GDT: Flyers 4:1 Panthers (EL, 11/9)

[Yotes]

Sept 11, 2016 20:06:00 GMT Mark said:

1. If the best goalie in the league is fit, he should start.

At the same time, if we're being realistic, we know we need to manage Miika and not over-work him, so we have to trust Henry every now and then.

2 out of 3 ain't bad.

[shinobi]

Sept 11, 2016 20:08:26 GMT ted logan said:

Disappointing end to a good weekend.

In reality 4 points from a Scottish triple header is a decent return. Any more than that would be asking alot this early in the season. Seems like we ran out of steam a bit in the third.

Was wiikman injured? If not, shouldn't he have played?

I think a record of 2-1 is more than acceptable personally. As you say, it's disappointing to lose, but the season is embryonic.

[Pies]

Still a long way to go but we've got 3/8 trips to Scotland done. And I tell you what, I don't think many teams will come back with Mich from Fife. They look much better already than last year.

[Stargazer]

Sept 11, 2016 20:08:31 GMT iginla said:

Just remember when Corey's excuses come out,that bus legs and tiredness is not valid.
We knew what was going to happen....and it did !

No you're right, it's no excuse buddy. But we both know this goes way above Corey's head and the Scottish triple (or double) headers are about reducing logistical costs and increasing attendances which are decided at board level. And to be fair that has to be the way it is in a minority sport.

I'm happy to take 4 points from 6 under the circumstances. I just think if we had swopped the Braehead and Fife results around we wouldn't feel deflated so much.

[PantherB]

I'm happy we played Pacl, he didn't lose us the game.. He kept us in it the best we could. Wiikman may have won it but we know what staring him on consecutive nights has done to him in the past. He's got a dodgy groin, shouldn't be pressured with 180 minutes of ice time in 3 nights. Pacl is more than capable, may have made a couple mistakes but nothing major and the defence was responsible for the 2nd and 3rd Fife goal, played too loosely due to having little left in the tank.

I'm happy though. 4 from 6 was the aim, we achieved it. 6 would've been superb but a lot to ask from any club in the league regardless of their form. Clan have 0 points from 2 league games, Devils 2 from 1. Panthers 4 from 3. Of course it's exceptionally early but a win next weekend will be incredibly big, must push the favourites back a step as early as possible.

[Pies]

We have to play Miika Saturday with it being league points but it begs the question of who starts Sunday on Sheffield?

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 20:11:24 GMT shinobi said:

Sept 11, 2016 20:09:32 GMT pantherman66 said:

I knew it wouldn't be long before we had a dig at the club by one of our'supporters'.

I may not agree with him all the time, but assuming you're referring to Iginla, he's entitled to voice his opinion/s.

I am indeed,what would we speak about if there wern't differences of opinion ?

Nobody can ever say I don't put my neck on the line to be shot down.
I said we should have gone early because of tiredness and it cost us at the end.
I said the Fife game was the toughest,it was.
I said they were good and they were.
I said their goalie was good and he was.

To me four points from six in Scotland is not good enough.
We should have gone early.
Wiikman should have played all three games if fit.
And if Wiikman was going to sit a game,it should have been Dundee.

[Deleted]

Sept 11, 2016 20:34:42 GMT iginla said:

Sept 11, 2016 20:11:24 GMT shinobi said:

I may not agree with him all the time, but assuming you're referring to Iginla, he's entitled to voice his opinion/s.

I am indeed,what would we speak about if there wern't differences of opinion ?

Nobody can ever say I don't put my neck on the line to be shot down.
I said we should have gone early because of tiredness and it cost us at the end.
I said the Fife game was the toughest,it was.
I said they were good and they were.
I said their goalie was good and he was.

To me four points from six in Scotland is not good enough.
We should have gone early.
Wiikman should have played all three games if fit.
And if Wiikman was going to sit a game,it should have been Dundee.

If you think 4 out of 6 isn't good enough you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Fife is tough to go up at the easiest of times. I doubt going up on Friday had much baring on tonight. Fatigue from playing 120 mins before did !

