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Post by PantherG on Aug 17, 2016 17:27:39 GMT
I never expected to have even close to a full team for the Aladdin Cup, hence why I'm not parting with my hard earned cash to attend. I'll be waiting until the home game against Cardiff before I'm in the NIC watching the team, hopefully by then we'll have the majority of imports in place.
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Post by texpef on Aug 17, 2016 17:54:47 GMT
Look at it like this; Nikiforuk and Spang have to wait for their Visa, Spang's shouldn't take long but both have only in the last week or two found out that they'll be moving to the UK. I'd assume both have returned to North America for Offseason. They have to sort out their belongings, pack it and ship it, sort their luggage and flights out, any connections and other travel. Sort out their families, for all we know one of their parents may be ill or very old, suitable arrangements need to be made so they're looked after, of course they may have done it before in the past but things change quickly so it will always be difficult. Any children they may have, wife, girlfriend etc.. They've got to find school places, jobs and sort out all of their needs and requirements too, not exactly easy in a very short space of time. Moran has kids and his wife, there'll no doubt be a lot of trouble sorting everything out with them making sure they've got everything they need before upping and moving back to the UK after leaving 4 months ago. Should've been sorted earlier? Arguably but his kids are young, anyone who has had kids will know that moving them across the world again will likely be a nightmare. Schultz and Dimmen, I'd expect both in around the weekend. Perhaps not the Clan game but one game missed won't be a huge trouble. They should have had everything sorted well in advance, especially Dimmen with his University Deal, but again, personal and family stuff may have delayed them. They may have done it before but it's still not a small move. Perhaps starting Pre-Season a week earlier and having a two week camp would sort out this stuff in the future. Worked well enough for Cardiff and Sheffield though their opponents will likely have given players a bit more motivation thatn it would Braehead and Coventry. Clan are missing players too, they'll be as short as we are, maybe even shorter. They're unlikely to have Rosehill. Our tough guy, final import.. Should be signed in the next week and here by the end of September, hopefully. What a whole bunch of excuses for what should be old hat for professional hockey players who ply their trade abroad... No excuses, if they are now a paid panthers player(and theres a thought) they should be here.... end of... If they dont want to come here dont come...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 17, 2016 18:02:20 GMT
Look at it like this; Nikiforuk and Spang have to wait for their Visa, Spang's shouldn't take long but both have only in the last week or two found out that they'll be moving to the UK. I'd assume both have returned to North America for Offseason. They have to sort out their belongings, pack it and ship it, sort their luggage and flights out, any connections and other travel. Sort out their families, for all we know one of their parents may be ill or very old, suitable arrangements need to be made so they're looked after, of course they may have done it before in the past but things change quickly so it will always be difficult. Any children they may have, wife, girlfriend etc.. They've got to find school places, jobs and sort out all of their needs and requirements too, not exactly easy in a very short space of time. Moran has kids and his wife, there'll no doubt be a lot of trouble sorting everything out with them making sure they've got everything they need before upping and moving back to the UK after leaving 4 months ago. Should've been sorted earlier? Arguably but his kids are young, anyone who has had kids will know that moving them across the world again will likely be a nightmare. Schultz and Dimmen, I'd expect both in around the weekend. Perhaps not the Clan game but one game missed won't be a huge trouble. They should have had everything sorted well in advance, especially Dimmen with his University Deal, but again, personal and family stuff may have delayed them. They may have done it before but it's still not a small move. Perhaps starting Pre-Season a week earlier and having a two week camp would sort out this stuff in the future. Worked well enough for Cardiff and Sheffield though their opponents will likely have given players a bit more motivation thatn it would Braehead and Coventry. Clan are missing players too, they'll be as short as we are, maybe even shorter. They're unlikely to have Rosehill. Our tough guy, final import.. Should be signed in the next week and here by the end of September, hopefully. Just as well they don't have proper jobs like most other people then
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Post by Yotes on Aug 17, 2016 18:02:33 GMT
Look at it like this; Nikiforuk and Spang have to wait for their Visa, Spang's shouldn't take long but both have only in the last week or two found out that they'll be moving to the UK. I'd assume both have returned to North America for Offseason. They have to sort out their belongings, pack it and ship it, sort their luggage and flights out, any connections and other travel. Sort out their families, for all we know one of their parents may be ill or very old, suitable arrangements need to be made so they're looked after, of course they may have done it before in the past but things change quickly so it will always be difficult. Any children they may have, wife, girlfriend etc.. They've got to find school places, jobs and sort out all of their needs and requirements too, not exactly easy in a very short space of time. Moran has kids and his wife, there'll no doubt be a lot of trouble sorting everything out with them making sure they've got everything they need before upping and moving back to the UK