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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 18, 2016 21:48:50 GMT
1) Don't lose anymore games
2) Don't lose anymore games
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 18, 2016 22:03:04 GMT
Regarding a challenge for the league it's too late to save.
As for the season.
Sign a full roster and play set lines where possible.
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Post by Stargazer on Jan 19, 2016 8:23:40 GMT
I would probably go one further and give Moran and Ling the dressing room until the end of the season. Maybe a little drastic (and most likely will never happen) but I very much see it as a no loose situation now. ............ and a GOOD import defender is a must!! I imagine Moran to be more inclined on the coaching side of things than Ling (just seems more the type, could be totally wrong mind you)... But can you imagine the fun we'd have with Ling in charge even if it was just for 2 weeks?! You are probably right about Ling, you do get that impression.. I would just like to see a change in the coaching, Corey has been here for several years now and he's simply just not up to it. The 'slam' season aside - he's recruited poorly, he's unable to get any kind of consistency to mount a league challenge, he's consistency sold the D short of an import player season after season, it's blatantly obvious he can't motivate and he just doesn't learn/evolve his coaching. After all this time it still feels like we have a rookie coaching us..
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Post by kezypanther on Jan 19, 2016 8:35:46 GMT
Sorry but I disagree about Nielson. I think those above him are selling him short. This group of players we have a are quality but there have been injures all over the place and we haven't been replacing them. Then we are running short when other teams are continually getting players in.
IMO if Nielson was at Steelers he would have won the league several times in the same amount of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 8:48:19 GMT
I imagine Moran to be more inclined on the coaching side of things than Ling (just seems more the type, could be totally wrong mind you)... But can you imagine the fun we'd have with Ling in charge even if it was just for 2 weeks?! You are probably right about Ling, you do get that impression.. I would just like to see a change in the coaching, Corey has been here for several years now and he's simply just not up to it. The 'slam' season aside - he's recruited poorly, he's unable to get any kind of consistency to mount a league challenge, he's consistency sold the D short of an import player season after season, it's blatantly obvious he can't motivate and he just doesn't learn/evolve his coaching. After all this time it still feels like we have a rookie coaching us.. I'm not as down on CN as most but I do think his time is coming to an end, I think he deserves to see the year out simply because of his track record in the CC and the playoffs (greater potential of ending the season on a high than having a new guy in). I think he's guilty of not being able to motivate over the long haul but when it comes to cup competitions he more often than not is capable of it so I'm not overly sure of what he's lacking in that department when it comes to a league campaign. But for whatever reason that's how it is. From what I can see he's tried to evolve his coaching, the constant mish-mash of lines I believe was him trying to be dynamic & ahead of the curve not allowing other coaches to be able to prepare for set lines. But yet again this hasn't worked, can't fault him for trying something new but when it was evident it was becoming a detriment to the campaign he should have reverted to set lines quicker than he did (egotistical/stuborn maybe to stick with it when it wasn't working but you need some degree of ego/stubborness to be a coach of any team). Can't argue with the case in point about leaving the defence short, it's odd because during the grandslam year we always had 4 import defencemen (Werner, Beckett, Tuma, Neilson at first which then became Werner, Beckett, Lepine & Fox) so to revert away from that afterwards was just odd and illogical.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2016 9:08:34 GMT
Sorry but I disagree about Nielson. I think those above him are selling him short. This group of players we have a are quality but there have been injures all over the place and we haven't been replacing them. Then we are running short when other teams are continually getting players in. IMO if Nielson was at Steelers he would have won the league several times in the same amount of time. The Steelers (and the Devils too now) are hard-wired to win from the very top to the very bottom of the organization and that's something that will NEVER be the case with the Panthers and I think this together with the constant old fashioned BS is quite possibly why I am finding myself losing interest and slowly becoming a "Saturday night out fan". The rest of the league that REALLY want to win will go on to win. The Panthers will become more and more just a wanabe personality driven reality show for a very limited audience of a certain age and the funny thing is I really don't care.
