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Post by Bagheera on Aug 28, 2016 19:05:21 GMT
Rumours coming through of a second import nettie. Let's see, but I got messages minutes apart from 2 different unatached sources. Could all be from the same original source mind as with most of these things.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Aug 28, 2016 19:23:33 GMT
Rumours coming through of a second import nettie. Let's see, but I got messages minutes apart from 2 different unatached sources. Could all be from the same original source mind as with most of these things. Jindrich Pacl?.. It's in the rumours section
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 19:24:47 GMT
And so we wait Shaggy because it's only a week til the Coventry game....fine. Then it turns out Wiikman is going to be out for a month and the week after we end up going to Scotland for a triple header with Green in goal,because it's then too late to get anybody else in ! Hell thats not so proactive (or some other bull term) is it !!! And there you again... proving my point. The scenario you suggest is the worst, but far from the only one. But as always, you demand action ("NOW !!!") based only upon the worst possible scenario. Earlier in this thread, you were demanding immediate action within about an hour or so of reports of an injury to Miika. Well before any proper medical assessment could be made. Knee-jerk reactions based upon little or no hard information are not the sensible course of action. Wait, find out what the actual facts are, then make a decision. So I take it Shaggy you would be happy to go to go to Scotland for a triple header with Green in net. Even IF Wiikman was fit again in a weeks time,as an injury prone netminder,who has just got injured AGAIN,you would then be asking him to come straight back and play 3 games in 3 nights....madness. It's Groundhog Day again,we all know what's very likely to happen if we don't get cover,just as it did last year. And if I remember correctly we went to Scotland for a triple header last year with Green in net and came back with only a pen shot win and two losses. If Panthers should have learnt one thing from last year it is......don't mess about with injured netminders !
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 28, 2016 19:26:03 GMT
Rumours coming through of a second import nettie. Let's see, but I got messages minutes apart from 2 different unatached sources. Could all be from the same original source mind as with most of these things. Jindrich Pacl?.. It's in the rumours section Yeah I posted there too. Just that there is a lot of chat around a new nettie in this thread so thought i'd share it here too.
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Post by Mark on Aug 28, 2016 19:30:55 GMT
And there you again... proving my point. The scenario you suggest is the worst, but far from the only one. But as always, you demand action ("NOW !!!") based only upon the worst possible scenario. Earlier in this thread, you were demanding immediate action within about an hour or so of reports of an injury to Miika. Well before any proper medical assessment could be made. Knee-jerk reactions based upon little or no hard information are not the sensible course of action. Wait, find out what the actual facts are, then make a decision. Which, If we were always told the truth from the club then all well and done but time and time again especially regards injuries and in particular regards Mika they have proved to at least stretch the truth, look at last season Mika is fit only to then be pulled, put in what is one of the worst backups in the league right now and we lose... again and again.. This cannot be allowed to happen again and if that means signing a temp replacement then so be it. Imho this weekend seems to be a microcosm of what i fear for the season both regards injuries and results. In that we will win more than we lose but when the chips are down and results matter we will come up short and most probably because of injuries to what most likely will be key players who arent replaced or not replaced soon enough. Pessimistic i know but this happens to panthers with an all to familiar regularity from my experience... There's the challenge for the Panthers organisation. Prove that the above viewpoint is incorrect. Last season we blew the league in the main because of the lack of quick decisive action as regards injuries, most obviously Mika. Let's not get caught out again.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 28, 2016 22:13:24 GMT
And there you again... proving my point. The scenario you suggest is the worst, but far from the only one. But as always, you demand action ("NOW !!!") based only upon the worst possible scenario. Earlier in this thread, you were demanding immediate action within about an hour or so of reports of an injury to Miika. Well before any proper medical assessment could be made. Knee-jerk reactions based upon little or no hard information are not the sensible course of action. Wait, find out what the actual facts are, then make a decision. So I take it Shaggy you would be happy to go to go to Scotland for a triple header with Green in net. Did we just teleport over to a Donald Trump political rally? You know, the kind of thing where outrageously-exaggerated and totally-baseless accusations are hurled around in order to justify equally ridiculous so-called solutions with little or no relevance to actual reality? At no point have I stated, or even hinted, that I would be "happy" for what you suggest to happen. That is a wild exaggeration with no basis in fact whatsoever. Either you are totally deluded in thinking that I believe such a thing, or it's just another cynical ploy to try to twist what someone else says to your own ends. Either way, you're so far off the mark we might as well be speaking different languages. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, neatly bypassing any higher brain functions, what I'm saying is this... act with intelligence. Determine the extent of the problem (is Miika badly injured or not), analyse the likely consequences of whatever state he is actually in, and then make plans based upon that. Rational responses, not hysterical reactions. Makes a lot more sense than just demanding everything "NOW !!!"...
