Armstrong skates hard to the net, which is whats hes suppose to do. A couple of Panthers players try and stop him and Armstrong loses his balance. Them Dimmen shuts the door and Armstring has nowhere to go but through the crease. Id chalk this one up to an accident. Green. Well what can you say. I think id prefer any other back up in the league. He needs to do the honnorable thing and retire. I know people are annoyed about this weekend. But did anyone one really think this team deserved to go though? We won 1 period out of 7. By anyones standard thats not good enough. Massively out shot in both games. The sad part is i called this. I said to my brother after the first leg "i bet we dont go through". I just knew it would happen. I knew we'd go into sheffield and play really passively against a team with loads of fire power. Except we dont have the defensive quality to do that. This yet another example of how coreys got the tactics wrong. For me im just glad this season is over its been painful and draining. I will be watching the summer signing very closely. Because i now have to consider if i want to part with my money to watch this team. Never in the last 20 years did i think id say that. Just makes you wonder what CN's cup record would be like without home advantage in a lot of cases or playing Spanish and Turkish part timers. It would still be amazing. Corey is a great cup coach. You cant take that away. But hes lost it in terms of recruitment. And i think hes run out of ideas tactically. I just think hes past his shelf life in Nottingham. I think a new coach would be good for us and him.
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2017 11:41:58 GMT
Havnt commented yet because i wasnt at the game. But have watched the highlights now. For me i cant tell if the puck goes fully over or not. Its so close. But this is why we should use GOAL LINE TECHNOLOGY! it really is ridculous. The Wiikman incident. I gotta say i dont think hes really done anything wrong. Armstrong skates hard to the net, which is whats hes suppose to do. A couple of Panthers players try and stop him and Armstrong loses his balance. Them Dimmen shuts the door and Armstring has nowhere to go but through the crease. Id chalk this one up to an accident. Green. Well what can you say. I think id prefer any other back up in the league. He needs to do the honnorable thing and retire. I know people are annoyed about this weekend. But did anyone one really think this team deserved to go though? We won 1 period out of 7. By anyones standard thats not good enough. Massively out shot in both games. The sad part is i called this. I said to my brother after the first leg "i bet we dont go through". I just knew it would happen. I knew we'd go into sheffield and play really passively against a team with loads of fire power. Except we dont have the defensive quality to do that. This yet another example of how coreys got the tactics wrong. For me im just glad this season is over its been painful and draining. I will be watching the summer signing very closely. Because i now have to consider if i want to part with my money to watch this team. Never in the last 20 years did i think id say that. Just makes you wonder what CN's cup record would be like without home advantage in a lot of cases or playing Spanish and Turkish part timers. In one word,it would be....POOR. He's been lucky to be where he has,at the time he has. You put any half decent coach in Nottingham with all the advantages a Panthers coach has.......and he would win trophies !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2017 11:44:06 GMT
Just makes you wonder what CN's cup record would be like without home advantage in a lot of cases or playing Spanish and Turkish part timers. It would still be amazing. Corey is a great cup coach. You cant take that away. But hes lost it in terms of recruitment. And i think hes run out of ideas tactically. I just think hes past his shelf life in Nottingham. I think a new coach would be good for us and him. He wasn't so great yesterday. Played the same squad as the night before which suggests he hoped it would make the same impact but they played dump and chase and soak up the pressure for about 55 minutes instead.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Apr 3, 2017 12:06:46 GMT
Well having not been to either game and just looking at the highlights Steelers provided it seems we got everything that we deserved. From the 12th minute of Saturday onwards we mustered around 30 shots in 110 minutes of action. That simply isn't good enough. Even more frustrating is Moose dishes out rebounds like Willy Wonka does candy as we found in that opening 12 minutes and yet didn't give ourselves the chance to score on them. Regardless of whether you're sitting on a lead or not if you invite a decent team like the Steelers on to you, you will get your hands burnt.
Certain events and decisions overshadow what was a poor effort from the 12th minute of Saturday onwards. From speaking to friends they say we looked dead on our feet after the first period of the weekend. Not exactly a glowing assessment of the fitness of the squad that the first 20 minutes of intense hockey they'd played in 3 months and they looked done.
Went to Scotland a few weeks back and the line with the most energy was Sarkanis, Lacho and Ollie. Makes you wonder why Sarkanis wasn't given a game on Sunday when the game plan sounds like it was dump and chase the puck? You'd have thought having more of your energy players was important than all your offensive players that won't back check at the same rate?
Anyway on to the off season at last.
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Post by Warren on Apr 3, 2017 12:08:15 GMT
So watching the highlights.... - No Goal - From all the camera angles there is no clear view of the puck over the line. The Ref behind the goal has a similar view to the behind the net shot, that's in slow mo and i'm still not convinced.
