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Post by Yotes on Aug 28, 2016 14:38:14 GMT
I'm not sure there's a backup out there, at our level, that you'd really want to play many for you, is there? Marr looked no more use in Coventry the other day. Is Green really any less use than any of them?
I've said before I'd rather a younger man had the job, someone with at least the possibility of turning into a Bowns or Murphy, but I'd still not want him playing a lot.
Agree with Kezy though, if Miika is going to miss time they need to act quickly.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 28, 2016 14:47:40 GMT
I'm not sure there's a backup out there, at our level, that you'd really want to play many for you, is there? Marr looked no more use in Coventry the other day. Is Green really any less use than any of them? I've said before I'd rather a younger man had the job, someone with at least the possibility of turning into a Bowns or Murphy, but I'd still not want him playing a lot. Agree with Kezy though, if Miika is going to miss time they need to act quickly. Yes Marr was a LOT better than Green as soon as he settled in. Miles better in fact.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Aug 28, 2016 14:49:19 GMT
Very much agree; knee jerk reactions about a replacement are understandable but let's find out what's actually wrong first. No let's not wait.......because we all know what will happen ! It happened more than once with Kwall and it happened again with Wiikman,get another import signed NOW !! "Panthers medical team pulled Miika Wiikman half-way the game on Sunday as a precaution after he suffered a "strain"." This released from the club puts this the post from Iginla in its place - Knee jerk nonsense. As Yates suggested wait until there is a club statement and the injury has been assessed and to see if a replacement is needed.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 28, 2016 15:01:45 GMT
No let's not wait.......because we all know what will happen ! It happened more than once with Kwall and it happened again with Wiikman,get another import signed NOW !! "Panthers medical team pulled Miika Wiikman half-way the game on Sunday as a precaution after he suffered a "strain"." This released from the club puts this the post from Iginla in its place - Knee jerk nonsense. As Yates suggested wait until there is a club statement and the injury has been assessed and to see if a replacement is needed. im in agreement with Iginla, once it's a weakness of an over use area it'll continue to be a source of injury. We need to be looking for another goalie. If only for a short term
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Post by kezypanther on Aug 28, 2016 15:02:45 GMT
No let's not wait.......because we all know what will happen ! It happened more than once with Kwall and it happened again with Wiikman,get another import signed NOW !! "Panthers medical team pulled Miika Wiikman half-way the game on Sunday as a precaution after he suffered a "strain"." This released from the club puts this the post from Iginla in its place - Knee jerk nonsense. As Yates suggested wait until there is a club statement and the injury has been assessed and to see if a replacement is needed. I totally understand waiting a short period just to see the problem but Panthers have been known for leaving it too long that is all. There might be nothing wrong with him but Panther wouldn't say there was anyway.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 28, 2016 15:23:34 GMT
I'm not sure there's a backup out there, at our level, that you'd really want to play many for you, is there? Marr looked no more use in Coventry the other day. Is Green really any less use than any of them? I've said before I'd rather a younger man had the job, someone with at least the possibility of turning into a Bowns or Murphy, but I'd still not want him playing a lot. Agree with Kezy though, if Miika is going to miss time they need to act quickly. Yes Marr was a LOT better than Green as soon as he settled in. Miles better in fact. That did still include shipping 3 goals though, including some fairly soft ones?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 28, 2016 15:34:18 GMT
Yes Marr was a LOT better than Green as soon as he settled in. Miles better in fact. That did still include shipping 3 goals though, including some fairly soft ones? Yes all very quickly then he and the defence too tightened up where as Green was still like a fish out of water. Green used to be the best backup in the league but that was a while ago.