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 28, 2016 22:22:27 GMT
Which, If we were always told the truth from the club then all well and done but time and time again especially regards injuries and in particular regards Mika they have proved to at least stretch the truth, look at last season Mika is fit only to then be pulled, put in what is one of the worst backups in the league right now and we lose... again and again.. This cannot be allowed to happen again and if that means signing a temp replacement then so be it. Imho this weekend seems to be a microcosm of what i fear for the season both regards injuries and results. In that we will win more than we lose but when the chips are down and results matter we will come up short and most probably because of injuries to what most likely will be key players who arent replaced or not replaced soon enough. Pessimistic i know but this happens to panthers with an all to familiar regularity from my experience... There's the challenge for the Panthers organisation. Prove that the above viewpoint is incorrect. Of course, that presupposes that the owner(s) of said viewpoint are willing to accept anything that the Panthers say, or willing to acknowledge that any action the Panthers take might be sufficient. Precedent is against you on that one, I'm afraid...
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 22:31:25 GMT
So I take it Shaggy you would be happy to go to go to Scotland for a triple header with Green in net. Did we just teleport over to a Donald Trump political rally? You know, the kind of thing where outrageously-exaggerated and totally-baseless accusations are hurled around in order to justify equally ridiculous so-called solutions with little or no relevance to actual reality? At no point have I stated, or even hinted, that I would be "happy" for what you suggest to happen. That is a wild exaggeration with no basis in fact whatsoever. Either you are totally deluded in thinking that I believe such a thing, or it's just another cynical ploy to try to twist what someone else says to your own ends. Either way, you're so far off the mark we might as well be speaking different languages. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, neatly bypassing any higher brain functions, what I'm saying is this... act with intelligence. Determine the extent of the problem (is Miika badly injured or not), analyse the likely consequences of whatever state he is actually in, and then make plans based upon that. Rational responses, not hysterical reactions. Makes a lot more sense than just demanding everything "NOW !!!"... Perhaps my intelligence or brain function is not working as well as your obvious self opinionated IQ,but by saying "let's wait and see etc etc" what you are actually saying is that you are prepared to go to Scotland with Green in goal. Even if we didn't and Wiikman is cleared to play,with his injury record he is simply not going to play every game this season,therefore we need import back up. I have no intention of twisting anything,especially anything you say. I say it as I see it.and if you don't like that then tough luck ! But even an idiot can see that if Panthers don't react to this Wiikman situation it is going to cost us !
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Post by Ghost on Aug 28, 2016 22:35:56 GMT
Did we just teleport over to a Donald Trump political rally? You know, the kind of thing where outrageously-exaggerated and totally-baseless accusations are hurled around in order to justify equally ridiculous so-called solutions with little or no relevance to actual reality? At no point have I stated, or even hinted, that I would be "happy" for what you suggest to happen. That is a wild exaggeration with no basis in fact whatsoever. Either you are totally deluded in thinking that I believe such a thing, or it's just another cynical ploy to try to twist what someone else says to your own ends. Either way, you're so far off the mark we might as well be speaking different languages. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, neatly bypassing any higher brain functions, what I'm saying is this... act with intelligence. Determine the extent of the problem (is Miika badly injured or not), analyse the likely consequences of whatever state he is actually in, and then make plans based upon that. Rational responses, not hysterical reactions. Makes a lot more sense than just demanding everything "NOW !!!"... Perhaps my intelligence or brain function is not working as well as your obvious self opinionated IQ,but by saying "let's wait and see etc etc" what you are actually saying is that you are prepared to go to Scotland with Green in goal. Even if we didn't and Wiikman is cleared to play,with his injury record he is simply not going to play every game this season,therefore we need import back up. I have no intention of twisting anything,especially anything you say. I say it as I see it.and if you don't like that then tough luck ! But even an idiot can see that if Panthers don't react to this Wiikman situation it is going to cost us ! It's a little ironic that you mention 'self-opinionated IQ' whilst trying to tell the guy what his own post meant.
