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Post by panthersnation on Dec 21, 2015 3:20:12 GMT
Was talking to our car full on the way home from Manchester & we all said we don't think the club are being very fair to sam, after getting regular ice at the start of the year over the last few weeks he's had a handful of shifts. Why don't we look to loan him out again to the epl so he can develop further, he sure won't get better sat on the bench not playing. I think since he signed for us he's improved a lot but to get that next level he needs to play hockey.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 21, 2015 5:01:02 GMT
Was talking to our car full on the way home from Manchester & we all said we don't think the club are being very fair to sam, after getting regular ice at the start of the year over the last few weeks he's had a handful of shifts. Why don't we look to loan him out again to the epl so he can develop further, he sure won't get better sat on the bench not playing. I think since he signed for us he's improved a lot but to get that next level he needs to play hockey. Thoughts? It's not going to work (sending him down a league) unlike forwards it takes several years to establish your game as a dman, training with ex NHL/AHL players will do him more good than going to a league full of washed up EIHL guys. He got a fair bit of ice time last night and was effective from what I've heard. I think putting him with Waugh will help him progress and at this point in time he has a chance to shine and that brings the best out of hungry players fighting for a roster spot. I'd take a chance on him
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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 21, 2015 9:39:02 GMT
Last season he wasn't great, start of this season he looked abit slow but has grown into the season well and changed my opinion of him, dropping him down won't work for him he needs the day to day coaching and training as has already been mentioned, also the off ice gym and strength and conditioning work will better prepare him also. Be interesting to see what happens next season though when we are allowed another import/dual national. Just a side note I caught a game in Peterborough and Tom Norton is having a great year, would like to see him back in a panthers jersey, full of confidence, has some grit to his game now and joins the rush more.
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Post by allingtonskates on Dec 21, 2015 12:12:59 GMT
He is 25 so he doesn't have much room to grow as a prospect. He is already older than Farmer, Swindlehurst, Steve Lee and Betteridge so I would be more focused on using them and helping them grow than make Oakford happy.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 21, 2015 12:48:26 GMT
Was talking to our car full on the way home from Manchester & we all said we don't think the club are being very fair to sam, after getting regular ice at the start of the year over the last few weeks he's had a handful of shifts. Why don't we look to loan him out again to the epl so he can develop further, he sure won't get better sat on the bench not playing. I think since he signed for us he's improved a lot but to get that next level he needs to play hockey. Thoughts? He is playing and learning a LOT more than he ever would in the EPL. CN is excellent with the Brits but his first job is to develop the team and win.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Dec 21, 2015 15:27:44 GMT
One way to increase his ice time would be to reduces Lee's.
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 21, 2015 15:54:11 GMT
One way to increase his ice time would be to reduces Lee's. I would not be unhappy to see this i think Lee is having a really poor season at the moment.
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Post by Dan on Dec 22, 2015 13:13:23 GMT
He's not a prospect at 25. He really ought to be showing signs of the player he is going to be now. If he's not then we ought to really look elsewhere.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 22, 2015 14:45:38 GMT
Admire CN for trying to unearth these hidden gems but the last couple (Marcus Maynard and now Oakford) haven't really progressed. Might as well get Tom Norton back in.
As for Lee - I agree that he had been a disappointment this season. Having said that, maybe CN is trying to get him to play a type of game that just doesn't suit him. Is he really the type to QB a powerplay? Or should he be left as a solid defensive type which is how he shone in his first few seasons.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 22, 2015 14:49:28 GMT
Admire CN for trying to unearth these hidden gems but the last couple (Marcus Maynard and now Oakford) haven't really progressed. Might as well get Tom Norton back in. As for Lee - I agree that he had been a disappointment this season. Having said that, maybe CN is trying to get him to play a type of game that just doesn't suit him. Is he really the type to QB a powerplay? Or should he be left as a solid defensive type which is how he shone in his first few seasons. As I understand it Tom left as he had a job at Blue Bell Wood school., where presumably he is still employed .
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 22, 2015 16:17:44 GMT
He's not a prospect at 25. He really ought to be showing signs of the player he is going to be now. If he's not then we ought to really look elsewhere. He's at the age now where he will start to find his feet it takes Dmen a lot longer to develop into solid players typically they hit their peak around 25-28 years old at this level. Imo he's been a lot better and looks more composed than Lee. I'd give him the nod if there's still nobody in Europe
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Post by Dan on Dec 22, 2015 16:19:53 GMT
He's not a prospect at 25. He really ought to be showing signs of the player he is going to be now. If he's not then we ought to really look elsewhere. He's at the age now where he will start to find his feet it takes Dmen a lot longer to develop into solid players typically they hit their peak around 25-28 years old at this level. Imo he's been a lot better and looks more composed than Lee. I'd give him the nod if there's still nobody in Europe Yeh, a d-man peaks from 25-31 so he ought to be nearing his peak.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 22, 2015 16:24:46 GMT
He's at the age now where he will start to find his feet it takes Dmen a lot longer to develop into solid players typically they hit their peak around 25-28 years old at this level. Imo he's been a lot better and looks more composed than Lee. I'd give him the nod if there's still nobody in Europe Yeh, a d-man peaks from 25-31 so he ought to be nearing his peak. It's a hard decision on Sam at the end of the day for this season he's seemed good enough to manage but at the same time if he's caught out he lacks the experience to really handle bigger minutes. With Europe being so dry atm and Mosey being a key forward i wonder if we can afford to say no at this moment
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Post by goon37 on Dec 22, 2015 16:55:51 GMT
Admire CN for trying to unearth these hidden gems but the last couple (Marcus Maynard and now Oakford) haven't really progressed. Might as well get Tom Norton back in. As for Lee - I agree that he had been a disappointment this season. Having said that, maybe CN is trying to get him to play a type of game that just doesn't suit him. Is he really the type to QB a powerplay? Or should he be left as a solid defensive type which is how he shone in his first few seasons. Aas I understand it Tom left as he had a job at Blue Bell Wood school., where presumably he is still employed . I believe he still is there - and also at EPL topping Peterborough where he is doing a fantastic job, and has done for the last couple of seasons. Easily EIHL quality - in my bias opinion best British D-man in the league on current form (league includes Weaves and Meyers)
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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 22, 2015 18:00:27 GMT
Aas I understand it Tom left as he had a job at Blue Bell Wood school., where presumably he is still employed . I believe he still is there - and also at EPL topping Peterborough where he is doing a fantastic job, and has done for the last couple of seasons. Easily EIHL quality - in my bias opinion best British D-man in the league on current form (league includes Weaves and Meyers) He does work at the school but it's flexible around his hockey. He's been offered jobs in the eihl by a few Scottish teams I believe but that would mean he would have to give up his school job and he isn't willing to do that. He would have played for us but when Corey told him he was going to be 7th D he joined Peterborough to get the ice time he wants and needs to continue to develop. He's clearly good enough for the EIHL and would be good to see him back.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 25, 2015 9:21:20 GMT
Danny Meyers joined us at 23, it took him a couple of years to get used to the better standard of play, but no doubt he improved as a player during his time with us. Oakford still has time to improve as players peak at different times according to their experience, and what standard they have played at, but he needs to work on his positional sense, which is what lets Norton down. So many times you'd see Tom standing still in his own zone.
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