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 20:29:24 GMT Pies said:

We have to play Miika Saturday with it being league points but it begs the question of who starts Sunday on Sheffield?

Good point.
It will tell us where team priorities lie this year.

But realistically,Miika should play both games,if we can't trust his fitness for a two game weekend when it's another week to the next game,then you have to almost question his re signing.

[yeti]

I don't think going a day early would of made a difference tonight. It is an extra night that players are out of their own beds and therefore they don't sleep as well and this would of negated any benefits from travelling up a day early. It would of made a difference to Fridays game buy they won that one anyhow.
Playing a third game away in three nights Is the problem. The Scottish teams are a lot stronger now and we should only play double headers away in Scotland.

[PantherB]

Sept 11, 2016 20:48:45 GMT iginla said:

Sept 11, 2016 20:29:24 GMT Pies said:

We have to play Miika Saturday with it being league points but it begs the question of who starts Sunday on Sheffield?

Good point.
It will tell us where team priorities lie this year.

But realistically,Miika should play both games,if we can't trust his fitness for a two game weekend when it's another week to the next game,then you have to almost question his re signing.

Bit of a pointless thing to raise. Wiikman will be fine, good to go next weekend but if he's given lots to do against Cardiff, he will tire and his groin will become more injury prone if he gets played against Steelers in what is likely to be a very tough and physical game.

I'd rather sit Wiikman when reasonable to as it's a marathon, not a sprint. If we play him in every game he will get injured, and that'll have us back to square one pretty much and Pacl wouldn't have any time under his belt.  Pacl is capable, personally i'd play Wiikman for Cardiff 100% but then re-assess things after the game, if we don't play Pacl, Orli will take him back.

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 20:43:29 GMT @pidge said:

Sept 11, 2016 20:34:42 GMT iginla said:

I am indeed,what would we speak about if there wern't differences of opinion ?

Nobody can ever say I don't put my neck on the line to be shot down.
I said we should have gone early because of tiredness and it cost us at the end.
I said the Fife game was the toughest,it was.
I said they were good and they were.
I said their goalie was good and he was.

To me four points from six in Scotland is not good enough.
We should have gone early.
Wiikman should have played all three games if fit.
And if Wiikman was going to sit a game,it should have been Dundee.

If you think 4 out of 6 isn't good enough you're living in cloud cuckoo land. Fife is tough to go up at the easiest of times. I doubt going up on Friday had much baring on tonight. Fatigue from playing 120 mins before did !

You've answered your own statement Pidge,it was obvious fatigue would play a part from bad scheduling.
In my opinion we should never even go for a three in three anyway,but if your going to do it,at least give yourself a chance by going early and don't leave the toughest game until the last one.

If you think 0.66 hockey against the Scots is good enough,then you better hope that we do a damn sight better against Sheffield,Cardiff,Belfast and Coventry,because you need to improve on that point percentage if you want to win the league.
So if you are going to accept under par points gain against the Gardiner teams,you have to be well over par against the Erhardt teams to pull it back !

[yeti]

An away record of 0.66 could be good enough against the Scots as long as the home record is at least 0.90. The Scottish teams will take points at home from all the other teams.

We should however give ourselves the best chance of maximum points and should never play three in a row home or away. By the third game the players will always be knackered.

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 21:12:36 GMT yeti said:

An away record of 0.66 could be good enough against the Scots as long as the home record is at least 0.90. The Scottish teams will take points at home from all the other teams.

We should however give ourselves the best chance of maximum points and should never play three in a row home or away. By the third game the players will always be knackered.

Certainly the home record % would have to be very high.
But you would also have to be something like 0.75 against the big teams and that isn't easy to achieve.

Personally I don't think we should ever go to Belfast for a double header either,because we rarely if ever come out of that one very well too.

[endisforever91]

Sorry guys I am not going to buy fatigue or travelling. It's the start of the season so 3 in 3 should be more than manageable, and any disadvantage you did have would have been more than evened out by the fact that at 10.30pm last night the Flyers would still be packing up their kit in the middle of Belfast - travelling from Northern Ireland a far more tiresome trip than the short coach ride the Panthers players would have had from their hotel.

