Mozzy
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Post by Mozzy on Mar 13, 2016 12:57:00 GMT
Can't argue with that. The cultural difference between us & North Americans is that they will always value the Playoffs ahead of the league... That trickles down from the NHL. I think the league being the main focus is an alien concept to them & needs to be taught/learnt. Also, I think your first point has covered your last point. The cultural difference cb23 is not between us and North Americans......it is between Panthers and the Steelers/Devils/Giants and previously Blaze,because they don't seem to have any problems challenging for league titles almost year on year. The fact Panthers have challenged twice at best in the last fifteen years is an atrocious record,even worse when you take into account the size of Panthers compared to other teams. The whole culture within Nottingham Panthers is flawed and until that changes we will witness the same crap every season ! Isn't part of this your fanbase though? Its openly acknowledged that many of your fans are causal fans, due to your location and it being a good night out. You don't have the demands from your fanbase like we do in Sheffield. Your management don't need to do what ours does in Sheffield to ensure big gates. You need to demand more imo, but there are probably far too many "casual" fans to make that impression. Your management are making money, you've won trophies, you have big gates, they are doing a good job in their opinion.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2016 13:02:36 GMT
The cultural difference cb23 is not between us and North Americans......it is between Panthers and the Steelers/Devils/Giants and previously Blaze,because they don't seem to have any problems challenging for league titles almost year on year. The fact Panthers have challenged twice at best in the last fifteen years is an atrocious record,even worse when you take into account the size of Panthers compared to other teams. The whole culture within Nottingham Panthers is flawed and until that changes we will witness the same crap every season ! Isn't part of this your fanbase though? Its openly acknowledged that many of your fans are causal fans, due to your location and it being a good night out. You don't have the demands from your fanbase like we do in Sheffield. Your management don't need to do what ours does in Sheffield to ensure big gates. You need to demand more imo, but there are probably far too many "casual" fans to make that impression. Your management are making money, you've won trophies, you have big gates, they are doing a good job in their opinion. Post of the month right here so far. If you took out the casual fans, the player stalkers and the quiz night enthusiasts together with the fans that are happy for a night out without any expectations then the Panthers fan base who are hockey enthusiasts and really want to see the team to punch their weight is actually a lot smaller than a lot of other teams.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2016 13:49:18 GMT
Isn't part of this your fanbase though? Its openly acknowledged that many of your fans are causal fans, due to your location and it being a good night out. You don't have the demands from your fanbase like we do in Sheffield. Your management don't need to do what ours does in Sheffield to ensure big gates. You need to demand more imo, but there are probably far too many "casual" fans to make that impression. Your management are making money, you've won trophies, you have big gates, they are doing a good job in their opinion. Post of the month right here so far. If you took out the casual fans, the player stalkers and the quiz night enthusiasts together with the fans that are happy for a night out without any expectations then the Panthers fan base who are hockey enthusiasts and really want to see the team to punch their weight is actually a lot smaller than a lot of other teams. I don't agree with that FS. Panthers must have around 3500 hardcore fans,look how many were in Sheffield for the cup final,they wern't casual fans. Even midweek our crowd hardly ever drops below 4500 so i would say that number are what you could term hardcore/regular fans,then there are another two or three thousand casuals. The problem is,Panthers management just don't realise how damn lucky they are to have the fans they've got !!!!
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 13, 2016 14:08:03 GMT
Post of the month right here so far. If you took out the casual fans, the player stalkers and the quiz night enthusiasts together with the fans that are happy for a night out without any expectations then the Panthers fan base who are hockey enthusiasts and really want to see the team to punch their weight is actually a lot smaller than a lot of other teams. I don't agree with that FS. Panthers must have around 3500 hardcore fans,look how many were in Sheffield for the cup final,they wern't casual fans. Even midweek our crowd hardly ever drops below 4500 so i would say that number are what you could term hardcore/regular fans,then there are another two or three thousand casuals. The problem is,Panthers management just don't realise how damn lucky they are to have the fans they've got !!!! Actually I tend to agree. The point you have missed is the Corey should keep his job, quiz night, player stalkers. Still hardcore fans in terms of being there for every game however they are happy with whatever the team do. They are happy with CC cup wins every year. Some of those maybe have less hockey knowledge also and just accept the product infront of them. The % of those fans that were in Sheffield but also prepared to show discontent(in fact feel it) is probably quite low.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 13, 2016 14:20:01 GMT
If I owned the Panthers: -Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary. -North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters. -Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis. - Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this? Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back! Why does everyone think that a North American head coach is the way? When did we really have a successful one in this league that hadn't played in the league for the few years previous? Weber has been pretty rubbish at Coventry ultimately, McKee did nothing for us and got the push. I think you have some good points but can't agree wit the North American coach thing being the holy grail. TBF my point about the coach is that I want an experienced coach who has coached in more professional leagues. I'd probably broaden it and say they could have experience anywhere, but SOME must be North American purely based on the style of play in the EIHL. I really want a coach who can instill professionalism throughout the team a coaching set ups. I also think the whole they don't understand the league vs playoffs and patronising BS excuse. Adjusting to new surrounds and a new hockey culture is a major issue, but not understanding how league tables work? Come on, these are grown men not 4 year olds.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2016 14:27:04 GMT
Post of the month right here so far. If you took out the casual fans, the player stalkers and the quiz night enthusiasts together with the fans that are happy for a night out without any expectations then the Panthers fan base who are hockey enthusiasts and really want to see the team to punch their weight is actually a lot smaller than a lot of other teams. I don't agree with that FS. Panthers must have around 3500 hardcore fans,look how many were in Sheffield for the cup final,they wern't casual fans. Even midweek our crowd hardly ever drops below 4500 so i would say that number are what you could term hardcore/regular fans,then there are another two or three thousand casuals. The problem is,Panthers management just don't realise how damn lucky they are to have the fans they've got !!!! Out of those 3500 hardcore how many clap the team off win or lose? How many of them are happy that with the mighty CC? How many don't even expect us to with the league more than once? It's got to the point of being pantomime, hate the Steelers but know they will win the league 10 times to our every 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 14:36:30 GMT
The worst thing to ever happen was to build the arena in the city centre. !! It's attached the wrong type of fan base. Alot of fans who were there in the first season I never see now.... Wonder why !