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Post by nate24 on Jan 19, 2016 9:28:04 GMT
Sorry but I disagree about Nielson. I think those above him are selling him short. This group of players we have a are quality but there have been injures all over the place and we haven't been replacing them. Then we are running short when other teams are continually getting players in. IMO if Nielson was at Steelers he would have won the league several times in the same amount of time. The Steelers (and the Devils too now) are hard-wired to win from the very top to the very bottom of the organization and that's something that will NEVER be the case with the Panthers and I think this together with the constant old fashioned BS is quite possibly why I am finding myself losing interest and slowly becoming a "Saturday night out fan". The rest of the league that REALLY want to win will go on to win. The Panthers will become more and more just a wanabe personality driven reality show for a very limited audience of a certain age and the funny thing is I really don't care. My feelings exactly. I went to watch Peterborough recently and the passion was higher! Panthers need to thank their lucky stars they don't have a rival competing for their fan base.
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Post by Dan on Jan 19, 2016 10:08:13 GMT
1. Get gospel back and coach him up to be a starting net minder to free up an import slot 2. reduce ice time for lacho, lee and swindlehurst and sign someone like Jason Beckett 1 might be impossible and certainly would be in time for this season. Gospel is already 22, he ought to be getting close to this level by now.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2016 11:27:56 GMT
1. Sack Neilson 2. Hire Adey (or anyone actually) 3. Plan victory parades I don't think you would see Adey there as long as GM is GM Good point Phil. 1. Sack Neilson AND Moran
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 11:37:47 GMT
I don't think you would see Adey there as long as GM is GM Good point Phil. 1. Sack Neilson AND Moran Wasn't Adey a regular on that 'Locker Room' show on Notts TV last season though? There can't be that much animosity between the 2 of them.
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Post by BigLad on Jan 19, 2016 11:42:07 GMT
Good point Phil. 1. Sack Neilson AND Moran Wasn't Adey a regular on that 'Locker Room' show on Notts TV last season though? There can't be that much animosity between the 2 of them. What happened to that programme? Oh yeah, GM didn't like it as it wasn't produced by him, so it was replaced with CIOwtGMBftPO.
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Post by Stargazer on Jan 19, 2016 12:23:16 GMT
Sorry but I disagree about Nielson. I think those above him are selling him short. This group of players we have a are quality but there have been injures all over the place and we haven't been replacing them. Then we are running short when other teams are continually getting players in. IMO if Nielson was at Steelers he would have won the league several times in the same amount of time. No need to be sorry Kezy you're entitled an opinion.. I agree, the club has major issues that stem further upstairs than Neilson's office. But GM seems (for what ever reason) completely immoveable and untouchable so I'm not even going to bother venturing down that particular avenue.. As for your point about Neilson being at Steelers, I'm not so sure. I guess its all a little hypothetical but I just don't think he's consistently good enough..
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Post by Stargazer on Jan 19, 2016 12:28:12 GMT
Sorry but I disagree about Nielson. I think those above him are selling him short. This group of players we have a are quality but there have been injures all over the place and we haven't been replacing them. Then we are running short when other teams are continually getting players in. IMO if Nielson was at Steelers he would have won the league several times in the same amount of time. The Steelers (and the Devils too now) are hard-wired to win from the very top to the very bottom of the organization and that's something that will NEVER be the case with the Panthers and I think this together with the constant old fashioned BS is quite possibly why I am finding myself losing interest and slowly becoming a "Saturday night out fan". The rest of the league that REALLY want to win will go on to win. The Panthers will become more and more just a wanabe personality driven reality show for a very limited audience of a certain age and the funny thing is I really don't care. An accurate sad reality of the situation the club is in..