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 22:58:01 GMT
Perhaps my intelligence or brain function is not working as well as your obvious self opinionated IQ,but by saying "let's wait and see etc etc" what you are actually saying is that you are prepared to go to Scotland with Green in goal. Even if we didn't and Wiikman is cleared to play,with his injury record he is simply not going to play every game this season,therefore we need import back up. I have no intention of twisting anything,especially anything you say. I say it as I see it.and if you don't like that then tough luck ! But even an idiot can see that if Panthers don't react to this Wiikman situation it is going to cost us ! It's a little ironic that you mention 'self-opinionated IQ' whilst trying to tell the guy what his own post meant. He was the one who first related to brain function,intelligence,delusions and Donald Trump etc not me. He is supposed to be a moderator. He started the spat by specifically singling out my post from other similar ones,as he usually does. I don't like his attitude or his attacking posts. Therefore i replied in kind,using his sort of terminology !
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Post by shinobi on Aug 28, 2016 23:04:53 GMT
I think everyone is well aware that if, and that is an IF Miika is crocked for any lengthy time, the club will have to replace him & no one has suggested Green be the starting goalie for the Scottish road trip.
At this point we don't know if he's injured & can only go on what the Panthers have released, ie Miika was replaced due to a purported "strain."
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 23:19:43 GMT
I think everyone is well aware that if, and that is an IF Miika is crocked for any lengthy time, the club will have to replace him & no one has suggested Green be the starting goalie for the Scottish road trip. At this point we don't know if he's injured & can only go on what the Panthers have released, ie Miika was replaced due to a purported "strain." I agree with you. The problem is we can't afford to play the wait and see game for more than a couple of days without risking going to Scotland with Green in goal. But even if Wiikman is passed fit,we have to assume that it's going to keep flaring up again so it seems sensible to line up cover. They may have it in hand already for all we know. Being really really cynical....is he really injured ? Or was it pre arranged to rest Wiikman and get Green in goal without the fans being able to flame Corey for playing him again ?
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Post by shinobi on Aug 28, 2016 23:41:38 GMT
I would very much imagine Neilson doesn't care what us fans say about him at the end of the day. No doubt developed a thick skin.
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Post by iginla on Aug 29, 2016 15:13:03 GMT
I would very much imagine Neilson doesn't care what us fans say about him at the end of the day. No doubt developed a thick skin. Judging by that news item photo of him on the website about Amiens "being a good tournament",I think he might have developed more than a thick skin. There's got to be a caption competition with that photo ! Lol
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Post by PantherB on Aug 29, 2016 22:29:03 GMT
At what point did Wiikman exit proceedings? ditto it was immediately after Quebec's 3rd. Stayed down for a good couple minutes with his head in his hands before being assisted off. Waugh got a 10min misconduct at the same time, personal misconduct I believe.
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Post by Panthers44 on Aug 30, 2016 11:18:43 GMT
Was in Amiens and heard that Mikka had to leave the game with dehydration and severe cramps.
I can believe that this is true as it was over 30 degrees outside and the rink had a glass roof so was like playing in a greenhouse. Two games in those conditions with less than 12 hours between
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 30, 2016 14:08:48 GMT
Was in Amiens and heard that Mikka had to leave the game with dehydration and severe cramps. I can believe that this is true as it was over 30 degrees outside and the rink had a glass roof so was like playing in a greenhouse. Two games in those conditions with less than 12 hours between if that's true then that is very poor by the club and Miika. you know its hot, you know you'll be active, get the proper hydration in throughout the day. rookie stuff
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Post by panthers_nyr on Aug 30, 2016 14:25:57 GMT
Was in Amiens and heard that Mikka had to leave the game with dehydration and severe cramps. I can believe that this is true as it was over 30 degrees outside and the rink had a glass roof so was like playing in a greenhouse. Two games in those conditions with less than 12 hours between Various people from different teams said the rink got to around 52 degrees during the Saturday night game, us lot cheering and chanting etc. started to feel it so can't imagine what it was like in full kit. Still slightly poor of us to not address that as it was known it'd be hot but I guess no one would of thought it'd get as hot as it did.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 30, 2016 14:33:06 GMT
Club said it was a strain, I'd think they'd have preferred to say cramp because of the heat.