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 15:38:28 GMT
No let's not wait.......because we all know what will happen ! It happened more than once with Kwall and it happened again with Wiikman,get another import signed NOW !! "Panthers medical team pulled Miika Wiikman half-way the game on Sunday as a precaution after he suffered a "strain"." This released from the club puts this the post from Iginla in its place - Knee jerk nonsense. As Yates suggested wait until there is a club statement and the injury has been assessed and to see if a replacement is needed. Oh no it doesn't. If you want to believe the crap on Panthers website that's up to you,but if Gary Moran came in soaking wet through and said it was raining outside,I would have to go have a look for myself. It wouldn't be the first time they've lied to us lately now would it ! Having taken a chance and re-signed an injury prone goalie and knowing the fans thoughts on Green,they are hardly likely to tell you "oh no Wiikman is injured again" are they. Believe me,i know how they work !
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Post by wasteoftime on Aug 28, 2016 15:47:21 GMT
Is Sam Gospel still playing?
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 28, 2016 16:04:30 GMT
If you want to believe the crap on Panthers website that's up to you,but if Gary Moran came in soaking wet through and said it was raining outside,I would have to go have a look for myself. You see... that's your problem right there. Just as Gary Moran is not always right/believable (far from it!) he's also not always wrong/lying. As with just about everybody (with the possible exception of DS The BS! ) it's somewhere in-between. But your knee-jerk 'believe nothing, criticise everything' approach... it's just too OTT. which is why, even when you are making a decent point, so many people are inclined to reject what you say. With regards to Miika... we don't know the facts yet, it's as simple as that. Hell, the medical team probably don't know the full situation yet because often it takes some time - hours, sometimes a day or two - for the true picture to emerge. This injury, whatever it is exactly, could be something minor - or not. As much as it sounds 'proactive' (or some other management bull term) to demand "ACTION NOW!!"... often it is neither wise nor practical. And there is some leeway when it comes to time... our next game is in a week, and it's Coventry away in the CC. Quite frankly, as much as I always want to win every single last game... if we had to play Greener or someone else temporary in goal for that one with (one would guess) a reduced chance of winning... it wouldn't be a huge problem.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 28, 2016 16:07:25 GMT
Is Sam Gospel still playing? Yes, he's still with Telford Tigers in the EPL.
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 16:21:57 GMT
If you want to believe the crap on Panthers website that's up to you,but if Gary Moran came in soaking wet through and said it was raining outside,I would have to go have a look for myself. You see... that's your problem right there. Just as Gary Moran is not always right/believable (far from it!) he's also not always wrong/lying. As with just about everybody (with the possible exception of DS The BS! ) it's somewhere in-between. But your knee-jerk 'believe nothing, criticise everything' approach... it's just too OTT. which is why, even when you are making a decent point, so many people are inclined to reject what you say. With regards to Miika... we don't know the facts yet, it's as simple as that. Hell, the medical team probably don't know the full situation yet because often it takes some time - hours, sometimes a day or two - for the true picture to emerge. This injury, whatever it is exactly, could be something minor - or not. As much as it sounds 'proactive' (or some other management bull term) to demand "ACTION NOW!!"... often it is neither wise nor practical. And there is some leeway when it comes to time... our next game is in a week, and it's Coventry away in the CC. Quite frankly, as much as I always want to win every single last game... if we had to play Greener or someone else temporary in goal for that one with (one would guess) a reduced chance of winning... it wouldn't be a huge problem. And so we wait Shaggy because it's only a week til the Coventry game....fine. Then it turns out Wiikman is going to be out for a month and the week after we end up going to Scotland for a triple header with Green in goal,because it's then too late to get anybody else in ! Hell thats not so proactive (or some other bull term) is it !!!
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Post by wgray on Aug 28, 2016 16:34:14 GMT
Surely we need the strength and conditioning team, or whatever title the club has them under, to be focusing on Wiikman and looking at improving him physically. I'm not sure how he has picked up this injury but if it wasn't a contact injury then something needs to be changed or improved on the club side so that he can be relied upon, he is an integral part of the team and the best keeper in the league, the club needs to be proactive
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Post by deke on Aug 28, 2016 16:38:53 GMT
The problem is we don't know if miika is properly injured or just needs a few days of rest. If we don't cover in time after that then we might have issues. The fact we have to look at replacement goaltender when miika is injured points out greens inability to be back up. Surely the point of a back up is to cover for injury, if Corey knows green isn't good enough for longer periods of games anf signs a player to cover like shane then he shouldn't put him as a backup
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Post by Mark on Aug 28, 2016 17:02:28 GMT
After today's fallout can somebody explain what the current situation is as regards, players injured, players not arrived yet and positions still to be filled? Thanks in advance.
