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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:35:41 GMT
Following on from a discussion in another thread over the amount of trophies Corey has won while coaching the Panthers I thought it would be interesting to gauge the general feeling over which trophy is the most important to win.
In my opinion it is the league title, always. This is the true measure of the best team in the country.
The play offs are nice to win but they are just a bonus, in fact the play offs are the easiest trophy to win, espcecially when the finals are on your home ice.....
The cup is also just a bonus in my opinion, nothing more. Edit - Agree that the Challenge Cup is harder to win than the play off's. Still, just a bonus.
Poll added.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 12, 2016 12:38:43 GMT
Play offs great of course but number one is the league. CC is just an excuse for another cup.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 12, 2016 12:41:26 GMT
Totally agree with your post Jord.
Would just add that one of the reasons the play-offs are so great to win is that we do it in a cauldron of hatred, where for an entire weekend, the entire arena hates us and wants us to lose! That makes winning that particular trophy all the more enjoyable. Take the emotion and the big occasion out though and it's nowhere near the league title for me.
Challenge Cup comes 3rd.
There's probably a hierarchy of trophies in any sport where numerous trophies are 'winnable' (is that a word?). In football in this country, I'd imagine the top Premier League teams would view it as 1. League, 2. FA Cup, 3. League Cup, in that order.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 12, 2016 12:44:09 GMT
I never understand why people sneer at the challenge cup... its harder to win than the playoffs. Not that our cup system is amazing by any stretch of the imagination. But the playoffs are so rubbish other than the novelty of getting everyone in the same arena which is nice. The format sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 12:56:50 GMT
Just to point out that another reason for the poll is that someone who posts here who I attend games with stated that the play off's were more important..... He does want to live in the USA though & actually be American I think so that's a decent enough excuse for the madness.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 12, 2016 12:59:52 GMT
I never understand why people sneer at the challenge cup... its harder to win than the playoffs. Not that our cup system is amazing by any stretch of the imagination. But the playoffs are so rubbish other than the novelty of getting everyone in the same arena which is nice. The format sucks. The CC is really let down by the first round for me, it's almost entirely pointless and makes up the majority of the competition. Although I do like the idea of a one-off final these days. For me it's the league in first place, by a mile, then the POs because I like the weekend and there's a challenge in playing important games back to back like that, then just behind it the CC. I'll happily win any of them mind you, but there's only one true test.
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Post by panthers_nyr on Jan 12, 2016 12:59:53 GMT
League definitely most important by far. The cup and playoffs are like, as you said, bonuses but still trophies. However much I want us to win the league I'll still be happy if we win one or at least both the cup and playoffs.
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Post by Warren on Jan 12, 2016 13:09:48 GMT
I think as others have said, Importance is one question, as in "If you could win 1 trophy every year, what would it be?" I think most if not all would want the league. If the question is "what would you be happy taking home?" then I think winning a trophy is important.
Interesting you didn't put conference up there @jordannooooooo To me that is the Premier trophy in this league...
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 12, 2016 13:20:22 GMT
I never understand why people sneer at the challenge cup... its harder to win than the playoffs. Not that our cup system is amazing by any stretch of the imagination. But the playoffs are so rubbish other than the novelty of getting everyone in the same arena which is nice. The format sucks. The CC is really let down by the first round for me, it's almost entirely pointless and makes up the majority of the competition. Although I do like the idea of a one-off final these days. For me it's the league in first place, by a mile, then the POs because I like the weekend and there's a challenge in playing important games back to back like that, then just behind it the CC. I'll happily win any of them mind you, but there's only one true test. Agreed about the first round. they should have only the top 2 go through. and no doubling up of games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 13:31:54 GMT
Just to point out that another reason for the poll is that someone who posts here who I attend games with stated that the play off's were more important..... He does want to live in the USA though & actually be American I think so that's a decent enough excuse for the madness. OK I'll bite... I have never said the playoff's are more important to win, however, I have said that given the choice I would rather win the playoffs than the league. This is simply down to the fact that I never overly followed football or any sport where the league is the be all and end all. I've always watched American Sports where the emphasis is on winning the playoffs; nobody remembers who wins the Presidents Trophy, who finished the NFL season with the best overall record, who finished top of the NBA standings or who led the MLB in wins. I can accept that our playoffs system is awful and is the easiest of the 4 available trophies to win, I'd just rather us win that than anything else because it's ingrained in me that that is what is important. That is not to say it is the most important though, especially now with the added bonus of qualifying for the CHL as the winner of the league.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 12, 2016 13:33:43 GMT
The CC is really let down by the first round for me, it's almost entirely pointless and makes up the majority of the competition. Although I do like the idea of a one-off final these days. Agreed about the first round. they should have only the top 2 go through. and no doubling up of games. Agree with both of you re the Cup. They could also make the actual semi-final draw much more professional. It was farcical this season. An M&S bag with too many balls in it!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 13:46:43 GMT
Never really crossed my mind, Warren. While it's obvious Braehead have a fixture advantage we have to attempt to beat all the teams put in front of us. Our form against the Scottish teams was abysmal last season. I can't edit the poll apparently. Silly forum. Does anyone else find the way you quote people in here a complete fudging nightmare to use?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 13:48:49 GMT
Just to point out that another reason for the poll is that someone who posts here who I attend games with stated that the play off's were more important..... He does want to live in the USA though & actually be American I think so that's a decent enough excuse for the madness. OK I'll bite... Bravo.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 12, 2016 14:13:16 GMT
In it's current form the league is the most important trophy to win in the EIHL. Purely because the playoff format is so poor.
