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Post by Yotes on Mar 12, 2016 22:37:34 GMT
With the GMB being the sponsor for the game I'm guessing that they have signed a new deal to continue being the Main Team Sponsor.. Maybe 2+2=5 but just a guess This is what it was, another 5 years to take it to 20 in total. I've never been entirely sure what the GMB get out of sponsoring us but it's not my money. I was rather hoping we'd done a deal with Warrior or something like Braehead managed, tbh.
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 12, 2016 22:45:50 GMT
Last one out please turn off the lights.
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Post by Higgy on Mar 12, 2016 22:47:06 GMT
I think there was some disagreement between a few Steelers fans,ended with a few chucked out whatever happened!
Dire for the most part,complete lack of intensity aside from Cam....what a fight may I add,two seriously tough cookies!
The presentation was embarrassing as the players clearly didn't want to be there,would have been ok if we'd won though I'm sure.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 12, 2016 22:53:30 GMT
I think there were loads of Steelers fans just 'advising' the staff not to let people walk up there stairs while the puck was in play... Apparently they don't take kindly to that!
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Post by Mark on Mar 12, 2016 22:58:31 GMT
Absolute rubbish. Clarke, Bombach and Schultz were shocking but were eclipsed by Steve Lee who gets worse. Lines looked a mess again with nobody seeming to know what his line mates were doing. Briefly threatened but stepped off the gas again, the whole thing being summed up by the shambles as we pulled Wiikman and immediately coughed up the puck for a simple tap in.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 12, 2016 23:05:12 GMT
Oh the pain of a Panthers fan Yes many would kill for our trophy haul but it really is painful to go through the same thing time and time again. A great group of players. Sheffield written off early season. So much promise amd then......Same old same old. I am actually always a believer. I still thought we could do it before tonight. Why oh why am I still so nieve after all these years. No matter what happens before, that game that puts the final nail in the coffin is so painful. Especially against Sheffield. So many times we have a more tallented set of players than anybody else but something just doesn't happen. Fair play to Sheffield. They know how to do it when it matters. Wonder how they feel about 10-0 now? I'm not a Moran hater, nor a great fan but he is the only consistant through all these failures. He has to be the man to go. If nothing else to see if it makes a difference. Everybody knows my thoughts on Corey. And he does too after tonight. Lord I hope next year can be different. Lets go Devils
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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2016 23:13:30 GMT
That was poor again,in fact it wasn't that good. Our finishing is just woeful apart from Kolnik,the rest of them couldn't even finish their breakfast ! Makes me wonder watching that dire powerplay......just what on earth do we do in training every week ? As for Neilson,just go man,time is more than up !!!!
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 12, 2016 23:25:33 GMT
They was a poetic irony as I watched Corey go up to get his medal, a muted chant ringing out his named in a practically deserted arena, on the night that probably put the final nail in his tenure as coach.
In other news has any seen this team?
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Post by wgray on Mar 12, 2016 23:32:46 GMT
Where to start! With the import limit rising next season the panthers should get rid of Lee and keep Oakford as the only Brit dman, playing 5 import D. Lee is a complete liability and again tonight it showed, he turns the puck over time and time again, a turnover tonight led to their fort goal, his distribution is poor and I can't remember the last time I saw him win a physical battle along the boards, tough calls have to be made and if we are to improve this is one that needs to be made.
I have questioned all season if David Clarke is the person who should be the captain of the team and tonight summed up why I don't think he should be. In a game where we were being outfought in every physical battle, never looking even remotely interested in battling against a team who were hungry, our biggest rivals, on home ice, the captain should be leading the way showing the opposition that we are not going to roll over setting an example to the rest of the team, the type of thing you see Adam Keefe do for the Giants and what we saw Jonathan Phillips doing tonight, but we get the polar opposite and if he isn't leading the team physically then he needs to be hitting the net, something that we expect from him but when was the last time he got a goal?