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Post by iginla on Aug 28, 2016 17:08:57 GMT
After today's fallout can somebody explain what the current situation is as regards, players injured, players not arrived yet and positions still to be filled? Thanks in advance. As far as we know. Moran not here. NIkiforuk not here. 14th import not signed. Schultz injured Wiikman injured. Looking good isn't it !
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Post by Yotes on Aug 28, 2016 17:11:38 GMT
Miika and Schultz have injuries. Carter apparently played with an injury today. Moran and Niki supposed to be here today & tomorrow. Cam replacement still required.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 28, 2016 17:24:50 GMT
Surely we need the strength and conditioning team, or whatever title the club has them under, to be focusing on Wiikman and looking at improving him physically. I'm not sure how he has picked up this injury but if it wasn't a contact injury then something needs to be changed or improved on the club side so that he can be relied upon, he is an integral part of the team and the best keeper in the league, the club needs to be proactive Pretty sure we had a strength and conditioning trainer last season, maybe the club aren't too clued up on its importance so decided it was an unnecessary cost. We should have a lead S&C coach to do all the teams fitness testing, pre prep movement work (joint mobility, flexion etc) along with all their off ice programming looking at different aspects they require for the sport. If the club got the S&C and nutrition spot on we'd see a lot less niggling injuries and reoccurring injuries.
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Post by Bagheera on Aug 28, 2016 17:46:34 GMT
Surely we need the strength and conditioning team, or whatever title the club has them under, to be focusing on Wiikman and looking at improving him physically. I'm not sure how he has picked up this injury but if it wasn't a contact injury then something needs to be changed or improved on the club side so that he can be relied upon, he is an integral part of the team and the best keeper in the league, the club needs to be proactive Pretty sure we had a strength and conditioning trainer last season, maybe the club aren't too clued up on its importance so decided it was an unnecessary cost. We should have a lead S&C coach to do all the teams fitness testing, pre prep movement work (joint mobility, flexion etc) along with all their off ice programming looking at different aspects they require for the sport. If the club got the S&C and nutrition spot on we'd see a lot less niggling injuries and reoccurring injuries. Maybe we've been pushing the players too hard with the S&C these past few seasons, thus the reason we have had too many injuries. Perhaps it's time for a more relaxed approach. Or maybe just let them go out on the Razz a few days before games so they're all relaxed and also bond as a team.
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Post by spik on Aug 28, 2016 17:55:24 GMT
At what point did Wiikman exit proceedings? ditto
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Post by jdizpt8 on Aug 28, 2016 18:04:38 GMT
Pretty sure we had a strength and conditioning trainer last season, maybe the club aren't too clued up on its importance so decided it was an unnecessary cost. We should have a lead S&C coach to do all the teams fitness testing, pre prep movement work (joint mobility, flexion etc) along with all their off ice programming looking at different aspects they require for the sport. If the club got the S&C and nutrition spot on we'd see a lot less niggling injuries and reoccurring injuries. Maybe we've been pushing the players too hard with the S&C these past few seasons, thus the reason we have had too many injuries. Perhaps it's time for a more relaxed approach. Or maybe just let them go out on the Razz a few days before games so they're all relaxed and also bond as a team. A good S&C coach won't push players to over do anything, they work on marginal gains ensuring no form is lost during an compund or isolation exercises, with regards to fitness they will be pushed hard and motivated to exceed their current threshold but that won't cause injuries as they will be given adequate time to recover. This also ties into the nutrition aspect as well if they're on a proper macro they will be having plenty of calories through the day broken down into their correct protein fat and carb intake which should be accompanied with proper supplementation to ensure a quicker recovery period. I feel there's a lot that could be done to better prep and recovery the team between games and training.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 28, 2016 18:30:21 GMT
I think last year's S&C coach was a guy who worked at the gym they were using. Don't think he was full time with the club, could be wrong though. There's no one on the roster page.