after leaving 4 months ago. Should've been sorted earlier? Arguably but his kids are young, anyone who has had kids will know that moving them across the world again will likely be a nightmare. Schultz and Dimmen, I'd expect both in around the weekend. Perhaps not the Clan game but one game missed won't be a huge trouble. They should have had everything sorted well in advance, especially Dimmen with his University Deal, but again, personal and family stuff may have delayed them. They may have done it before but it's still not a small move. Perhaps starting Pre-Season a week earlier and having a two week camp would sort out this stuff in the future. Worked well enough for Cardiff and Sheffield though their opponents will likely have given players a bit more motivation thatn it would Braehead and Coventry. Clan are missing players too, they'll be as short as we are, maybe even shorter. They're unlikely to have Rosehill. Our tough guy, final import.. Should be signed in the next week and here by the end of September, hopefully. Does Spang need a visa if he's an Italian dual national? Him & Niki have an excuse, they were signed late, there will be some lead time required, especially with immigration. Others had 2 year deals or were re-signed a good while ago now, they knew they were coming back in April, there's no excuse at all. It's a job not a hobby (I say this at this point every off-season), if the first day of work is August 15th you get there for August 15th. If there's a personal reason that prevents it, the club should be able to communicate this (obviously not the finer details). It's the club seemingly not doing everything they could again. You say it won't matter that they miss this time, or some of it, but in that case why bother at all? Why play the Aladdin Cup, or go to Amiens? Just turn up first week in September and get on with it, save a few quid.
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2016 18:20:59 GMT
Look at it like this; Nikiforuk and Spang have to wait for their Visa, Spang's shouldn't take long but both have only in the last week or two found out that they'll be moving to the UK. I'd assume both have returned to North America for Offseason. They have to sort out their belongings, pack it and ship it, sort their luggage and flights out, any connections and other travel. Sort out their families, for all we know one of their parents may be ill or very old, suitable arrangements need to be made so they're looked after, of course they may have done it before in the past but things change quickly so it will always be difficult. Any children they may have, wife, girlfriend etc.. They've got to find school places, jobs and sort out all of their needs and requirements too, not exactly easy in a very short space of time. Moran has kids and his wife, there'll no doubt be a lot of trouble sorting everything out with them making sure they've got everything they need before upping and moving back to the UK after leaving 4 months ago. Should've been sorted earlier? Arguably but his kids are young, anyone who has had kids will know that moving them across the world again will likely be a nightmare. Schultz and Dimmen, I'd expect both in around the weekend. Perhaps not the Clan game but one game missed won't be a huge trouble. They should have had everything sorted well in advance, especially Dimmen with his University Deal, but again, personal and family stuff may have delayed them. They may have done it before but it's still not a small move. Perhaps starting Pre-Season a week earlier and having a two week camp would sort out this stuff in the future. Worked well enough for Cardiff and Sheffield though their opponents will likely have given players a bit more motivation thatn it would Braehead and Coventry. Clan are missing players too, they'll be as short as we are, maybe even shorter. They're unlikely to have Rosehill. Our tough guy, final import.. Should be signed in the next week and here by the end of September, hopefully. I have never heard so many poor excuses in my life. If they can't hack it,they shouldn't be a hockey player. Crikey what would they do if they were back in Canada where they get traded in an instant and told "here's your plane ticket,get yourself to Alaska Aces tomorrow" ! Most of them come in on their own first anyway and the wife and kids follow on later,after they've had a couple of weeks of beings boys on their own. I believe they generally tell the Mrs "I will go on ahead and if it's any good you can follow a bit later" ! Lol As for Braehead being short too......well that's a surprise isn't it,seeing as they are another Neil Black team !!
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Post by PantherB on Aug 17, 2016 18:40:20 GMT
People need to stop throwing the word 'excuses' around when they're not in the situation.
Say one of you got a job in Canada, i would bet my future life savings that nobody would be able to move over with ease and just pack up and leave. It's ridiculous to say it's excuses, how do we know that our players' lives are all gold and rainbows with no problems? We don't. How do we know that the imediate family of these players are in good health with no problems? We don't. For all we know Moran's kid could have broken his leg for example, would any of you honestly just pack up regardless? No. So unless you're the actual player you do not know what's going off, therefore any accusation of 'excuses' is simply, something which unless you have solid 110% reliable information from nobody but the player, stay in your mouth. Panthers aren't the type of team to let players walk all over them, we've seen what's happened in the past when players have tried to get one over the club, they fail and get a bad name for themselves. If these players were taking us for mugs then we wouldn't sign them. They won't get paid until they're here.
2 teams have all of their players in, Devils and Steelers. Both started earlier, with bigger games, games where the players get an opportunity to showcase themselves to bigger and better teams, so both have their players.