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Post by EMB on Jan 19, 2016 12:42:29 GMT
Good point Phil. 1. Sack Neilson AND Moran Wasn't Adey a regular on that 'Locker Room' show on Notts TV last season though? There can't be that much animosity between the 2 of them. Do you mean that Locker Room show that GM had shelved because it was competition to his Panthers TV? He did that by stopping all the players from attending. The same way he has ignored repeated requests from the Cats Whiskers podcast & stopped the players interviews on there. I very much doubt Paul Adey would ever work for GM again the way he treated him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 13:03:37 GMT
Wasn't Adey a regular on that 'Locker Room' show on Notts TV last season though? There can't be that much animosity between the 2 of them. Do you mean that Locker Room show that GM had shelved because it was competition to his Panthers TV? He did that by stopping all the players from attending. The same way he has ignored repeated requests from the Cats Whiskers podcast & stopped the players interviews on there. I very much doubt Paul Adey would ever work for GM again the way he treated him. I never watched the 'Locker Room' so wasn't aware that he pulled the players from it. I guess it could have been seen as not worth the hassle (even if there was little hassle involved) if there weren't many people tuning in and watching the program. Same with Cats Whiskers I imagine, hassle (yet again even it's very little) vs reward from setting it up. In a way it's smart to control access to players in that way if you think about it, drives more traffic to the club website, more hits on the club YouTube account leading to more potential shares on social media from those 2 outlets leading to new traffic to those 2 platforms rather than a mixture of club/fan content. I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Jan 19, 2016 13:11:02 GMT
Do you mean that Locker Room show that GM had shelved because it was competition to his Panthers TV? He did that by stopping all the players from attending. The same way he has ignored repeated requests from the Cats Whiskers podcast & stopped the players interviews on there. I very much doubt Paul Adey would ever work for GM again the way he treated him. I never watched the 'Locker Room' so wasn't aware that he pulled the players from it. I guess it could have been seen as not worth the hassle (even if there was little hassle involved) if there weren't many people tuning in and watching the program. Same with Cats Whiskers I imagine, hassle (yet again even it's very little) vs reward from setting it up. I know CW do ask for club personnel to interview every Monday, if I remember correctly they got 1 the first time they did it which was Strachs. Fairly confident that was the last time they got anyone on the show.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 19, 2016 13:27:25 GMT
Good point Phil. 1. Sack Neilson AND Moran Wasn't Adey a regular on that 'Locker Room' show on Notts TV last season though? There can't be that much animosity between the 2 of them. Lets just say it is different sitting on a settee giving the odd comment to working with someone day in and day out.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2016 14:21:25 GMT
In a way it's smart to control access to players in that way if you think about it, drives more traffic to the club website, more hits on the club YouTube account leading to more potential shares on social media from those 2 outlets leading to new traffic to those 2 platforms rather than a mixture of club/fan content. I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing. In the case of The Locker Room, how can cutting a show off at the knees that was broadcast on a local free-to-air television channel, within the club's market area, possibly be seen as a good bit of thinking?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 14:30:53 GMT
In a way it's smart to control access to players in that way if you think about it, drives more traffic to the club website, more hits on the club YouTube account leading to more potential shares on social media from those 2 outlets leading to new traffic to those 2 platforms rather than a mixture of club/fan content. I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing. In the case of The Locker Room, how can cutting a show off at the knees that was broadcast on a local free-to-air television channel, within the club's market area, possibly be seen as a good bit of thinking? Depends. Did being on there have any notable spike in attendance? How many people watched the show who weren't fans already? How many people watch NOTTS TV? You could easily argue that 'The Locker Room' was more important for NOTTS TV (as it brought new eyes to a channel that maybe people hadn't heard of) than it was for the Panthers to be on NOTTS TV. If you can produce your own similar style show that will soley direct traffic to your website and social media outlets why wouldn't you do that instead? You're probably reaching the exact same people who where tuning into 'The Locker Room' so in that sense it's no harm no foul in my book.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2016 14:36:22 GMT
Someone in Nottingham, not a Panthers fan, might watch Notts TV and on comes The Locker Room, so they stick with it, see a few highlights, pique some interest perhaps. That same person isn't going to go looking for CIO on the OS.