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Post by Peacock on Aug 30, 2016 16:22:17 GMT
if that's true then that is very poor by the club and Miika. you know its hot, you know you'll be active, get the proper hydration in throughout the day. rookie stuff Never seen a pro athlete get cramp before? Sometimes it's not purely down to fluid intake.
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Post by PantherB on Aug 30, 2016 16:26:32 GMT
It was incredibly hot in the rink, the ice was melting during the evening games and that was long after the sun was directly on it. It would have easily been over 35'c in the Rink on Saturday night and everyone, fans, staff, players, coaches.. Everyone was feeling it and nobody looked like they were coping well.
They went from playing in the cold rink on Friday, which was probably no more than 7'c to playing in heat probably 5 times hotter. The difference was horrific.
When Miika went down on Sunday i thought he was being sick as he had his head in his hands for a long time, but he really didn't look well at all.
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Post by shinobi on Aug 30, 2016 16:55:39 GMT
Club said it was a strain, I'd think they'd have preferred to say cramp because of the heat. Well it was listed as a "strain" so make of that what you will.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 30, 2016 17:59:01 GMT
if that's true then that is very poor by the club and Miika. you know its hot, you know you'll be active, get the proper hydration in throughout the day. rookie stuff Never seen a pro athlete get cramp before? Sometimes it's not purely down to fluid intake. Course Ive seen guys get cramp, caused by dehydration if I'm correct? So maybe if the guys get hydrated and replace lost electrolytes it might have been prevented? Granted it was hot and he would have been hot in his gear but this should have been picked up on. Just saying
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Post by Peacock on Aug 30, 2016 18:25:44 GMT
Never seen a pro athlete get cramp before? Sometimes it's not purely down to fluid intake. Course Ive seen guys get cramp, caused by dehydration if I'm correct? So maybe if the guys get hydrated and replace lost electrolytes it might have been prevented? Granted it was hot and he would have been hot in his gear but this should have been picked up on. Just saying As I said, cramp isn't only caused by dehydration. Idiopathic cramp is thought to be caused by, amongst other things, excessive strain placed on muscles such as when exercising, or a sudden restriction in the blood supply to the affected muscle. Secondary cramp can be caused by general exertion, any number of neurological conditions, dehydration, and other less common, but equally valid causes. To accuse the club of 'rookie stuff' and the club and Miika being 'very poor' in their approach to the game, is way too simplistic, when it's not even clear that he had cramp/was de-hydrated in the first place.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 30, 2016 19:09:52 GMT
Course Ive seen guys get cramp, caused by dehydration if I'm correct? So maybe if the guys get hydrated and replace lost electrolytes it might have been prevented? Granted it was hot and he would have been hot in his gear but this should have been picked up on. Just saying As I said, cramp isn't only caused by dehydration. Idiopathic cramp is thought to be caused by, amongst other things, excessive strain placed on muscles such as when exercising, or a sudden restriction in the blood supply to the affected muscle. Secondary cramp can be caused by general exertion, any number of neurological conditions, dehydration, and other less common, but equally valid causes. To accuse the club of 'rookie stuff' and the club and Miika being 'very poor' in their approach to the game, is way too simplistic, when it's not even clear that he had cramp/was de-hydrated in the first place. Someone knows how to use google 👍🏻 Do you not think that considering the heat in the building and the heat of the player that if it were cramp it would be due to dehydration? I can accuse the club of rookie stuff because for the past 3 years we've had a lot of injuries and we tend throw the player back in not fully fit, got to wonder about the physio, after care and overall conditioning of the players.
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