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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 17:01:37 GMT
But it is the done thing. Every other team in the league including the other one owned by the same guy as owns the Panthers do it. They provide player, coach and management interviews for independent podcasts from their own teams and the teams they have been playing. I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2016 17:27:17 GMT
I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms? The closer that tin pot little twerp get to retirement the better for everything Panthers concerned
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Post by Ian on Jan 19, 2016 17:44:44 GMT
But it is the done thing. Every other team in the league including the other one owned by the same guy as owns the Panthers do it. They provide player, coach and management interviews for independent podcasts from their own teams and the teams they have been playing. I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Letting players do interviews with podcasts is no hassle, it would have zero negative impact on any of the club's other media activities and it would make the club look accommodating and fan-friendly in a media channel that many fans tune in to. Instead they choose to make themselves look small-minded, petty and a bit foolish. Great PR.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2016 17:57:15 GMT
Some of these things should be emailed to Mr Black to make sure he's aware of these things.
Don't bother asking GM because he will just sweep things under the carpet. Let's make it hard for him and put some heat on him for once.
If enough people do it Mr Black will start asking questions eventually,but he's no dummy,he knows more than you might think already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 9:54:06 GMT
For me the more content out there the better (especially if the show was free to the club, no idea on that one though), I'm just saying I can understand why they'd come off there given the facility to produce their own show. I can understand it, I just think it was done for an entirely different reason to cost or difficulty. I think most people would agree with the first half of your sentence I've quoted; have GMTV on YouTube, also send a player/coach down to Notts TV every week and film TLR so we can make use of a local TV station that is broadcast into every home in the area on Freeview, and when a fan podcast asks for an interview with a player every now and then, facilitate it and promote the fact he's on there on your own communication channels. That, to me, would be the obvious and sensible thing to do. To maximize your potential audience, get on as many channels as possible. I doubt there'd be any noticeable cost at all to doing all 3, and the players almost certainly have it written into their contracts that they'll have to perform certain media activities for club promotion. So why wouldn't you do that? Only thing I can see is that only one of those outputs allows a certain person complete and absolute control of the message. TCW actually discuss things, pros AND cons. TLR, while being very much pro-Panthers, got a bit like that when it began to go off the rails last year, they even praised other teams and predicted other teams to win the league etc before we were mathematically dead in the water. This is no good. So now we basically get a 30 minute fluff piece advert on YouTube, nothing on the local telly station, and all our fans who do listen to TCW wondering why we're hearing from Thommo, or Emmo, instead of Corey-o. All of which, in the end, probably only serves to make people more questioning of the club and its motives, not less, since there's no rapport. It's them and us (or him and us to be accurate). But is there anything wrong with 1 person having absolute control of the message? If that is the case then the message is consistent, whilst I agree it's an outdated way of doing things it still ensures we have consistency in what is put out there. And if that is all you know, and all you've ever done I doubt things will change. And with the off ice going so well (attendance on the up etc.) why would they change anything? It's a lazy approach yes, but if it works it works. Maybe this just doesn't bother me as much because I don't watch CIO, TLR or listen to TCW. If I were in charge I would do all the things you stated (and many more things), but things aren't going to change so long as attendance steadily rises and profit keeps coming in (so on some level GM is doing something right). Personally I've never felt a them and us mentality from the club, but that may be because the political side of it all really does not bother me one iota.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 9:57:05 GMT
I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms? I can imagine it's very frustrating/annoying/maddening (delete as appropriate), but I just don't see the need to flog a dead horse on the subject. They won't do it (for whatever reason) and evidently you don't need the players on there because you still get people tuning in to listen to yourselves every week. Like I said it'd be nice, but it's not a necessity (for either party).