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2016 14:42:54 GMT
I don't agree with that FS. Panthers must have around 3500 hardcore fans,look how many were in Sheffield for the cup final,they wern't casual fans. Even midweek our crowd hardly ever drops below 4500 so i would say that number are what you could term hardcore/regular fans,then there are another two or three thousand casuals. The problem is,Panthers management just don't realise how damn lucky they are to have the fans they've got !!!! Out of those 3500 hardcore how many clap the team off win or lose? How many of them are happy that with the mighty CC? How many don't even expect us to with the league more than once? It's got to the point of being pantomime, hate the Steelers but know they will win the league 10 times to our every 1. I agree with you FS. The mentality at Panthers and Steelers is just so obviously different,one team does whatever it takes,the other does just enough and no more. I have said it before and even Simmsey said it yesterday. Panthers are a mirror image of Arsenal,win the FA cup regularly,but as for the league title,it's once in a blue moon. Arsenal stack the money away and never spend big,they have owners who are only interested in money,an arrogant coach who has been there far too long and half their players are injury prone prima donnas who just don't do the business. When you consider that Neil Black is an avid Tottenham Hotspur fan,you would think he would want to be anything but likened to Arsenal !!!!!!
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 13, 2016 15:44:40 GMT
Out of those 3500 hardcore how many clap the team off win or lose? How many of them are happy that with the mighty CC? How many don't even expect us to with the league more than once? It's got to the point of being pantomime, hate the Steelers but know they will win the league 10 times to our every 1. I agree with you FS. The mentality at Panthers and Steelers is just so obviously different,one team does whatever it takes,the other does just enough and no more. I have said it before and even Simmsey said it yesterday. Panthers are a mirror image of Arsenal,win the FA cup regularly,but as for the league title,it's once in a blue moon. Arsenal stack the money away and never spend big,they have owners who are only interested in money,an arrogant coach who has been there far too long and half their players are injury prone prima donnas who just don't do the business. When you consider that Neil Black is an avid Tottenham Hotspur fan,you would think he would want to be anything but likened to Arsenal !!!!!! I've been thinking this for some time. Havn't posted it for fear of the anti football backlash. The similarities between the two clubs really are remarkable. I listen to alot of talksport which is quite Arsenal heavy. Wenger has his loyal fans but they are turning by the day. When you are a club with the potential of both the clubs in question domestic cup Competitions just don't cut it. Not without a REAL league challenge to go with it.
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Mark
Randall Weber
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Post by Mark on Mar 13, 2016 16:08:20 GMT
If it is true that players were in the Nottingham Legend at five o'clock Monday morning, when winning the league was still in the Panthers hands, then surely questions have to be asked. Lack of professionalism, commitment and entirely the wrong attitude of all involved if so. How many times and how many ways can this club continue to let it's fans down? The only thing they always get right is grasping every last penny from those same supporters.
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Randall Weber
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Post by EMB on Mar 13, 2016 17:51:36 GMT
We are never going to get the experienced overseas coach everyone is shouting for because NB won't spend anymore money than he has to, who's going to go out and interview someone with those credentials when the two at the top haven't got a hockey brain between them. We will probably be going for the cheap option and appoint from within, that's if anyone can actually work with GM. Maybe we should give him the job, he meddles enough and he'd only have himself to fall out with.