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Post by Ian on Jan 19, 2016 14:59:45 GMT
I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing. But it is the done thing. Every other team in the league including the other one owned by the same guy as owns the Panthers do it. They provide player, coach and management interviews for independent podcasts from their own teams and the teams they have been playing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 16:11:04 GMT
I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing. But it is the done thing. Every other team in the league including the other one owned by the same guy as owns the Panthers do it. They provide player, coach and management interviews for independent podcasts from their own teams and the teams they have been playing. I meant as in it's not the done thing with regards to our club. Sure it would be nice if we did it... But it's not a necessity or anything to get worked up about by any means.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 16:24:18 GMT
Someone in Nottingham, not a Panthers fan, might watch Notts TV and on comes The Locker Room, so they stick with it, see a few highlights, pique some interest perhaps. That same person isn't going to go looking for CIO on the OS. Someone in Nottingham who's not a Panthers fan could equally go onto YouTube, be looking for Nottingham based content and come across 'Checking it Out' stick with it and see a few highlights peaking their interest. You could argue that YouTube has a greater potential reach so would be more effective in reaching a newbie than NOTTS TV would. For me the more content out there the better (especially if the show was free to the club, no idea on that one though), I'm just saying I can understand why they'd come off there given the facility to produce their own show.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2016 16:24:47 GMT
Do you mean that Locker Room show that GM had shelved because it was competition to his Panthers TV? He did that by stopping all the players from attending. The same way he has ignored repeated requests from the Cats Whiskers podcast & stopped the players interviews on there. I very much doubt Paul Adey would ever work for GM again the way he treated him. I never watched the 'Locker Room' so wasn't aware that he pulled the players from it. I guess it could have been seen as not worth the hassle (even if there was little hassle involved) if there weren't many people tuning in and watching the program. Same with Cats Whiskers I imagine, hassle (yet again even it's very little) vs reward from setting it up. In a way it's smart to control access to players in that way if you think about it, drives more traffic to the club website, more hits on the club YouTube account leading to more potential shares on social media from those 2 outlets leading to new traffic to those 2 platforms rather than a mixture of club/fan content. I personally don't think it would hurt to let these people have access to players for podcasts and the like, but I can see why it's not the done thing. Depends if you are trying to promote the team as in sport or one tiny little man with his daft little personality driven Youtube weekly video.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2016 16:52:07 GMT
For me the more content out there the better (especially if the show was free to the club, no idea on that one though), I'm just saying I can understand why they'd come off there given the facility to produce their own show. I can understand it, I just think it was done for an entirely different reason to cost or difficulty. I think most people would agree with the first half of your sentence I've quoted; have GMTV on YouTube, also send a player/coach down to Notts TV every week and film TLR so we can make use of a local TV station that is broadcast into every home in the area on Freeview, and when a fan podcast asks for an interview with a player every now and then, facilitate it and promote the fact he's on there on your own communication channels. That, to me, would be the obvious and sensible thing to do. To maximize your potential audience, get on as many channels as possible. I doubt there'd be any noticeable cost at all to doing all 3, and the players almost certainly have it written into their contracts that they'll have to perform certain media activities for club promotion. So why wouldn't you do that? Only thing I can see is that only one of those outputs allows a certain person complete and absolute control of the message. TCW actually discuss things, pros AND cons. TLR, while being very much pro-Panthers, got a bit like that when it began to go off the rails last year, they even praised other teams and predicted other teams to win the league etc before we were mathematically dead in the water. This is no good. So now we basically get a 30 minute fluff piece advert on YouTube, nothing on the local telly station, and all our fans who do listen to TCW wondering why we're hearing from Thommo, or Emmo, instead of Corey-o. All of which, in the end, probably only serves to make people more questioning of the club and its motives, not less, since there's no rapport. It's them and us (or him and us to be accurate).
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