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Post by panthersdave on Jan 20, 2016 10:02:23 GMT
I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms? Jono, a while ago you had that interview with Gary. I personally really enjoyed that and I had assumed that some sort of useful relationship had been built. What has changed since then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:03:51 GMT
Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms? Jono, a while ago you had that interview with Gary. I personally really enjoyed that and I had assumed that some sort of useful relationship had been built. What has changed since then? The honest answer is I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:05:20 GMT
I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means. Letting players do interviews with podcasts is no hassle, it would have zero negative impact on any of the club's other media activities and it would make the club look accommodating and fan-friendly in a media channel that many fans tune in to. Instead they choose to make themselves look small-minded, petty and a bit foolish. Great PR. You say 'many fans' but I'd wager it's still a small minority who listen to any form of EIHL podcast (I'm happy to be proven wrong with facts and figures on that though), so they only really look small minded and unapproachable to a vocal minority. Like I said it would be nice, and if I made the decisions I would encourage it (among many other things). But it's not the end of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:07:41 GMT
Easy to say when you're not on the receiving end. Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be ignored by your own club when every other team welcomes us with open arms? I can imagine it's very frustrating/annoying/maddening (delete as appropriate), but I just don't see the need to flog a dead horse on the subject. They won't do it (for whatever reason) and evidently you don't need the players on there because you still get people tuning in to listen to yourselves every week. Like I said it'd be nice, but it's not a necessity (for either party). But how many potential listeners are we missing out on by not having guests from Panthers org? Surely a Panthers fan podcast would benefit from having Panthers guest Star? Players have personally come up to us and said they would love to come on but as we don't have permission from the club to interview them we can't. It's a ridiculous situation to be honest.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 20, 2016 10:14:42 GMT
But it's not the end of the world. I don't think anyone is suggesting it is. Panthers could trot Gary out in goal tonight and it wouldn't be the end of the world. Like so many things that are annoying about the Panthers, it's largely trivial, which is a big part of what makes it annoying. It'd be so easy to do it and for it not to be an issue, but they don't (sorry, he doesn't) bother.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 20, 2016 10:18:54 GMT
I can imagine it's very frustrating/annoying/maddening (delete as appropriate), but I just don't see the need to flog a dead horse on the subject. They won't do it (for whatever reason) and evidently you don't need the players on there because you still get people tuning in to listen to yourselves every week. Like I said it'd be nice, but it's not a necessity (for either party). But how many potential listeners are we missing out on by not having guests from Panthers org? Surely a Panthers fan podcast would benefit from having Panthers guest Star? Players have personally come up to us and said they would love to come on but as we don't have permission from the club to interview them we can't. It's a ridiculous situation to be honest. I think the Panthers have moved from the downright stupid into a very dangerous area now. Even if you run a back street sandwich shop you want every possible second of promo you can get. It looks now like it's a response to fear that outright control could be lost almost like the curtain being pulled back on the Wizard of Oz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:23:12 GMT
I can imagine it's very frustrating/annoying/maddening (delete as appropriate), but I just don't see the need to flog a dead horse on the subject. They won't do it (for whatever reason) and evidently you don't need the players on there because you still get people tuning in to listen to yourselves every week. Like I said it'd be nice, but it's not a necessity (for either party). But how many potential listeners are we missing out on by not having guests from Panthers org? Surely a Panthers fan podcast would benefit from having Panthers guest Star? Players have personally come up to us and said they would love to come on but as we don't have permission from the club to interview them we can't. It's a ridiculous situation to be honest. It is ridiculous you're right, and quite outdated due to the day and age we live in. But if it's the way the club operates it's the way they operate, it's not likely to change until either: A) Attendances decline B) GM retires Either of those things will lead to change. But until then (sadly) there isn't a lot that can be done, and quite frankly complaining about it only stands to make things worse doesn't it? You may feel it's now you're only course of action but I doubt it's going to help. As I've said before it's not the way I would operate things but things are as they are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 10:35:52 GMT
But it's not the end of the world. Panthers could trot Gary out in goal tonight and it wouldn't be the end of the world. Is this a statement or a suggestion on how to get more people to turn up for a Wednesday night non season ticket Challenge Cup game?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 20, 2016 12:09:36 GMT
If I heard it was happening I'd probably have to go.