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Bolts
Pat Casey
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Post by Bolts on Mar 13, 2016 19:37:16 GMT
The worst thing to ever happen was to build the arena in the city centre. !! It's attached the wrong type of fan base. Alot of fans who were there in the first season I never see now.... Wonder why ! So where would you suggest it be built? Or stay in the old ice stadium?
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Post by dp on Mar 13, 2016 19:54:06 GMT
Oh yeah, one thing which hasn't been mentioned....the Desbiens "tripping" on Bohmbach (I think). It looked to me at the time like he'd taken a baseball swing across his throat. Was it as bad as it looked at the time?
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 13, 2016 21:00:57 GMT
Oh yeah, one thing which hasn't been mentioned....the Desbiens "tripping" on Bohmbach (I think). It looked to me at the time like he'd taken a baseball swing across his throat. Was it as bad as it looked at the time? That was a bizarre penalty. I instantly though how could he miss that high stick and was thankful to get the penalty, but then I saw the tripping signal which make me think he just saw Bohmbach on the floor and thought "Must have been tripped" and hadn't seen the actual infraction and guessed at a penalty.
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josey
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Post by josey on Mar 14, 2016 13:58:35 GMT
Gerad Adams doesn't have a job at the minute,why not give him a shot
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Shorty
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Post by Shorty on Mar 14, 2016 17:20:37 GMT
If it is true that players were in the Nottingham Legend at five o'clock Monday morning, when winning the league was still in the Panthers hands, then surely questions have to be asked. Lack of professionalism, commitment and entirely the wrong attitude of all involved if so. How many times and how many ways can this club continue to let it's fans down? The only thing they always get right is grasping every last penny from those same supporters. I think you have to question the owners of the Legend here as well, and the fans that were with them that late. Whilst it is easy to get caught up in a celebration, if I were a sponsor then it would be crossing my mind of the time and the amount of alcohol being drunk, and the game coming up at Coventry. Although they may just be rubbing their hands at the extra profits they were generating at the time. Perhaps a boycott of the Legend should now take place as they have contributed to our league title challenge ending
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 14, 2016 18:03:59 GMT
If it is true that players were in the Nottingham Legend at five o'clock Monday morning, when winning the league was still in the Panthers hands, then surely questions have to be asked. Lack of professionalism, commitment and entirely the wrong attitude of all involved if so. How many times and how many ways can this club continue to let it's fans down? The only thing they always get right is grasping every last penny from those same supporters. I think you have to question the owners of the Legend here as well, and the fans that were with them that late. Whilst it is easy to get caught up in a celebration, if I were a sponsor then it would be crossing my mind of the time and the amount of alcohol being drunk, and the game coming up at Coventry. Although they may just be rubbing their hands at the extra profits they were generating at the time. Perhaps a boycott of the Legend should now take place as they have contributed to our league title challenge ending As I understand it they were not in the Legend until said time. They moved to a club/bar in town. Just started at the Legend.
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Shorty
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Post by Shorty on Mar 14, 2016 18:40:37 GMT
Fair enough. No boycot then!
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Post by nikolivic on Mar 14, 2016 19:02:02 GMT
If it is true that players were in the Nottingham Legend at five o'clock Monday morning, when winning the league was still in the Panthers hands, then surely questions have to be asked. Lack of professionalism, commitment and entirely the wrong attitude of all involved if so. How many times and how many ways can this club continue to let it's fans down? The only thing they always get right is grasping every last penny from those same supporters. I think you have to question the owners of the Legend here as well, and the fans that were with them that late. Whilst it is easy to get caught up in a celebration, if I were a sponsor then it would be crossing my mind of the time and the amount of alcohol being drunk, and the game coming up at Coventry. Although they may just be rubbing their hands at the extra profits they were generating at the time. Perhaps a boycott of the Legend should now take place as they have contributed to our league title challenge ending That sounds like an opinion of the owners of bunkers hill, haha. But there's no way they have any fault. Of course they would want to keep the place busy and everyone drinking because the panthers players were in. It's the sponsors doing the club a favour financially, not the other way around.
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Post by Nemesis on Mar 14, 2016 22:18:35 GMT
Gerad Adams doesn't have a job at the minute,why not give him a shot G does have a job, and a very good one. Very much doubt there is a club that would be willing to match his wage, conditions and prospects to bring him back to hockey full time. :-)
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Bolts
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Post by Bolts on Mar 14, 2016 22:23:12 GMT
Gerad Adams doesn't have a job at the minute,why not give him a shot G does have a job, and a very good one. Very much doubt there is a club that would be willing to match his wage, conditions and prospects to bring him back to hockey full time. :-) What's he doing?
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Post by iginla on Mar 14, 2016 22:37:50 GMT
G does have a job, and a very good one. Very much doubt there is a club that would be willing to match his wage, conditions and prospects to bring him back to hockey full time. :-) What's he doing? He works for the Royal Mail. Apparently wanted career continuity,so he went from one shower of crap straight to another !!!!!
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