The Flyers are arguably the form team in the league at the moment - they've won at home to Belfast and away at Braehead and have a netminder on a hot streak. Come the end of the season they are unlikely to be in the running for the title but Braehead are, and you won there. Cheer up, it might never happen...

[wgray]

Sept 11, 2016 21:12:36 GMT yeti said:

An away record of 0.66 could be good enough against the Scots as long as the home record is at least 0.90. The Scottish teams will take points at home from all the other teams.

We should however give ourselves the best chance of maximum points and should never play three in a row home or away. By the third game the players will always be knackered.

Nail on the head! I very much doubt we will drop many points at home to the scots which is why 0.66 hockey this weekend is good

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 22:04:50 GMT endisforever91 said:

Sorry guys I am not going to buy fatigue or travelling. It's the start of the season so 3 in 3 should be more than manageable, and any disadvantage you did have would have been more than evened out by the fact that at 10.30pm last night the Flyers would still be packing up their kit in the middle of Belfast - travelling from Northern Ireland a far more tiresome trip than the short coach ride the Panthers players would have had from their hotel.

The Flyers are arguably the form team in the league at the moment - they've won at home to Belfast and away at Braehead and have a netminder on a hot streak. Come the end of the season they are unlikely to be in the running for the title but Braehead are, and you won there. Cheer up, it might never happen...

Couldn't agree with you more.
We lost because of our own shortcomings and the sooner some people see that the better !

As for the title,right now I fancy the Flyers to finish above Braehead and if Panthers can't win it,I hope Fife do.

[iginla]

Sept 11, 2016 22:15:07 GMT wgray said:

Sept 11, 2016 21:12:36 GMT yeti said:

An away record of 0.66 could be good enough against the Scots as long as the home record is at least 0.90. The Scottish teams will take points at home from all the other teams.

We should however give ourselves the best chance of maximum points and should never play three in a row home or away. By the third game the players will always be knackered.

Nail on the head! I very much doubt we will drop many points at home to the scots which is why 0.66 hockey this weekend is good

It's only any good if you go at least 0.75 against the big guns though and that ain't easy !

[Deleted]

Sept 11, 2016 22:04:50 GMT endisforever91 said:

Sorry guys I am not going to buy fatigue or travelling. It's the start of the season so 3 in 3 should be more than manageable, and any disadvantage you did have would have been more than evened out by the fact that at 10.30pm last night the Flyers would still be packing up their kit in the middle of Belfast - travelling from Northern Ireland a far more tiresome trip than the short coach ride the Panthers players would have had from their hotel.

The Flyers are arguably the form team in the league at the moment - they've won at home to Belfast and away at Braehead and have a netminder on a hot streak. Come the end of the season they are unlikely to be in the running for the title but Braehead are, and you won there. Cheer up, it might never happen...

Not sure anyone's blaming fatigue, are they? Not even Corey in the post match interview.  

[Mozzy]

Sept 11, 2016 20:55:30 GMT PantherB said:

Sept 11, 2016 20:48:45 GMT iginla said:

Good point.
It will tell us where team priorities lie this year.

But realistically,Miika should play both games,if we can't trust his fitness for a two game weekend when it's another week to the next game,then you have to almost question his re signing.

Bit of a pointless thing to raise. Wiikman will be fine, good to go next weekend but if he's given lots to do against Cardiff, he will tire and his groin will become more injury prone if he gets played against Steelers in what is likely to be a very tough and physical game.

I'd rather sit Wiikman when reasonable to as it's a marathon, not a sprint. If we play him in every game he will get injured, and that'll have us back to square one pretty much and Pacl wouldn't have any time under his belt.  Pacl is capable, personally i'd play Wiikman for Cardiff 100% but then re-assess things after the game, if we don't play Pacl, Orli will take him back.