Then buy the DVD.
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Post by iginla on Jan 20, 2016 13:59:39 GMT
NYR.
If you went into a restaurant,ordered steak and chips and when it came it was cold and tough as old boots......would you complain or just sit there,do nothing and eat it ?
All people are trying to do here is get things to change by voicing there opinions,but you give the impression that you would basically put up with any old dross !
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Post by ted logan on Jan 20, 2016 14:37:30 GMT
Panthers could trot Gary out in goal tonight and it wouldn't be the end of the world. Is this a statement or a suggestion on how to get more people to turn up for a Wednesday night non season ticket Challenge Cup game? If he was doing it without any protective equipment, i'd be there. The world famous arena would sell out in no time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 15:42:32 GMT
NYR. If you went into a restaurant,ordered steak and chips and when it came it was cold and tough as old boots......would you complain or just sit there,do nothing and eat it ? All people are trying to do here is get things to change by voicing there opinions,but you give the impression that you would basically put up with any old dross ! All I'm doing is offering a contrarian viewpoint to counteract the seemingly endless recent stream of negativity. Do I believe things should change? Yes. But like Yotes mentioned earlier the majority of things that really need changing are trivial, so at the end of the day are not a big deal to me (I don't often visit the website, view the YouTube channel, listen to Podcasts/watch TV shows about the Panthers or the EIHL because I don't have time to). I guess it all depends what you turn up to watch the team for. As long as I'm entertained by the on ice product (via us taking part in competitive games) I'm happy, I would love us to win every game (winning is great) but if we don't I can live with that. We normally get there just before face-off, between periods I'm rarely in my seat and after the final hooter we stay mainly to avoid queing on the aisleway (and to hear @jordannooooooo complain about the MotM) so the off-ice product on a game night really has no bearing on me. Believe me I know things could be better but I don't see the constant need to flog a dead horse because whilst GM is in charge and attendances are on the up things will not change so I see no point in complaining, it's just a waste of time. The organisation is set in it's ways, those ways may not be the best but they work for what NB want's to achieve with his business and at the end of the day that's all we are whether we like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 15:45:33 GMT
NYRpanther, come on get some passion about the game!!!!!! If you met him you'd understand, he's a morose bugger at times.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 21, 2016 18:09:48 GMT
I can imagine it's very frustrating/annoying/maddening (delete as appropriate), but I just don't see the need to flog a dead horse on the subject. They won't do it (for whatever reason) and evidently you don't need the players on there because you still get people tuning in to listen to yourselves every week. Like I said it'd be nice, but it's not a necessity (for either party). But how many potential listeners are we missing out on by not having guests from Panthers org? Surely a Panthers fan podcast would benefit from having Panthers guest Star? Players have personally come up to us and said they would love to come on but as we don't have permission from the club to interview them we can't. It's a ridiculous situation to be honest. You've had young Freddie Black on the show before, so he at least knows of and is interested in the podcast. Thought of asking him to get an answer from the top?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 18:25:55 GMT
Apologies, language is my tool.
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Post by iginla on Jan 21, 2016 18:29:04 GMT
Young Freddie's far too busy at the moment i'm afraid Discoray,he's trying to show Manchester how to make lots and lots of money !
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Post by Discoray on Jan 21, 2016 18:37:10 GMT
Young Freddie's far too busy at the moment i'm afraid Discoray,he's trying to show Manchester how to make lots and lots of money ! Yes I heard about that sometime ago.
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Post by Gawdonbennett on Jan 21, 2016 20:50:24 GMT
"My feelings exactly. I went to watch Peterborough recently and the passion was higher! Panthers need to thank their lucky stars they don't have a rival competing for their fan base".[/quote]
Interesting idea. Peterborough is same distance as to Panthers for me.....might try a game with the kids see how it compares. Same with football I've always preferred to watch lower leagues rather than premier.....it's more raw and passionate.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 23, 2016 18:04:11 GMT
Would anyone take Adams as a coach next year if Corey goes?
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