Finally, Neilson. He has been a major part of this club over the last ten years, our must successful coach ever but I'm afraid even if he wins the playoffs he needs to bow out and we need to find someone else to bring a different mentality to the club with fresh ideas, structured around winning league championships. Tonight we were outcoached by the them, their game plan was simple, get the puck on net, we saw it time and time again they were getting early shots off waiting for the rebound but we didn't adapt to this, then going forward it was even worse, we have the same tactics for every line, dump and chase, IF there was someone there to gather the puck the steelers were keeping us along the boards not letting us pick it up and pick someone in the slot IF there was a player there, surely you should structure your tactics to suit different lines so why doesn't he do this or is it to difficult? As for the powerplay I don't know what he is telling them to do, absolutely atrocious, even on the 5 on 3 we were never going to score!
Oh sorry, I missed something, Gary Moran out, he his holding the club back so much
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Post by yeti on Mar 12, 2016 23:33:18 GMT
Whilst I haven't agreed with Corey's constant line changing I can see why he has done it the last couple of games as there is no production from Bombach, Schultz and co at the moment. I also don't understand whilst some people are happy with all our players and would have them all back next year. I would only keep Kolnik' Mosey and Cam out and maybe Lawrence to carry on playing with Cam and Farms as the checking line.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 13, 2016 0:33:44 GMT
Whilst I haven't agreed with Corey's constant line changing I can see why he has done it the last couple of games as there is no production from Bombach, Schultz and co at the moment. I also don't understand whilst some people are happy with all our players and would have them all back next year. I would only keep Kolnik' Mosey and Cam out and maybe Lawrence to carry on playing with Cam and Farms as the checking line. Fair point about the line changes, yeti, although tonight we did have one line producing (Moran, Kolnik & Mosey) and he still felt the need to sub in Lacho on occasion. Agree about returnees too, although at the same time none of the imports are really standout bad for me. Maybe they're just all of a certain level, and that level in the end isn't good enough? Saying that though, would the same personnel with a different coach do better? Are they a 5th place collection of players?
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Post by panthers_nyr on Mar 13, 2016 0:47:32 GMT
Whilst I haven't agreed with Corey's constant line changing I can see why he has done it the last couple of games as there is no production from Bombach, Schultz and co at the moment. I also don't understand whilst some people are happy with all our players and would have them all back next year. I would only keep Kolnik' Mosey and Cam out and maybe Lawrence to carry on playing with Cam and Farms as the checking line. Fair point about the line changes, yeti , although tonight we did have one line producing (Moran, Kolnik & Mosey) and he still felt the need to sub in Lacho on occasion. Agree about returnees too, although at the same time none of the imports are really standout bad for me. Maybe they're just all of a certain level, and that level in the end isn't good enough? Saying that though, would the same personnel with a different coach do better? Are they a 5th place collection of players? Agree Yotes, no one stands out as 'bad' and I'd struggle to tell you who I wouldn't have back. I think CN is a limitation to the potential of the players imo, we have a team that on paper (and occasionally on ice) look like they should be in a great position for the league but with no proper chemistry etc. it just doesn't work. I feel that if we had the same group with a different coach with fresh ideas/game plans etc. we would be in a lot better position.
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2016 0:52:09 GMT
Whilst I haven't agreed with Corey's constant line changing I can see why he has done it the last couple of games as there is no production from Bombach, Schultz and co at the moment. I also don't understand whilst some people are happy with all our players and would have them all back next year. I would only keep Kolnik' Mosey and Cam out and maybe Lawrence to carry on playing with Cam and Farms as the checking line. Fair point about the line changes, yeti, although tonight we did have one line producing (Moran, Kolnik & Mosey) and he still felt the need to sub in Lacho on occasion. Agree about returnees too, although at the same time none of the imports are really standout bad for me. Maybe they're just all of a certain level, and that level in the end isn't good enough? Saying that though, would the same personnel with a different coach do better? Are they a 5th place collection of players? No Yotes,they aren't a 5th place collection of players,but they are being coached badly because of Neilsons tinkering. This team is good enough to have won the title,but Neilson has messed it up with ridiculous decisions,trying to prove his way will work,but it hasn't. His own players are frustrated that he won't change what he should,the powerplay and yet he constantly changes what he should leave alone,the forward lines. Other management decisions have been poor too,going an import short,not replacing long term injuries,not travelling early,late night drinking etc etc have all played a part and cost us the odd couple of points here and there. However,in a league as close as this years.....those odd couple of points here and there add up and have very probably cost us a league title !