Missing one of 6 Pre-Season games (inc. CC game).. That's not a big deal. Besides Spang and Nikiforuk, the rest know Corey's systems. Waugh spoke about it in his Interview, it's easier for returning players and all they have to focus on is getting up to speed.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 17, 2016 19:28:08 GMT
If they miss the first preseason game, they've also missed a week of ice time together.
How about this: Club: "All players are to report for preseason on August 15th." Brad Moran, who by now is all ready to go because of the above, August 13th (unlucky for some): "The kid's busted his leg, I'm going to have to ask for a compassionate leave" Club accept this, on website: "All players reported to preseason today, except for Brad Moran who has been granted compassionate leave due to a family issue." Miserable Cageites: "Fair enough, we're not monsters."
Or just wing it. Whatever's easiest.
(Brad Moran and his unfortunate kid used as an example.)
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Post by PantherB on Aug 17, 2016 19:35:47 GMT
If they miss the first preseason game, they've also missed a week of ice time together. How about this: Club: "All players are to report for preseason on August 15th." Brad Moran, who by now is all ready to go because of the above, August 13th (unlucky for some): "The kid's busted his leg, I'm going to have to ask for a compassionate leave" Club accept this, on website: "All players reported to preseason today, except for Brad Moran who has been granted compassionate leave due to a family issue." Miserable Cageites: "Fair enough, we're not monsters." Or just wing it. Whatever's easiest. (Brad Moran and his unfortunate kid used as an example.) We rarely get told what injuries occur to our own players besides the Upper/Lower Body, they'd never publicise anything to do with that kind of scenario unless it was a death. But that would be the way to do it if that was the case. If you can accept and understand that then surely you can understand the endless amount of other potential reasons? It's not exactly going to be a case of these players sat on their couch eating snacks all day and will just get a flight when they can be bothered. As others have pointed out, though in more counter-point terms against me, these are professional players and it's a job, not a hobby.. So why would they sit back and wait as long as possible when their pay cheque is awaiting them in Nottingham
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Post by Yotes on Aug 17, 2016 19:43:56 GMT
Maybe they don't like preseason training much, it's probably hard work. Maybe they're enjoying the downtime. Maybe they didn't apply for their work permit in time. Or didn't book a flight in time. Or Gary wants them on a cheaper flight.
You mentioned one of us getting a job in Canada, well we'd be given a date to be there, turning up when it suits us wouldn't be happening.
They told us when that CHL ringer we had couldn't stay because of his child. Forget his name, euro.
It happens every year, you really believe all of them had/have some insurmountable personal issue to prevent them getting here on time?
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Post by Shorty on Aug 17, 2016 19:46:54 GMT
Hopefully, Notts will be in the t20 final, so it wI'll be irrelevant to a lot.
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Post by shinobi on Aug 17, 2016 19:57:28 GMT
Well, you won't see me there. Anyone that pays to watch this is a fool Well I only get one weekend off in a five week cycle, assuming it's not cancelled...Ill be attending with my little boy who's desperate to go, so I guess I'm a fool.
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2016 20:02:18 GMT
Maybe they don't like preseason training much, it's probably hard work. Maybe they're enjoying the downtime. Maybe they didn't apply for their work permit in time. Or didn't book a flight in time. Or Gary wants them on a cheaper flight. You mentioned one of us getting a job in Canada, well we'd be given a date to be there, turning up when it suits us wouldn't be happening. They told us when that CHL ringer we had couldn't stay because of his child. Forget his name, euro. It happens every year, you really believe all of them had/have some insurmountable personal issue to prevent them getting here on time? Spot on Yotes. If it were the odd player then yes we could understand it,but it's not,we are missing six or seven guys with one not even signed. Players sit on paperwork on purpose then blame the slow system,some of them don't like pre season stuff etc etc. And that's not me saying that,some of our own guys have told me it happens. A month ago some of us said this was shortage of players was going to happen and it has. Panthers just do not do all they can to win on many things. Look at the respective CHL campaigns of us and Steelers. Steelers went first thing yesterday morning,had last evening/night taking it easy,had all day today and trained twice,have all day tomorrow and then play tomorrow night. Now contrast that with the short on time,horrendous coach trip Panthers gave themselves when we went to Finland and Sweden. At present there just seems no comparison between the professionalism of the two teams,one is doing absolutely everything possible it can to win and the other.......well it's just bumbling along like a semi pro team on a lot of fronts !