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 28, 2016 18:53:30 GMT
You see... that's your problem right there. Just as Gary Moran is not always right/believable (far from it!) he's also not always wrong/lying. As with just about everybody (with the possible exception of DS The BS! ) it's somewhere in-between. But your knee-jerk 'believe nothing, criticise everything' approach... it's just too OTT. which is why, even when you are making a decent point, so many people are inclined to reject what you say. With regards to Miika... we don't know the facts yet, it's as simple as that. Hell, the medical team probably don't know the full situation yet because often it takes some time - hours, sometimes a day or two - for the true picture to emerge. This injury, whatever it is exactly, could be something minor - or not. As much as it sounds 'proactive' (or some other management bull term) to demand "ACTION NOW!!"... often it is neither wise nor practical. And there is some leeway when it comes to time... our next game is in a week, and it's Coventry away in the CC. Quite frankly, as much as I always want to win every single last game... if we had to play Greener or someone else temporary in goal for that one with (one would guess) a reduced chance of winning... it wouldn't be a huge problem. And so we wait Shaggy because it's only a week til the Coventry game....fine. Then it turns out Wiikman is going to be out for a month and the week after we end up going to Scotland for a triple header with Green in goal,because it's then too late to get anybody else in ! Hell thats not so proactive (or some other bull term) is it !!! And there you again... proving my point. The scenario you suggest is the worst, but far from the only one. But as always, you demand action ("NOW !!!") based only upon the worst possible scenario. Earlier in this thread, you were demanding immediate action within about an hour or so of reports of an injury to Miika. Well before any proper medical assessment could be made. Knee-jerk reactions based upon little or no hard information are not the sensible course of action. Wait, find out what the actual facts are, then make a decision.
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Post by pantherman66 on Aug 28, 2016 18:55:54 GMT
For once, and probably the only time ever, I am in agreement with iginla, we need to be looking for a replacement for Wiikman, who I fear has had a recurrence of last season's injury. It seems too much of a coincidence that he should have picked up an injury already and it not be connected to the one he suffered last season. I would not have re-signed him for this season personally, as groin strains and netminders are always bad news. It would be a shame if our season is ruined already, which could be the case if the right decisions are not made immediately.
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Post by texpef on Aug 28, 2016 19:04:30 GMT
And so we wait Shaggy because it's only a week til the Coventry game....fine. Then it turns out Wiikman is going to be out for a month and the week after we end up going to Scotland for a triple header with Green in goal,because it's then too late to get anybody else in ! Hell thats not so proactive (or some other bull term) is it !!! And there you again... proving my point. The scenario you suggest is the worst, but far from the only one. But as always, you demand action ("NOW !!!") based only upon the worst possible scenario. Earlier in this thread, you were demanding immediate action within about an hour or so of reports of an injury to Miika. Well before any proper medical assessment could be made. Knee-jerk reactions based upon little or no hard information are not the sensible course of action. Wait, find out what the actual facts are, then make a decision. Which, If we were always told the truth from the club then all well and done but time and time again especially regards injuries and in particular regards Mika they have proved to at least stretch the truth, look at last season Mika is fit only to then be pulled, put in what is one of the worst backups in the league right now and we lose... again and again.. This cannot be allowed to happen again and if that means signing a temp replacement then so be it. Imho this weekend seems to be a microcosm of what i fear for the season both regards injuries and results. In that we will win more than we lose but when the chips are down and results matter we will come up short and most probably because of injuries to what most likely will be key players who arent replaced or not replaced soon enough. Pessimistic i know but this happens to panthers with an all to familiar regularity from my experience...
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