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Post by fishman on Dec 3, 2016 15:45:18 GMT
Smith is more interested in backing up the the on ice official that make bad calls or DOPS poor desertion on player bans If he and the other board member want to help the on ice Official, they should invest in video replays eliteleague.co.uk/eihl-announces-crackdown-on-dissent/ |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 16:03:49 GMT
Good on them I say. Wouldn't get away with what's gone on in any other professional sport.
Hope the money raised gets spent on training though, we should be looking to help them be as good as they can be.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 3, 2016 17:02:02 GMT
Correct decision. Club officials and players cannot just say what they want. It's not that they may be correct, it's the pressure and potential for effecting future decisions that is the reason it's an issue.
Out of interest anyone know what Panthers were fined for?
The only downside I see is them enforcing the fines. We've seen all sorts go on in the league and heard plenty of alligations of players not getting paid etc. Will Sims etc actually cough up £5k? And if they don't wlll somebody actually make them?
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 17:13:46 GMT
Good on them I say. Wouldn't get away with what's gone on in any other professional sport. Hope the money raised gets spent on training though, we should be looking to help them be as good as they can be. Exactly... it brings the game into disrepute when so many clubs are critical of officials etc. However, it's hard to defend the officials with some decisions recently. At best, they'll use it to improve our officials & technology throughout the league. At worst it's just another idle threat that won't be treated seriously by anyone (e.g. The social media rules that came out a few years ago and were forgotten almost the game after). IMO DoPS is failing to live up to its name (keeping players safe) and needs to be more transparent with an actual figure head rather than the sketchy details of 'someone somewhere' making these decisions. |
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Post by fishman on Dec 3, 2016 17:26:32 GMT
"In light of the above ruling the following clubs have been fined for incidents involving them or their staff in October and November:"
Fife Flyers £100.
Cardiff £200.
Sheffield Steelers £300.
Nottingham Panthers £200
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Post by iginla on Dec 3, 2016 17:26:58 GMT
Correct decision. Club officials and players cannot just say what they want. It's not that they may be correct, it's the pressure and potential for effecting future decisions that is the reason it's an issue. Out of interest anyone know what Panthers were fined for? The only downside I see is them enforcing the fines. We've seen all sorts go on in the league and heard plenty of alligations of players not getting paid etc. Will Sims etc actually cough up £5k? And if they don't wlll somebody actually make them? It does put pressure on the officials,as we might well see tonight,because we have got Jan Schmeical the ref who Sheffield reckon screwed them in their last game in Cardiff. Problem is though,the refs get it wrong and there is no comeback on them because nobody is waiting in the wings to grab their job ! |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 17:44:21 GMT
The clubs can have a whinge about it behind closed doors if they really want to. That's also where they can do something about it (find more money for this that and the other, which they won't do).
Stuff like the Steelers match report on their official site, and Nielson's interview on ours after the Cardiff game, are out of order.
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Post by fishman on Dec 3, 2016 17:54:54 GMT
I like to think that coaches can say "some of the call went against us tonight" and leave it that.
Who is going to hold the official to account??
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 18:09:09 GMT
I like to think that coaches can say "some of the call went against us tonight" and leave it that. Who is going to hold the official to account?? I've heard Bauer UK have also put a fining system in place for anymore dissent on certain coaches suggesting they 'didn't get the right bounces'. They work very hard to manufacture high quality, unbiased pucks but after a prolonged period of insinuated criticism from an unnamed East Midlands based EIHL side, they are having to introduce measures to curb unfair criticism. |
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 3, 2016 21:49:38 GMT
Any chance of an independent full time chairman.
Professional referees
And a rule book?
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 3, 2016 22:40:14 GMT
Any chance of an independent full time chairman. Professional referees And a rule book? Now you are just being silly!!! |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 23:13:15 GMT
First game after this was announced and Panthers are refusing to speak to the media... what a circus!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 23:14:14 GMT
What media?
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 23:15:23 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 23:57:06 GMT
Embarrassing. Although maybe the Post will start to ask some questions of the .500 Nottingham Panthers now. |
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2016 0:04:56 GMT
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 4, 2016 0:11:16 GMT
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 4, 2016 11:03:30 GMT
If the refs don't know the rules what chance have the players and fans got?
Wonder if the ref called the league chairman for clarification?
