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Dec 30, 2016 17:38:37 GMT
Post by fishman on Dec 30, 2016 17:38:37 GMT
Things don't look so rosy now, when Swindlehurst came in Panthers looked to have a good group British Players, but now it looks very different with the aforementioned gone along with Oakford and Clarke gone to the bench (god only knows what ails him) and Lee could be gone if he gets concussion again, only leaves Farmer Betteridge and Lacko who's always talks of going to Europe to find his mojo as the say. Where is the next Brit pack going to come from? ?
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Dec 30, 2016 17:54:34 GMT
Post by Shaggy on Dec 30, 2016 17:54:34 GMT
Where is the next Brit pack going to come from? ? Maybe if people (the Panthers, the fans, etc) actually gave even a slight toss about the Nottingham Lions, there could actually be a setup whereby younger players in Nottingham actually have a coherent path laid out for them up to the top British level. (Please note - I know that some of the young players do train at times with the Panthers... but there needs to be more than just that). I know, I know... I'm dreaming...
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Dec 30, 2016 18:23:55 GMT
Post by Shorty on Dec 30, 2016 18:23:55 GMT
Does the import level go up again next season?
If it does, then it is not as desperate a situation as it could be.
I do however, support British players in our game and would love to see an improvement in links between clubs from lower divisions and junior sides to aid their development.
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Dec 30, 2016 18:34:05 GMT
Post by fishman on Dec 30, 2016 18:34:05 GMT
Panther need a Brit pack to be competitive in the league , the 2 that came through a couple seasons ago Hook and Cownie and one went to Braehead for a short time.
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Dec 30, 2016 18:40:26 GMT
Post by kezypanther on Dec 30, 2016 18:40:26 GMT
According to this post from 2014 the import limit rise will stop at this year (or just no mention of next year yet) forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?13017-EIHL-To-Increase-Import-LimitsAs for our Brits I'm not entirely sure what will happen. Farmer has to be kept at all cost by far our best Brit. Whilst I'm not the biggest fan of Lee he is one of the bets Brit D men in the league so keep him too. Betteridge is Improving so would be happy to keep him. Then you have Clarke and Lacho, keep Clarke but how long is he gonna carry on after his recent injuries. Lacho can go for me, he stays year after year and doesn't improve imo. Problem is then where are the replacements? I'll be honest I don't keep up with the Lions but I have grown tired of Panthers at times so that may be why. Are there any players that show they could make it, I'm sure there are more people IDK than me. So do we poach players from other teams, look to the EPL maybe? Who knows but I think it will be tough.
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Dec 30, 2016 18:47:44 GMT
Post by fishman on Dec 30, 2016 18:47:44 GMT
Does the import level go up again next season? If it does, then it is not as desperate a situation as it could be. I do however, support British players in our game and would love to see an improvement in links between clubs from lower divisions and junior sides to aid their development. Can not set Brit targets on the leagues yoyo import quota. The best option I would think is a feeder team EPL. MK Lightning will get rid of a good proportion of the team must be 1 or 2 with potential
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Dec 31, 2016 12:00:59 GMT
Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 31, 2016 12:00:59 GMT
Where is the next Brit pack going to come from? ? Maybe if people (the Panthers, the fans, etc) actually gave even a slight toss about the Nottingham Lions, there could actually be a setup whereby younger players in Nottingham actually have a coherent path laid out for them up to the top British level. (Please note - I know that some of the young players do train at times with the Panthers... but there needs to be more than just that). I know, I know... I'm dreaming... Absolutely right. The players are supposed to do some coaching which I would think rarely happens. As yet (as I understand it) there is still no sign of an under 20 side and league. Obviously other clubs are also at fault with regard to this. I believe that this was something we were to supposed to do by the overarching European or World Ice Hockey governing body. Yet Panthers are still allowed to compete in European competitions. NB it seems this season has European success as a major target, which to me is ironic. People have their own views regarding Corey as a coach. However players have improved under his guidance. Mosey came on a lot, while Lepine, signed almost as a goon, finished as a proper hockey player. Farmer I feel has also come on a lot. Corey has a lot on his plate, but perhaps could be involved in a development plan and provide more input to the Lions. The lack of involvement by the club in the development by the Lions is perhaps symptomatic of the lack of structure in Ice hockey in this country and a coherent devlelopment plan by the national governing body. I wouldn't think that will change while there are owners whose targets are short term and in our case making money. Panthers are a very profitable concern - its a pity that NB and Aladdin don't feel that they also have a duty to develop the game. On one occasion Thomo was bemoaning the lack of funding coming down from Sport England. However if you don't provide evidence of how that would be used it will never be given to ice hockey. With regard to Dave Clarke, I understand it is not a problem which can be treated by physiotherapy. Lacho concerns me as his contribution seems spasmodic.
