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Post by craighead on Jan 10, 2016 20:48:58 GMT
Such a shocking turn about in our fortunes is bound to divide opinions and create backbiting amongst fans who disagree on the way forward but inherently want the same outcome. This is not crunch time as the title is gone but it is a crisis if we want to compete for any remaining silverware. what is the realistic way forward? Despite our anger there will be no change at the top. For me ( and I expect many to disagree but being a fan is about having opinions about the team you support) I would make changes in the following areas: 1. Lawrence or McMillan to be replaced by a solid Eric Charron type dman taking us to 4 import d when all fit 2. Jannsen to be replaced by a sniper; at the business end of the season points outweigh muscle 3. As we've skimped all year a 5th import dman as cover or to play 5 import d in certain games going into the run in.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 10, 2016 20:55:56 GMT
Such a shocking turn about in our fortunes is bound to divide opinions and create backbiting amongst fans who disagree on the way forward but inherently want the same outcome. This is not crunch time as the title is gone but it is a crisis if we want to compete for any remaining silverware. what is the realistic way forward? Despite our anger there will be no change at the top. For me ( and I expect many to disagree but being a fan is about having opinions about the team you support) I would make changes in the following areas: 1. Lawrence or McMillan to be replaced by a solid Eric Charron type dman taking us to 4 import d when all fit 2. Jannsen to be replaced by a sniper; at the business end of the season points outweigh muscle 3. As we've skimped all year a 5th import dman as cover or to play 5 import d in certain games going into the run in. Janssen isn't going anywhere and neither should he. Expected to be here for a few seasons as well. We have goal scorers, plenty of them. McMillan is one of the best forecheckers in the league, he should be kept. Lawrence since coming back especially against Steelers and Coventry weekenders looked like one of a minute portion that even gave two ticks about the game. Nobody needs to be replaced. We need injury cover. When we're fully fit we are force. The start of the league campaign showed us that.
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Post by nate24 on Jan 10, 2016 20:56:56 GMT
A coach that can run a power play. One unit worked and was promptly split. I have no faith in CN just now.
10 minutes of hockey does not solve 50 minutes of problems.
Whoever is responsible for not covering injuries should be shown the door. That is why we are losing contact with the top.
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Post by patch9495 on Jan 10, 2016 20:57:59 GMT
Owners aren't going to change anything until crowds start to fall therefore profits fall. Black/GM needs to see that reinvesting in a business generates even further profit that can be used to further invest resulting in more profit and the cycle continues until we are selling out every single game. Short term the players have shown a complete lack of apathy so I would put them all on their 2 weeks notice so they at least put in a decent performance to try save their own skin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 21:00:45 GMT
The problem is with the coaching and the amount of brits we carry. Oakford and Lacho are bang average and using up valuable wage space. I'd like us to reduce the amount of brits we have. The line match ups are scary because if this.
Our imports are all of good quality.
A big d man is essential though as last night in Cardiff proved
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 10, 2016 21:02:56 GMT
Such a shocking turn about in our fortunes is bound to divide opinions and create backbiting amongst fans who disagree on the way forward but inherently want the same outcome. This is not crunch time as the title is gone but it is a crisis if we want to compete for any remaining silverware. what is the realistic way forward? Despite our anger there will be no change at the top. For me ( and I expect many to disagree but being a fan is about having opinions about the team you support) I would make changes in the following areas: 1. Lawrence or McMillan to be replaced by a solid Eric Charron type dman taking us to 4 import d when all fit 2. Jannsen to be replaced by a sniper; at the business end of the season points outweigh muscle 3. As we've skimped all year a 5th import dman as cover or to play 5 import d in certain games going into the run in. Jannsen is just fine when he is allowed to play plus he puts bums on seats = £££ We are a FAR worse teazm without McMillan
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 10, 2016 21:04:01 GMT
The problem is with the coaching and the amount of brits we carry. Oakford and Lacho are bang average and using up valuable wage space. I'd like us to reduce the amount of brits we have. The line match ups are scary because if this. Our imports are all of good quality. A big d man is essential though as last night in Cardiff proved Farmer gets distracted too easily as well amd goes missing for several games at a time
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 10, 2016 21:05:13 GMT
The problems started with Peckham. When he didn't come and the Brits were already signed I think we were stuffed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 21:07:39 GMT
1. Our Brit pack plain suck. 2. The coach has lost the plot, constant line rotation is ridiculous. 3. We lack quality stay at home d men. Injuries are really showing this now.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jan 10, 2016 21:09:42 GMT
Just like there are varied opinions on what has gone wrong there are also opinions on who I think is our best player - Janssen - if you watch him when he is on the ice he seems to be everywhere - to say he should be gassed is amazing - what should happen is he should be allowed to play his natural game as an enforcer and to protect his teammates
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Post by dp on Jan 10, 2016 21:14:44 GMT
I've always stuck up for Corey, but I think it might be time to accept that he's not what we need.