Just to interject here, are you seriously worrying about the fitness of your No.1 goalie this early in the season? He should be capable of playing 3 in 3. Let's be honest here plenty of EIHL goalies have done 3 in 3 in the past and been perfectly OK with it.

Can see why teams will want the cover Pacl gives you, especially with recent goaltender injuries but if you are suggesting his main team will want him back if he doesn't play then you have to think what the terms of his deal are.

For me, the No.1 plays all games unless out of form or injured.

There are two sides to this imo. On one hand having cover is great for injuries, on the other hand having to find game time for an import back up could interrupt the form of the number no.1.

Yes, other teams in Europe and America\Canada do it, but in all fairness, once it get's to play off time they tend to stick with their No.1. As we are the only league that plays a league system like we do, then you could say our league is more like their playoffs. Results matter far more in our regular season than anywhere else in the world.

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PantherB, do you know the terms of the Pacl deal?!

[endisforever91]

Sept 11, 2016 22:33:11 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

Sept 11, 2016 22:04:50 GMT endisforever91 said:

Sorry guys I am not going to buy fatigue or travelling. It's the start of the season so 3 in 3 should be more than manageable, and any disadvantage you did have would have been more than evened out by the fact that at 10.30pm last night the Flyers would still be packing up their kit in the middle of Belfast - travelling from Northern Ireland a far more tiresome trip than the short coach ride the Panthers players would have had from their hotel.

The Flyers are arguably the form team in the league at the moment - they've won at home to Belfast and away at Braehead and have a netminder on a hot streak. Come the end of the season they are unlikely to be in the running for the title but Braehead are, and you won there. Cheer up, it might never happen...

Not sure anyone's blaming fatigue, are they? Not even Corey in the post match interview.  

Several people on this thread certainly have...

[PantherB]

Sept 11, 2016 22:46:50 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

PantherB, do you know the terms of the Pacl deal?!

No but he's too valuable a prospect to be have bought by the club permenantly, there would be no deal/link in place with Orli either if it wasn't a loan because you're essentially taking a future starting goalie from them who's classed as homegrown in their league

[fishman]

Sept 11, 2016 22:33:11 GMT @jordannooooooo said:

Sept 11, 2016 22:04:50 GMT endisforever91 said:

Sorry guys I am not going to buy fatigue or travelling. It's the start of the season so 3 in 3 should be more than manageable, and any disadvantage you did have would have been more than evened out by the fact that at 10.30pm last night the Flyers would still be packing up their kit in the middle of Belfast - travelling from Northern Ireland a far more tiresome trip than the short coach ride the Panthers players would have had from their hotel.

The Flyers are arguably the form team in the league at the moment - they've won at home to Belfast and away at Braehead and have a netminder on a hot streak. Come the end of the season they are unlikely to be in the running for the title but Braehead are, and you won there. Cheer up, it might never happen...

Not sure anyone's blaming fatigue, are they? Not even Corey in the post match interview.  

CN says in is report "3 in 3 is very tough", maybe if the Panthers/flyers game had have been Friday the result might have been a win, but take nothing away from Five they look a good team.

  On a positive note PK doing very well.

[deke]

For God sake 2 out of three is a good result for us. We didn't look bad in any of the games and played well. Yeah it would be great if we won every single game. Not gonna happen though. A triple header in Scotland is damn difficult the flyers and braehead have both strengthened. It's not an easy trip at all. As for wiikman people whine and say he should start if fit. Ideally yes but if by giving him a rest after two back to back games we keep him fit I'm happy. Panthers can't really win with some people. If wiikman played yesterday particular people would be having a go at them for not resting him. Panthers took the long view, yeah we lost yeah wiikman may have prevented it but A wiikman may have got injured ruling him out of the home double this week and B we don't play pacl he gets recalled and we get green back as cover. I don't do happy chappy I think that panthers do get things wrong and we can improve things, but some people are really starting to be grating with their doom and gloom spiel of if we don't win every game we won't win the title the seasons over we are gonna finish last and Gary and Corey are planning to overthrow the city ( exaggerated but you get the point). Seriously things are not as bad as people have made out