- Armstrong - In the middle on this one. Don't think he did it on purpose, but i also don't think that he did all he could do to avoid contact.
- Dan Green - Yeah, he'll want them all back. But I would like to point out that at least 2 of the goals it was a forward fanning on a pass to cough it up. Spang's movement to allow Phillips on the breakaway is terrible.
- OT - So we sent out #6 and #44 as our top pair. then #45 and #39 as second. Where was #15 and #33? I am neither's biggest fans, but surely they have played this scenario more than Logan has (OT on D) CN has got OT wrong all season, be it 3v3 or 4v4 he has sent out the wrong pairs.
- OT - Also on Green's save, who was the player defending the man taking the shot (and tying him up quite well)? Larry. where was Dimmen? caught up ice (guessing based on his late arrival on the play)
For me, Green has not progressed since his arrival (under a cloud of criticism, as wasn't he Danny Meyers mate?) the league has. As mentioned before, there are no real easy games as they were when he arrived. IF the league want to be taken seriously, then they should allow some kind of ruling, Allow the 2nd NM to be a Non Work permit player (Well for the next 2 years at least) Or perhaps has to be u23 if he's an import. There was an article from Miika saying that the amount of games played by the starter was too high...
Just done some digging, and lets compare Green's time at Panthers to Dickson at Belfast. According to EliteProspects. So taking the seasons from 11/12 (Dicksons first) Green is on 3.83 GAA for 65 Games. Dickson 3.46 GAA in 26 games.
** Now that is League games according to EP **
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Post by dill1015 on Apr 3, 2017 12:16:35 GMT
It would still be amazing. Corey is a great cup coach. You cant take that away. But hes lost it in terms of recruitment. And i think hes run out of ideas tactically. I just think hes past his shelf life in Nottingham. I think a new coach would be good for us and him. He wasn't so great yesterday. Played the same squad as the night before which suggests he hoped it would make the same impact but they played dump and chase and soak up the pressure for about 55 minutes instead. Didnt say it was. Yes your right we should play our second squad... no wait thats right we only have one. Like everyone else in the league. The 3 main problems with this team are: 1- recruitment 2- recruitment 3- recruitment That facts is we dont have the tools for the job. And that largely has forced coreys hand in our style of play. And im in no way defending Coreys here. He signed this team and didnt make changes. Where are our stay at home d men? Looks at the goals last night. The GWG desbians just skates around MacMillan, would he have got anyway with that Lepine or Beckett? And same thing with when Wiikman got hurt. No prtection because our guys are being manhandled out the way. So why Corey thought he could play a shut down game i dont know. Same with going forward. Noone can carry a puck into the zone except Shultz. So we resort to dump and chase (a tactic i despise btw). And we have no natural play makers. We just lack passing quality. And on top of all that thiers no heart beat. Where thencharacter in this team? What i wouldnt give to have a Jassen, Fox, Richardson type player. Someone who can change a game just with their energy. If you read my first post im arguing that Corey should go. Even though ive been a previous fan of his. But this season has been awful. And he has to take resposibility. But you cant just dismiss all the good work hes done previously as luck and lay all the bad stuff at his door and say hes responsible. Its a 2 way street.
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Post by Sheetmaself on Apr 3, 2017 12:31:49 GMT
I think it unfair to blame Dan Green for the loss he came on cold and hes a third choice netminder. The problem is we should never of been put in the situation we was in. Pacl should of dressed just in case as the programme should of been protect the lead on away ice. It would of been the right decision only if we were losing.
Also we need to look at how many non import netminders would be willing to sit on a bench and get so little ice time, for this we should be grateful we have Dan who is aware of his limitations and happy to bring what he can when he can.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2017 12:34:41 GMT
He wasn't so great yesterday. Played the same squad as the night before which suggests he hoped it would make the same impact but they played dump and chase and soak up the pressure for about 55 minutes instead. Didnt say it was. Yes your right we should play our second squad... no wait thats right we only have one. Like everyone else in the league. The 3 main problems with this team are: 1- recruitment 2- recruitment 3- recruitment That facts is we dont have the tools for the job. And that largely has forced coreys hand in our style of play. And im in no way defending Coreys here. He signed this team and didnt make changes. Where are our stay at home d men? Looks at the goals last night. The GWG desbians just skates around MacMillan, would he have got anyway with that Lepine or Beckett? And same thing with when Wiikman got hurt. No prtection because our guys are being manhandled out the way. So why Corey thought he could play a shut down game i dont know. Same with going forward. Noone can't n carry a puck into the zone except Shultz. So we resort to dump and chase (a tactic i despise btw). And we have no natural play makers. We just lack passing quality. And on top of all that thiers no heart beat. Where thencharacter in this team? What i wouldnt give to have a Jassen, Fox, Richardson type player. Someone who can change a game just with their energy. If you read my first post im arguing that Corey should go. Even though ive been a previous fan of his. But this season has been awful. And he has to take resposibility. But you cant just dismiss all the good work hes done previously as luck and lay all the bad stuff at his door and say hes responsible. Its a 2 way street. I wasn't disagreeing with you but 'was' means nothing in sport where you are only ever as good as your last game. But if you are going to dress a backup for a dire emergency then it can't be someone who is going to take away any chance of a win especially in a playoff situation where they are shooting 'real bullets' as one of them said during the week.