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Dec 31, 2016 15:18:10 GMT
Post by chrisblackett on Dec 31, 2016 15:18:10 GMT
As yet (as I understand it) there is still no sign of an under 20 side and league. There are two under 20s leagues in England, plus one in Scotland. eiha.co.uk/under-20s/Nottingham have a team in the Southern league (http://eiha.co.uk/under-20s/u20-south/) but are not doing as well this season as last.
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Dec 31, 2016 19:13:39 GMT
Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 31, 2016 19:13:39 GMT
As I understand it -The point is that it was supposed to be associated with the senior clubs, who would then have an input. IE in our case the Panthers. In other words like professional football clubs have junior sides. This would then provide a transition into the senior side.
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Jan 1, 2017 17:51:31 GMT
Post by PantherB on Jan 1, 2017 17:51:31 GMT
Morgan Clarke (David's son, under the surname of Pizzo) did very well in u18's and u20's last season. He's 17, but hasn't got any games to his name this season unless he's at some kind of academy and its not been updated.
Cade Neilson will likely be 3 years away, as long as Corey stays put and Cade returns from Canada. He's playing for Ontario Hockey Academy u17's.
Thomas Hovell could be the next Backup for us, good stats in the NIHL2 and he's only 21.
Bradley Moore wouldn't be too bad a shout, been between the EPL and NIHL2 for a while. 20 years old. Hopefully he's a regular at Clarke's Peterborough Camp.
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Remember at the end of last season they were on about an u20's league directly affiliated with the EIHL.. lets see if the end of this season brings any update.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 18:29:51 GMT
Cade Neilson is far too good for this league. His sights should be set far higher than EIHL level.
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Jan 1, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
Clarkeys boy is in Canada too !
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Jan 3, 2017 16:44:23 GMT
Post by PantherB on Jan 3, 2017 16:44:23 GMT
Cade's performance with GB was outstanding for sure and no disrespect to him, but look at the opponents they played.
Cade is 15, been at the Ontario Academy for 3 years now, which will mean he's got 3 years left until graduation. 6 years at the OHA will without a doubt set anybody on a very good track to big things, but for the full 6 years it will have cost Corey and his family £138,000. That is a hell of a lot of money. A lot of players spend a couple or 3 years there before returning home (Swindlehurst for eg.) or upon turning 16, give Major Juniors a shot. If he keeps performing the way he is he might even get an offer from a college team for when he turns 18.
Cade has a lot of potential but personally looking at the Academy, its history and the Alumni, Graduates tend to get a deal at a small time college or they return home, test free agency. It's out there on paper if anyone wants to argue that point. Corey is the coach of a professional team, in a league which is of higher quality than the ACHA or NCAAIII, and if Corey decides to stay put in Nottingham, with us, upon Cade's graduation or the year after, if they give Major Juniors a test, I could see Cade wearing a Panthers jersey.
He's way too good for British Juniors and the British University League, they're both tripe. But the EIHL is a pretty good level and will hopefully grow and grow, on par with some decent leagues around Europe and possibly the ECHL. We've seen how Mosey, Lepine and co. have developed playing over here, there's no reason why Cade couldn't do the same but flourish at a younger age.
I know it's somewhat different but look at the rapid development of Betteridge over the last couple years.
Cade is destined for big things but I wouldn't say the EIHL is far below his potential.
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Jan 3, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Post by iginla on Jan 3, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Cade's performance with GB was outstanding for sure and no disrespect to him, but look at the opponents they played. Cade is 15, been at the Ontario Academy for 3 years now, which will mean he's got 3 years left until graduation. 6 years at the OHA will without a doubt set anybody on a very good track to big things, but for the full 6 years it will have cost Corey and his family £138,000. That is a hell of a lot of money. A lot of players spend a couple or 3 years there before returning home (Swindlehurst for eg.) or upon turning 16, give Major Juniors a shot. If he keeps performing the way he is he might even get an offer from a college team for when he turns 18. Cade has a lot of potential but personally looking at the Academy, its history and the Alumni, Graduates tend to get a deal at a small time college or they return home, test free agency. It's out there on paper if anyone wants to argue that point. Corey is the coach of a professional team, in a league which is of higher quality than the ACHA or NCAAIII, and if Corey decides to stay put in Nottingham, with us, upon Cade's graduation or the year after, if they give Major Juniors a test, I could see Cade wearing a Panthers jersey. He's way too good for British Juniors and the British University League, they're both tripe. But the EIHL is a pretty good level and will hopefully grow and grow, on par with some decent leagues around Europe and possibly the ECHL. We've seen how Mosey, Lepine and co. have developed playing over here, there's no reason why Cade couldn't do the same but flourish at a younger age. I know it's somewhat different but look at the rapid development of Betteridge over the last couple years. Cade is destined for big things but I wouldn't say the EIHL is far below his potential. In a few years time then,i suppose we could give him a trial.....if he's classed as a Brit ! 😉
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