I don't think Black can be blamed for this. Yes, he'll be making a profit out of Panthers, but look at the experience (and presumably cost) of our squad compared to Cardiff's - and Sheffield's really - and you can see that we're not scrimping. Yes the lack of injury cover is annoying, as is playing an import down, but I think Corey's been given a budget (a big one) and has just used it all up. That's not Black's fault, and it explains the lack of PR from the club about lack of bodies etc causing losses.
Having said that, it's not all Corey - I heard the first 5 or 6 signings were all made by GM.
One thing that has struck me as well though - Coventry release Lawrence and their form picks up (albeit not spectacularly), Sheffield release him and their form picks up, we sign him and our form dips. As it did last season. Can't really argue with his points, but is there more to it?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 10, 2016 21:17:12 GMT
I can see where craighead is coming from, not that I don't like Cam but he must be on a lot of money, so it'd free up wage for a good quality replacement - if you think we need one. Does what we get from Cam justify a high wage? Will Neilson let him play the role he played tonight, every night? He seems to get games like this, then next minute there's no sign of him. I'd not change the players, I think they're fine and much better than a 5th place team. For me I'd can Neilson and put Rick in charge to the end of the year, or see if Adey'll come in.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 10, 2016 21:20:41 GMT
I've always stuck up for Corey, but I think it might be time to accept that he's not what we need. I don't think Black can be blamed for this. Yes, he'll be making a profit out of Panthers, but look at the experience (and presumably cost) of our squad compared to Cardiff's - and Sheffield's really - and you can see that we're not scrimping. Yes the lack of injury cover is annoying, as is playing an import down, but I think Corey's been given a budget (a big one) and has just used it all up. That's not Black's fault, and it explains the lack of PR from the club about lack of bodies etc causing losses. Having said that, it's not all Corey - I heard the first 5 or 6 signings were all made by GM. One thing that has struck me as well though - Coventry release Lawrence and their form picks up (albeit not spectacularly), Sheffield release him and their form picks up, we sign him and our form dips. As it did last season. Can't really argue with his points, but is there more to it? Black employs Neilson. Who else could you possibly blame?
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Post by dexter on Jan 10, 2016 21:31:01 GMT
Such a shocking turn about in our fortunes is bound to divide opinions and create backbiting amongst fans who disagree on the way forward but inherently want the same outcome. This is not crunch time as the title is gone but it is a crisis if we want to compete for any remaining silverware. what is the realistic way forward? Despite our anger there will be no change at the top. For me ( and I expect many to disagree but being a fan is about having opinions about the team you support) I would make changes in the following areas: 1. Lawrence or McMillan to be replaced by a solid Eric Charron type dman taking us to 4 import d when all fit 2. Jannsen to be replaced by a sniper; at the business end of the season points outweigh muscle 3. As we've skimped all year a 5th import dman as cover or to play 5 import d in certain games going into the run in. Can't agree with 1 or 2. I think Lawrence is one of the few who seems to give his all each game.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 10, 2016 21:42:45 GMT
Exactly what Yotes said. As much as playing short on D is frustrating, watching the talented forwards unable to score many goals is the bigger problem. Line changing & tactics, Both down to the coach. Every team does exactly the same thing. Colapse around the goalie and make it tough to gets quality shots. Back to No plan B Corey.
Poor Powerplay. Coaching
Playing Lacho instead of at least giving Ollie half of his shifts. Coaching.
Have a guy who can ruffle a few feathers and potentialy change momentum in a game. Leave him on the bench or make him do shifts no contact. Occasionally let him go out every 5 or 10 home games to satisfy the home fans. Coreys tactics. Cant help but think Cam is here for the fans in Coreys eyes and he doesn't see the value in him(He's very wrong if he doesn't).
Changing coach isn't allways sensible but considering recent form I don't think any coach, experienced, new or player stepping up could do any worse. So surely its worth the risk to see if it can get better.
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Post by dexter on Jan 10, 2016 21:47:25 GMT
1. Our Brit pack plain suck. 2. The coach has lost the plot, constant line rotation is ridiculous. 3. We lack quality stay at home d men. Injuries are really showing this now. This.