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2017 12:48:24 GMT
I think it unfair to blame Dan Green for the loss he came on cold and hes a third choice netminder. The problem is we should never of been put in the situation we was in. Pacl should of dressed just in case as the programme should of been protect the lead on away ice. It would of been the right decision only if we were losing. Also we need to look at how many non import netminders would be willing to sit on a bench and get so little ice time, for this we should be grateful we have Dan who is aware of his limitations and happy to bring what he can when he can. It is unfair to blame Dan Green for last night yes. The blame should be on the coaching staff who keep re signing him. Yes,it's a thankless job being a British back up goalie,but there are another NINE of them in the league,how come the biggest team in the land ended up with arguably the worst of the lot of them though ? The answer is,because Panthers have no ambition,no foresight and just take the easy option in re signing Green every season. Yes we have Danny Meyers to thank for us signing his best mate in the first place,plus the above reasons and the fact that he's Mitch Stevensons son in law as the reason we have kept him for so long. Wouldn't want to upset Mitch now would we !
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Post by ted logan on Apr 3, 2017 12:54:15 GMT
we should be grateful we have Dan who is aware of his limitations and happy to bring what he can when he can. A clipboard?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:35 GMT
Also we need to look at how many non import netminders would be willing to sit on a bench and get so little ice time, for this we should be grateful we have Dan who is aware of his limitations and happy to bring what he can when he can. Seriously? The old chestnut of what netminders yada yada died long ago and every other team in the league (and possibly EPL) have FAR better backups third choice or not. I would be grateful if he sold his pads.
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Post by ted logan on Apr 3, 2017 13:22:44 GMT
Simms is having a field day, boasting and crowing all over social media. Not one single post/tweet from him to check Miika is OK or wish him well.
The lord mayor of classlessville is yet again showing his 'class'.
His buddy Thompson, wishes Miika well but still moans about the fact the goal wasn't awarded;-
"No one likes to see a player injured and we all wish Wiikman the very best. We thought the goal should have stood though, John Armstrong was taken into the collision. For him to get a major penalty I thought was a very strange call".
Bad losers I can understand. Bad winners? Words fail me.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 3, 2017 13:32:42 GMT
Just seen the replay and i think it was an accidental collision as much as i want to hate steelers for it. If anything its difficult to see how Miika got so badly hurt as the impact didn't seem to all that hard it doesnt even look like the head/neck was the point of impact, the only thing i can think is that he hit his head hard on the ice with armstrong weight on top of him and was very unfortunate.
Also the OT goal was a shocker how did MacMillan let him get by so easily and even then should still never be able to score from that position
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Post by iginla on Apr 3, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
Classless to the end as ever in Sheffield. Hopefully they get battered by Belfast or Cardiff next weekend,then it can be pay back day for 2000 Panthers fans.
Oh I do hope so....god I hate that club !
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2017 13:37:25 GMT
Goal line technology wise... I think the league decided that until it was operational in all 10 rinks, then it wouldn't go live. 8 rinks have it ready to go, apparently. (From the things people post/have posted) What I don't know for sure is if Nottingham are one of the 8 or the 2. In any case, that's a crap decision, any way you look at it. Any rink that has it should use it, end of. Better to get the decisions in those rinks correct if you can. Once the remaining 2 teams get a duff decision or three, they'll relent PDQ.
A bit like cricket's DRS and India.
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Post by bobness on Apr 3, 2017 14:00:16 GMT
And from what you can see on there,you wouldn't want Stevie Lees plus/minus stats either ! I wasn't going to do the playoffs, but I will now. #45 was -3 in Sheffield. Panthers had 6 forwards on for the ENG. Sadly, despite Steelers getting their video highlights up almost instantly, the Panthers have yet to do theirs, from a game 24 hours prior. But as there were no minuses for Saturday's game for Panthers (both Steelers' goals were on the PP) it won't be lower than that overall. Stevie Lee was a plus player in the league this season, trust me. 3 import D men had worse stats than that.