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Post by spik on Mar 13, 2016 1:49:42 GMT
When Corey said he'd got it wrong. Why then continue to foul up? This is what I read every time I come on here. If I'd apologised about mucking things up I'd not want to let the players stop up boozing till 5am if that's what happened. Now I hear we hit the end of a PP then take the netty off afterwards. It's a good job you guys are taking the pain for me. To have to pay to watch then not learn from previous long award ceremonies on ice and bore it out even further, well glad to say I'm missing something.
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Post by PantherG on Mar 13, 2016 8:19:49 GMT
When Corey said he'd got it wrong. Why then continue to foul up? This is what I read every time I come on here. If I'd apologised about mucking things up I'd not want to let the players stop up boozing till 5am if that's what happened. Now I hear we hit the end of a PP then take the netty off afterwards. It's a good job you guys are taking the pain for me. To have to pay to watch then not learn from previous long award ceremonies on ice and bore it out even further, well glad to say I'm missing something. Are you serious, were they really out until 5 am drinking??? Any coach worth his salt would not allow it the with a massive game on the Wednesday. I know Shff would be tucked up in bed, such is their hunger. I'm hoping this is just silly rumours....
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Post by BlogFromBlock15! on Mar 13, 2016 8:28:38 GMT
One of the saddest things for me other than the complete lack of desire, effort and passion is that I wonder how our season may have turned out had Mosey played forward all season.
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Post by Ian on Mar 13, 2016 9:38:31 GMT
Poor performance last night. The difference between which team wanted to win (and may well end up league champions) and which team were coasting was embarrassingly obvious. This year's team has talent and had promise, but no way would I bring back a majority of players even under a new coach - there are just too many deficiencies, such as a powerful physical defenceman, a player who can really unlock a tight game and a real sniper. Added to which, we are carrying passengers, most notably Bohmbach and (since his injury) Schultz. Neilson's coaching continues to be a frustrating mixture of one-dimensional and completely baffling; I don't know quite how he does that. Time to go in a new direction on the coaching front, long overdue in fact. Panthers are always geared up for a cup run, never to do the dirty work week in and week out. Big changes please, and soon.
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Post by pantherjack on Mar 13, 2016 9:54:03 GMT
Are you serious, were they really out until 5 am drinking??? Any coach worth his salt would not allow it the with a massive game on the Wednesday. I know Shff would be tucked up in bed, such is their hunger. I'm hoping this is just silly rumours.... It still surprises me that some people think ice hockey in this country is a sport first and foremost. It's not, it's entertainment. Sure there's athletes involved and some will be more committed than others, but to think that they all apply the same principles as they would in the pinnacle of any sport is misguided. I've heard the same rumours and even seen two out in town myself a couple of years ago, drunk 3 days prior to a game. When it comes to the world stage and using a comparison analogy to the English football league structure we're probably in the 10th division or worse. Do people really think that footballers in the 10th division of English football, although half decent athletes, don't go out drinking and other activities that don't fit the sport. If so they why do you think the Elite league would be any different. Maybe people buy into the spin that is portrayed by the top hockey leagues in this country, spin that exists purely to promote the sport for the business interests of those that stand to benefit financially. Their motives may be sound in that if more money is made then more money can be paid to players then which in turn will attract better imports and potentially fund better grass roots opportunities in order to produce comparable home grown players. Sadly those days are far away, potentially non-existent, as to my knowledge the top clubs in our league don't have any academies to produce players. In our case, yes there are schemes based at the NIC but nothing to do with the Panthers. So therefore there either isn't the profits to fund such development, or if there is the owners choose not to. The outcome is that, for me at least, the 'sport' is purely entertainment and a great night out. If those that play aren't 'living' to be a sports person/athlete then they can't expect me to treat them as such. Yes I admire that they're do something I can't and they're putting the work in to achieve that, but I can't hold them in the same regard as NHL players or equivalent sports people. Not because they don't have the skill level but because they don't commit in the same way, for them in our league I imagine it's seen as a job to earn a living or further education more than a calling.