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Post by dexter on Jan 10, 2016 21:47:52 GMT
Exactly what Yotes said. As much as playing short on D is frustrating, watching the talented forwards unable to score many goals is the bigger problem. Line changing & tactics, Both down to the coach. Every team does exactly the same thing. Colapse around the goalie and make it tough to gets quality shots. Back to No plan B Corey. Poor Powerplay. Coaching Playing Lacho instead of at least giving Ollie half of his shifts. Coaching. Have a guy who can ruffle a few feathers and potentialy change momentum in a game. Leave him on the bench or make him do shifts no contact. Occasionally let him go out every 5 or 10 home games to satisfy the home fans. Coreys tactics. Cant help but think Cam is here for the fans in Coreys eyes and he doesn't see the value in him(He's very wrong if he does). Changing coach isn't allways sensible but considering recent form I don't think any coach, experienced, new or player stepping up could do any worse. So surely its worth the risk to see if it can get better. And this.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 10, 2016 21:49:15 GMT
10 minutes of hockey does not solve 50 minutes of problems. Thats been our whole season in reality. At the start of the season we just had higher gears to go into. Then we seemed to lose them. This team hasnt dominated for 60 mins in more than a couple of games this season. We are so on and off over the course of games. But recently the off have been heavily out weighting the on.
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Post by iginla on Jan 10, 2016 21:58:44 GMT
Apart from needing another import Dman,or Dimmen back quickly,there is nothing much wrong with the players,apart from lazy Lacho and not enough output from the other Brits.
The guy who needs to go without question is Neilson. Far too stubborn and arrogant and has been living in cushy cushy land for a couple of years now.
Look at last years team,what a collection of total misfit signings lacking in quality they were. Quite how that lot ended up on a Panthers roster I have absolutely no idea and they got what they deserved......nothing. Yet this season,with a far superior team,we are just not cutting it,so that says to me that the problem lies with the coaching.
Get rid of him Mr Black !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 22:05:31 GMT
Like.ive said for a while . I wonder how many players will get retained and which if any will end up on other eihl teams
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Post by wgray on Jan 10, 2016 22:21:58 GMT
1. Utilise Janssen more effectively
2. SIGN A D MAN
3. Neilson needs to change tactics, stopping messing with the puck behind our own net, stop the D from dumping the puck when nobody is there to forecheck and collect the puck, keep consist lines, be aggressive like we were at the start of the season, otherwise find another coach
The calibre of this squad is quality, look at the beginning of the season for evidence, Neilson I feel has ruined it
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Post by Mark on Jan 10, 2016 22:26:53 GMT
Moran is the common denominator in all this failure. Arrogant, ignorant, egotistical and interfering. He needs to be gone pronto. Neilson did get it right, seven trophies in three seasons is testimony to that but since the league title it's been shambolic. Both Neilson and Strachan cannot hide from that simple fact.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 10, 2016 22:45:45 GMT
Hmmm where to start. Since i dont know about who signed players, what players are paid, who is responsible for not getting injury cover etc im gonna try and stay away from that stuff and focus on the ice.
When this team was signed i said we had the best team on paper, and i still feel that way. Even with the injuries we've had, with our depth we should still be competetive.
Our brit pack plan has totally failed. We are clearly not getting value for money out of these players. The only brits worth it atm are Clarke and Myers. Swindlehurst isnt bad but im sure he was better before we got him. Farmer and Lacho are shadows of themselves i really dont know whats happened with these guys but if i was them id be worried about my future at the end of this season. And then theres Lee who has been a defensive liabilty all season. Credit where is due hes been decent going forward but you're a d man first Steve and on that front hes not had a good season
Stangely theres not one import i'd get rid of which makes our current situation all the more baffeling. The only thing i would change is the signing of Ling. I wanted a sniper instead but hes not the reason we're struggling.
And now to Corey... I've been a big fan of Corey, always supported him and i think hes been heavily underrated by a lot of our own and opposition fans over the years. But this season has been bizzare from and coaching point of view. I dont know if hes just decided to take a new coaching direction or if hes been told to do it from above. But why?! Oh why!? dont we HAVE SET LINES!!! Just please for the love of all that is holy just try it. The worst bit is that we've always had partnerships under Corey. Galbraith - Cook, Galbraith - Mcaslan, Richardson- Bergin - Clarke, ling- Bennedict - Graham, Ryan- Lacho - Bellamey. This season i couldnt tell you whos paired or lined with who. Not a clue! What the hell is this!?
For me it looks like we have a huge confidence problem on the ice, theres no doubt we have the players. The league is gone at this point, it would take the most amazing turn around to do it now. Just try and get thought Braehead in the cup. And then work on getting a run of form going with SET LINES!!! For the playoffs. What a shame this season has turned out to be.
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Post by iginla on Jan 10, 2016 22:53:01 GMT
Ah yes play offs. That isn't going to be easy,because my bet is 4th/5th place and Belfast in the quarter final......And with the home leg first !
Deep joy NOT !!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2016 4:47:40 GMT
Ah yes play offs. That isn't going to be easy,because my bet is 4th/5th place and Belfast in the quarter final......And with the home leg first ! Deep joy NOT !!!!! Belfast will play their home leg on the Friday I'd imagine
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