Hockey around the world is largely geared towards the playoffs being the main goal. I'm fairly sure most players and coaches(certainly imports) prioritise the playoffs. Thats what most of them grow up with and to suddenly tell them thats not the most important thing is hard for them to understand. The reality is any player or coach would rather have playoff champion on their CV than league/ conference winner. When was the last time we signed a player and the main selling point was league winner? Most of the time its Calder Cup, Stanley cup winner etc. I'm a fan of the hockey format of playoffs being the ultimate goal. For that to happen here it would need a big revamp. Quarter finals best of 3. Semi and final best of 5. I know people say league rewards consistancy but to me its just not hockey.
Change challenge cup to a finals weekend to keep the fans jolly weekend & move it earlier and shorten regular season. No need for a significant amount more ice time.
As I say. In current format. The league is the most important simply because playoffs are so weak.
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Post by PantherG on Jan 12, 2016 14:23:06 GMT
Why miss off the Aladdin Cup???
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Post by Dan on Jan 12, 2016 14:38:40 GMT
Obviously the league.
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Post by tonyflow on Jan 12, 2016 16:53:41 GMT
Can only be the League. Next the Challenge Cup and then Play-offs. Simply based on the number of games you have to play to win them and the fact that you can be placed 8th in a 10 team league and still win a play-off campaign.
Play-off weekend is fun but in all honesty cannot be taken seriously IMHO.
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Post by iginla on Jan 12, 2016 16:54:25 GMT
The league is number one.
Then the play offs for the intensity of the games.
Challenge cup third because of the first round farce. I noticed reading about tonight's 1st leg quarter final game against Sheffield,that Fife's record was won 3 lost 5 and they still made it through.......that's just pants !
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jan 12, 2016 17:56:31 GMT
As has been mentioned by Warren you have missed the Conference Trophy - but more glaring is the omission of the greatest trophy of all - THE ALLADIN CUP - and also the WOODEN SPOON which we are trying desperately to win this season
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 12, 2016 18:11:20 GMT
well these results are pretty conclusive. They should show this poll to every Panthers import in the future just so they know where they stand in this league.
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Post by panthers4ever on Jan 12, 2016 18:28:11 GMT
League everyday for me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 19:54:35 GMT
well these results are pretty conclusive. They should show this poll to every Panthers import in the future just so they know where they stand in this league. This. Also show it to Corey & Rick, like now.
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Post by titch on Jan 13, 2016 10:39:55 GMT
Challenge cup should be knockout only and then it would have credibility, the conference league is pointless. Playoffs look like fun but even the team who came 8th can technically win the playoffs... The real winner is the league title.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 13, 2016 15:18:45 GMT
Challenge cup should be knockout only and then it would have credibility, the conference league is pointless. Playoffs look like fun but even the team who came 8th can technically win the playoffs... The real winner is the league title. The CC is all about money changing hands from fans to the teams. It has never been anything else and never will be.
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Post by Ian on Jan 14, 2016 8:08:39 GMT
I think the League is the most important. Leaving aside the exhilaration of the moment whenever you win a trophy, Panthers winning the league title in 2013 was the high point of my 36 seasons even though I was not in Belfast the night we sealed it. It shows who was the country's best team over a full season. I also loved the importance of every league fixture when we were chasing the title, the excitement of hearing rivals' results, discussing the permutations...and that massive sense of achievement at the end. I would be interested to hear how fans of other teams who have won the league many times feel, it may not be such a big thing for them as it is (and certainly as it was pre-2013) for us?
Playoffs second place due to the intensity of the matches and the atmosphere of the finals weekend. Also that it is the last silverware of the season, giving you the chance to be smug or regretful throughout the summer.
Challenge Cup third, mainly due to the current format. Doubling up with league games, a largely pointless extended group phase and no fitting final cheapen the cup for me (two-leg midweek tie is not the way to decide a major trophy in my opinion). Autumn cup (Norwich Union / B&H) was better, as it gave real intensity to the early season and the one-off final pre-Christmas was always a great occasion.
Conference nowhere. The conference system is a convenient way of keeping a 10-team league without the smaller teams going bust and ensuring the arena teams get plenty of big paydays too. Personally I find the concept awarding or celebrating a Conference "title" embarrassing.
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