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 13, 2016 11:00:52 GMT
Back to the absolute drawing boards for me. Bring in a coach and gm from Canada or Europe with experience of the game inside out, give them 3 year contracts and one goal to win every game. Neil black needs to run the Nottingham Panthers at 0 profit put all the money back into the Nottingham Panthers until we are winning every game. If he doesn't want to do that he can get out as well. Give the fans value for money and stop taking the p.
The players are taking the p also, no matter how bad the tactics there is no excuse for such extremes of performance, we need to stop being seen as a retirement home for players. Perform or get out. Have a big party after the play offs, it can last all summer if you like. The fact that we sell out most Saturday nights is a golden goose, build on it and stop abusing it.
Another 5 years with the gmb? I hope it is an amazing deal and not a lazy one.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 13, 2016 11:25:33 GMT
If I owned the Panthers:
-Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary.
-North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters.
-Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis.
- Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this?
Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back!
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 13, 2016 12:27:07 GMT
If I owned the Panthers: -Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary. -North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters. -Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis. - Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this? Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back! Can't argue with that. The cultural difference between us & North Americans is that they will always value the Playoffs ahead of the league... That trickles down from the NHL. I think the league being the main focus is an alien concept to them & needs to be taught/learnt. Also, I think your first point has covered your last point.
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Post by gump on Mar 13, 2016 12:42:08 GMT
Comment as to NB being out shows your limited perspective, are you buying the team. Non brit players will never focus on league championship as presently determined. Only teams with the big budgets can ever compete for it. Proper playoff is what is needed to grow the game.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2016 12:42:24 GMT
If I owned the Panthers: -Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary. -North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters. -Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis. - Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this? Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back! Can't argue with that. The cultural difference between us & North Americans is that they will always value the Playoffs ahead of the league... That trickles down from the NHL. I think the league being the main focus is an alien concept to them & needs to be taught/learnt. Also, I think your first point has covered your last point. The playoffs would be valued against the league if you didn't have to sit and watch all winter for the league and then just a weekend for the playoffs
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2016 12:53:10 GMT
If I owned the Panthers: -Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary. -North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters. -Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis. - Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this? Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back! Can't argue with that. The cultural difference between us & North Americans is that they will always value the Playoffs ahead of the league... That trickles down from the NHL. I think the league being the main focus is an alien concept to them & needs to be taught/learnt. Also, I think your first point has covered your last point. The cultural difference cb23 is not between us and North Americans......it is between Panthers and the Steelers/Devils/Giants and previously Blaze,because they don't seem to have any problems challenging for league titles almost year on year. The fact Panthers have challenged twice at best in the last fifteen years is an atrocious record,even worse when you take into account the size of Panthers compared to other teams. The whole culture within Nottingham Panthers is flawed and until that changes we will witness the same crap every season !
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Post by Mozzy on Mar 13, 2016 12:53:17 GMT
If I owned the Panthers: -Bring in Russell from the Storm as GM. He's created genuine connections with the team and fanbase. If he can build that buzz with a 1000 fans every week, give him resources and 6000 fans. At the very least a positive move away from Gary. -North American head coach (bench) with experience on a 3 year deal. Goal = 1 league win within that time and providing they don't fail spectacularly give then the 3 years. Cups are nice, playoffs are too, but the league is what matters. -Webcast, Social media interaction, non belittling attitudes from management in news storis. - Improve atmosphere. It's a library and while casual fans don't always add to it, there are thousand of little things the club could do or a couple of big things. The one we really miss is a dedicated singing block. Name amother sport with decent crowds that doesn't have this? Can't think of the rest right now but I'll be back! Why does everyone think that a North American head coach is the way? When did we really have a successful one in this league that hadn't played in the league for the few years previous? Weber has been pretty rubbish at Coventry ultimately, McKee did nothing for us and got the push. I think you have some good points but can't agree wit the North American coach thing being the holy grail.
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