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Dec 5, 2016 12:48:04 GMT
In my honest opinion, this is a step backwards in the way our league is run. the DOPS and the entire elite league can't organize a P*** up in a brewery. Season after season the DOPS and the refs screw every team in one way or another. I agree with pantherdman - the ref's are clueless of the rules and frankly after Saturdays panthers v Sheffield game was a complete joke. 14 minor penalties and 2 majors from a so called elite referee give me a break. The ref wasn't the right man for the game, we needed someone with more experience in these sorts of big games, a ref who knows the whole rivalies and know how to run the game. The whole "chinstrap" gate saga was a complete farce and in my view, I do ask the question however; how in the world did Sheffield's bench/players or refs see the violation after the puck was in the back of the net? I agree with what Brock Wilson said in the post that it is the DOPS that is tarnishing the reputation of our league. www.nottinghampost.com/former-nottingham-panthers-defenceman-brock-wilson-fears-dops-hampers-elite-league-progress/story-29955046-detail/story.htmlIt is named the department of PLAYER SAFETY for a reason but yet they can't even protect the players who get injured with the offender getting off pretty much scot free and yet they are so inconsistent in their reviews. In my opinion I believe we should have the refs miced up so that the fans and players know what the calls are and and I have read that the elite league are going to have video replays but yet has that come in hell no. as for the DOPS it should be made up off a 6 man panel. Head of Referee's (Kirkham/Boniface for example) then two senior neutral officials from a entire different league (EPL or scottish leagues) and three former players 1 D-Man, 1 goalie and 1 forward all neutral so no favoritism is brought into effect. As for the teams, players, coaches getting fines is ok as longs the money goes to introducing better refs and video technology. |
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Post by fishman on Dec 5, 2016 15:12:32 GMT
Not many fan think DOPS is doing a proper job and protecting player safety, 2 point Tony lives in cuckoo land.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 5, 2016 15:27:22 GMT
In my honest opinion, this is a step backwards in the way our league is run. It's a step backwards to try and stop club officials from doing the league down in public? How does that work? |
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Dec 5, 2016 16:18:22 GMT
In my honest opinion, this is a step backwards in the way our league is run. It's a step backwards to try and stop club officials from doing the league down in public? How does that work? well of course not Yotes and I can quite understand introducing fines but what I meant was that the fans and pretty much all the coaches in the league are fed up with the same BS we get season in season out, ie poor reffing the DOPS needs ripping up and starting again. We don't even know who bloody sits on that board hand picked flunkies of Smith no doubt with no hockey knowledge i suspect and their inconsistencies and the system overall. Smith said that The elite league were going to try video technology and where as that gone? nowhere. four official system in league games scrapped after 2 seasons. Come on Yotes has a fellow hockey fan can understand my points (with no disrespect to yourself as I respect your views as a fellow fan) |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 5, 2016 17:24:53 GMT
Considering Sheffield have been the club fined the most already, I doubt DOPS are Tony's stooges.
There's nothing wrong with fans complaining about the refs (although I think we'd probably find they're right an awful lot more than they're wrong), and there's nothing wrong with club officials having issues with the officiating, the league are just telling them not to wash their dirty linen in public. What advantage is there to a club of posting a whinging match report, or (more or less) accusing a ref of cheating in an interview, over going to Simon Kirkham behind closed doors and calmly explaining their grievances, who can then in turn look into it and go to the referee to try and help them? One might actually have a positive effect of helping a ref improve, and the other will lead to demoralization of a very small group (our officials) and paints the league in a poor light to any outsiders looking in.
The 4 man system has, I would imagine, gone away because we don't have enough referees to run it. Perhaps if they had 10 refs of even our standard, they'd still do it? Maybe it's just money and the clubs don't want to pay for 2, but if that's the case don't moan about it when they miss something. DOPS I imagine hand out bans based on guidelines given by the league - I doubt any owner wants to be paying players who are sat in the stands. I think they even said last year they were trying to keep as many players on the ice as possible, to protect the product the fans pay to see.
The video tech is definitely money, it's just not installed in some arenas. Even if it were, I believe it was only meant for goal line decisions. Obviously that'll help sometimes, but only on a limited number of occasions.
The Czech chap who seems to have got it in the neck for awarding and then scrubbing two goals this week, I believe the consensus is that ultimately those 2 calls were correct. The Sheffield goal in Cardiff shouldn't have stood - they whinged that the goal judge gave him some information - and Spang shouldn't have been playing with his strap undone. Now that apparently shouldn't have been a minor penalty, but it's a fairly unusual call and maybe wherever this guy learnt his trade (Czech Rep, presumably) the illegal equipment ruling is different, so he assumed illegal equipment = 2 minute minor over here? Another area where Kirkham can set him straight, and he can improve so should Corey be stupid enough to send a player out on the powerplay who isn't ready again, he won't call the minor. He doesn't need to be hung out to dry over it.
We're a minor league using amateur refs, people - especially the people who are running the game - need to remember that we need them more than they need us. Unless the clubs are going to find a large sum of money to employ professional refs, some folk just need to suck it up and at least act professionally, which is ultimately what the league ruling is telling them to do. It's in their interest to work with the refs and DOPS to keep improving both, what they've been doing recently hasn't helped with that.
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