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Post by Mark on Aug 17, 2016 20:09:34 GMT
I won't be bothering with the Aladdin Cup. I decided to put as much effort in as the Panthers have in getting the squad together. There's a reason we've only won one League Title in Thirty Six years. The attitude of the club concerning the prompt arrival of players is a good example of it.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 17, 2016 20:16:25 GMT
Maybe they don't like preseason training much, it's probably hard work. Maybe they're enjoying the downtime. Maybe they didn't apply for their work permit in time. Or didn't book a flight in time. Or Gary wants them on a cheaper flight. You mentioned one of us getting a job in Canada, well we'd be given a date to be there, turning up when it suits us wouldn't be happening. They told us when that CHL ringer we had couldn't stay because of his child. Forget his name, euro. It happens every year, you really believe all of them had/have some insurmountable personal issue to prevent them getting here on time? You would be given a date to be there, but with Visa's taking time and having to sort out stuff at this end and the Canadian end, it wouldn't be easy to stick to any schedule. That would've been Podlesak, i think that was his newborn baby bieng rushed to hospital back home so he packed up and retired imediately. Family comes first. I don't believe all of them have personal issues but potential delays don't just stop at personal issues, there could be Visa issues, long delays etc.. Who knows. Or maybe a player has to sell their house/rent their house back home and that obviously isn't an easy process either and they have to be there to sort it all out. There will be some who milk the time off, throw Training Camp in and show up on Friday so they practically get one training session and then play a game. MacMillan doing that wouldn't surprise me, always seemed to be a bit of a free spirit. Panthers just need to tell us who's actually here, they didn't tell us Waugh was here and just released an interview with him. Are all the University deal players here? Is it just Waugh and Brown that're here out of the lot of them? I'm very happy with the recent social media from Panthers but they blatantly ignore most things unless it's tickets related. Ask who's here and who's getting here when? Nothing. Ask about jerseys, we know they're here.. Nothing. Question about tickets.. Near instant reply. Ps. If someone from Panthers reads this as i know someone does every so often, you're doing okay.. but ignoring fans and their very valid questions is ridiculous and poor. Fix up.
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2016 20:45:38 GMT
And if you're reading this Panthers.
Buck your ideas up.......because there's a team 40 miles away who are making you look like a bunch of amateurs !!!!
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Post by fishman on Aug 17, 2016 21:05:07 GMT
By the look of the amount of unsold tickets they are not the only that will be missing for the game on Saturday ,
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2016 21:15:17 GMT
By the look of the amount of unsold tickets they are not the only that will be missing for the game on Saturday , Good,i hope nobody turns up.....it might teach Panthers a lesson !
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Post by Yotes on Aug 17, 2016 21:21:59 GMT
By the look of the amount of unsold tickets they are not the only that will be missing for the game on Saturday , Good,i hope nobody turns up.....it might teach Panthers a lesson ! I bet you go
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Post by Shorty on Aug 17, 2016 22:04:25 GMT
Free ticket, so it doesnt count....
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Post by iginla on Aug 17, 2016 22:15:06 GMT
Free ticket, so it doesnt count.... Yep....and if it wasn't i wouldn't be !
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Post by Pies on Aug 18, 2016 7:25:25 GMT
What the problem stems down to again is just the complete lack of clarity offered by the Panthers. We're going to be imports short this weekend, I can accept. Some were signed late and I can deal with that. Players not having their paperwork done when they signed in April/May isn't acceptable. Especially considering other teams have managed it. Why aren't the club saying "come on x, sort this out, you're under contract" no other line of work would allow this.
Why can't the club just be honest and say "on Saturday we'll only have the following guys here" but to compensate the tickets will be 10 quid. In my job, the biggest amount of feedback I get is "if I'd just been told the situation from the start, I wouldn't have been so upset". The exact some approach can be used here.
I will defend the club and team on a lot of issues but not on this. However, I will still be at the game because clearly I'm a sucker for punishment and I will be travelling to France. It may not be perfect but I don't think I can stand any more Saturday night TV
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Post by dexter on Aug 18, 2016 12:14:18 GMT
Im not going. If Panthers can't be bothered to sort things properly I'll vote with my wallet. Some on here trot out so many excuses I'm starting to think they must be Neil Black!
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Post by iginla on Aug 18, 2016 12:28:00 GMT
Im not going. If Panthers can't be bothered to sort things properly I'll vote with my wallet. Some on here trot out so many excuses I'm starting to think they must be Neil Black! I thought that about Pantherb too !
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Post by mattscold on Aug 18, 2016 14:27:38 GMT
I'm not bothered that I paid to go see the game on Saturday as I am at how amateurish the situation is. You only have to look at Cardiff and Sheffields approach. Very frustrating.
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Post by Shorty on Aug 18, 2016 16:40:37 GMT
Im not going. If Panthers can't be bothered to sort things properly I'll vote with my wallet. Some on here trot out so many excuses I'm starting to think they must be Neil Black! I thought that about Pantherb too ! On that basis, you must be Dave Simms...
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