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Post by wgray on Apr 3, 2017 14:01:41 GMT
The first goal is inconclusive even with the replay, no goal light came on, so the fact it was given shows how absolutely ridiculous the officials are. It makes you feel sick, why do Sheffield always get these sorts of decisions in their favour? They should get deducted a goal for being such a disgraceful club!
The second Sheffield goal was poor form Nikiforuk, (who didn't turn up at all yesterday) he turned the puck over and put Spang in a ridiculous position, Green was never going to stop Phillips scoring.
The third was poor from MacMillan, a player who is out of his natural position but sloppy play and then soft from Green. Their fourth Green was screened on, but no big grizzly dman to clear the net so he could see, again who is there to do the job. The fifth, MacMillan at fault again, Sheffield drove towards the net all weekend, he lets Desbiens get in on net and we may as well have had one of the fans in goal, Green poor again.
In regards the Wiikman incident, one of Thompsons tactics will have been to drive the puck to the net, everyone knows how important Miika is to us, when they do this there is always the potential of crashing into him, which is exactly what they will have wanted. They did it all weekend!!! It doesn't have to look as if he's intentionally collided with him, the intention is to drive the net, put Wiikman under pressure and get something out of it, which they did.
This might be OTT but II hope McGrattan no choices Fitzgerald next season and does a real number on him. The stuff he has come out with on Twitter is embarrassing, him and Sheffield are a match made in heaven.
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Post by No 29 on Apr 3, 2017 14:02:47 GMT
Goal line technology wise... I think the league decided that until it was operational in all 10 rinks, then it wouldn't go live. 8 rinks have it ready to go, apparently. (From the things people post/have posted) What I don't know for sure is if Nottingham are one of the 8 or the 2. In any case, that's a crap decision, any way you look at it. Any rink that has it should use it, end of. Better to get the decisions in those rinks correct if you can. Once the remaining 2 teams get a duff decision or three, they'll relent PDQ. A bit like cricket's DRS and India. We're one of the eight. It was there on Saturday ready for the finals, I think I saw somewhere it was an updated version from the one that was there for one match late last year. Totally agree that it's daft it's not being used. Sheffield is in the eight too, think it might be Belfast and Braehead where it isbn't ready.
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Post by wgray on Apr 3, 2017 14:03:52 GMT
And from what you can see on there,you wouldn't want Stevie Lees plus/minus stats either ! I wasn't going to do the playoffs, but I will now. #45 was -3 in Sheffield. Panthers had 6 forwards on for the ENG. Sadly, despite Steelers getting their video highlights up almost instantly, the Panthers have yet to do theirs, from a game 24 hours prior. But as there were no minuses for Saturday's game for Panthers (both Steelers' goals were on the PP) it won't be lower than that overall. Stevie Lee was a plus player in the league this season, trust me. 3 import D men had worse stats than that. what was MacMillans +/- stats? They were d partners and two we conceded I felt we're on MacMillans shoulders, this will show poorly for Lee obviously
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 3, 2017 14:07:47 GMT
In regards the Wiikman incident, one of Thompsons tactics will have been to drive the puck to the net, everyone knows how important Miika is to us, when they do this there is always the potential of crashing into him, which is exactly what they will have wanted. They did it all weekend!!! It doesn't have to look as if he's intentionally collided with him, the intention is to drive the net, put Wiikman under pressure and get something out of it, which they did. I don't understand why we don't as well. Both Sheffield and us had mountains to climb before the weekend and then on Sunday we gave them a chair lift.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 3, 2017 14:28:17 GMT
Moran is the reason Green is still a Panther. If anyone has to be blamed, it's him.
Bitter end to a disappointing season. Most will probably be on the way to the airports before the weekend.
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Post by Warren on Apr 3, 2017 14:34:51 GMT
Moran is the reason Green is still a Panther. If anyone has to be blamed, it's him. Bitter end to a disappointing season. Most will probably be on the way to the airports before the weekend. Surely not? I mean surely there are 38 more school visits left this month, along with 3 signing nights, 4 quizes and 5 auctions???
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Post by PantherB on Apr 3, 2017 14:55:35 GMT
Moran is the reason Green is still a Panther. If anyone has to be blamed, it's him. Bitter end to a disappointing season. Most will probably be on the way to the airports before the weekend. Surely not? I mean surely there are 38 more school visits left this month, along with 3 signing nights, 4 quizes and 5 auctions??? Free alcohol on Transatlantic flights, Lawrence and co. are dying to get the leash from around their necks!
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