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Post by Yotes on Nov 9, 2015 14:31:48 GMT
Schultz was at least on the move and did change direction just before the hit, although I agree Tanaka left his leg in when he didn't need to. I think if you were the ex-Mulleted One you could argue Ling had more time to decide not to do what he did, and still did it.
Dunno why that wasn't a match pen, but referees all calling games differently week to week/ref to ref, isn't particularly surprising though.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 9, 2015 14:39:33 GMT
Just watched the highlights you could have got a beach ball through Murphy's 5-hole on Betteridge's goal. Always good for a couple. Highlights: |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 9, 2015 15:34:54 GMT
The Ling one was pretty inexcusable to be honest and if it was done by Lloyd on Ling we would have been calling for the death penelty at least. Ling is clever enough to make a point without doing anything stupid like that. On the flip side, the vision and space he made for himself for his goal was sheer class.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Nov 9, 2015 16:39:24 GMT
So ref's dish out a match penalty consistence with the rulebook.
It then goes to DOPS to decide whether to top up ... is there a published guide that we can make reference to?
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Post by fishman on Nov 9, 2015 16:53:40 GMT
If DOPs are consistent (and thats what fan want) Ling should not get a ban i.e Tanaka, I was at the game in block 2, looked to me like Ling just goes in hard and comes out with a Match penalty!
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Post by tim27 on Nov 9, 2015 17:29:02 GMT
I think one game is enough.
If Lloyd was not flopping around on the ice pretending to be hurt he would of just got 2+10 for kneeing.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 9, 2015 17:29:28 GMT
So ref's dish out a match penalty consistence with the rulebook. It then goes to DOPS to decide whether to top up ... is there a published guide that we can make reference to? You must be joking - as said before "it is not the offence, or the outcome, it is who your next opponents are" - Lloyd deserved to get hit, and has had it coming for a long time, and like O'Connor did in the Sheffield game, he milked it - At the time it looked a bad hit, but looking at the reply, I have seen worse not called. Still expect at least a 2 game ban, but the stripies inconsistency is damaging the game - surprised that Giants did not get a 5 on 3 power-play towards the end, that used to be the Carson signature |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 17:35:21 GMT
I've seen way worse hits not called MP's. Bit soft that imo. You'll get this with Ling though, sure he's a top playmaker/scorer who will rack up the points & win games on his own but he's a dirty player as well...... Lloyd is pretty similar, minus all the points & winning games single handedly bits.
Side topic, how poor was Murphy on a couple of those goals? He's way out of position for Ling's & the 5 hole on Ollie's deflected strike is silly huge.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 9, 2015 17:44:13 GMT
I didn't get a great view of the kneeing incident on Saturday. Now I've seen the video, it's not as bad as I was expecting it to be. Lloyd definitely made the most of it as you'd expect.
How can the same ref (Darnell) call the same offence (tanaka GP, Ling MP) differently within weeks of each other? Sums that attention seeking clown up.
Rebound Murphy was the usual Murphy, good for a goal and i still don't know why he bothers with a glove?
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Post by BigLad on Nov 9, 2015 18:06:44 GMT
It looked stupid on the night and I was expecting a minimum 3 game ban.
Seeing the video I want the match penalty rescinding! Nothing wrong with the hit!!
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Post by pantherdman on Nov 9, 2015 20:13:19 GMT
Got to agree, the video makes it better.
Not an amazing view on the video but it looks nothing. Called the dive not the hit again.
Been asking for a rule book for years, I can only infer they don't have a rule book so that they can make it up as they go.
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Post by dp on Nov 9, 2015 20:18:42 GMT
Just watched the "kneeing" frame by frame (as well as I could by pausing) and it looks like primary contact is hip on hip. I'm not sure his knee even makes contact.
So I think "kneeing" is a very strange call (not surprising for Darnell) - should it be "clipping" or something, if it's going to be anything?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 20:32:32 GMT
Just watched the "kneeing" frame by frame (as well as I could by pausing) and it looks like primary contact is hip on hip. I'm not sure his knee even makes contact. So I think "kneeing" is a very strange call (not surprising for Darnell) - should it be "clipping" or something, if it's going to be anything? Definitely not clipping. Clipping is below the knee & very dirty (See that punk Noble at Blaze). It's either kneeing or a good hit. Shouldn't be a further ban. |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 9, 2015 20:44:40 GMT
Looks like right knee on right knee to me. Ling was incredibly accepting of his punishment if he thought it was a good hit.
You don't have to use pause to frame by frame it BTW, in the settings (cog icon) you can change the speed of playback.
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Post by iginla on Nov 9, 2015 23:20:49 GMT
That Ling hit on Lloyd is nothing,should not even have been a match pen,it's a fair check for me. Why on earth would a player ever risk using his own knee to hit an opponents knee.....because who is to say who's knee will come off worst  You would have to be pretty stupid to risk your OWN knee and i'm sure David Ling is not hockey stupid ! |
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Post by Yotes on Nov 10, 2015 12:30:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2015 12:51:15 GMT
Maybe the seemingly innocuous incident with Waugh wasn't so innocuous. Would potentially explain why Cam went after him during the line change afterwards. |
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Nov 10, 2015 12:51:42 GMT
Certainly don't remember seeing anything during the game and thinking it was slew footing.
In fact there was only a couple of incidents I can remember from the game that involved Lloyd.
1) The late hit on Waugh... Could he have slew footed him there as initial point of contact? Possibly but surely it's not that bit.
2) The Ling knee on knee hit... Can't be that surely?
3) There was a penalty on Matthew Myers during the game (either second or third period I can't remember) where him and Lloyd sort of came together, both fell to to the ice and Myers got called for it. Could that have possibly been a slew foot?
All in all I don't recall any such incident, but someone's obviously watched the game tape and seen something they didn't like. Fairly certain we wouldn't have submitted it without being fairly confident of the case. Can't actually remember the last time we actually requested any disciplinary action.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 10, 2015 13:37:50 GMT
So, there are two incidents being investigated by the DOPeS after Saturdays game, both involving Lloyd, be interesting to see the results, not surprised that Panthers have asked for a review, as Lloyd milked the incident with Ling - having looked at that incident then it looked a lot worse at the time than it does in slow-mo.(are we allowed to use that or is it copy-write of the Steelers)and was made to look worse by Lloyds antics
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Post by tim27 on Nov 10, 2015 16:34:32 GMT
Maybe the seemingly innocuous incident with Waugh wasn't so innocuous. Would potentially explain why Cam went after him during the line change afterwards. It wasn't the Waugh hit after the whistle it was as they were going into the corner Lloyd. Either hauled him how by grabbing the panthers players shoulder or he slew footed him. I couldn't tell on the night. If if it was slew footing I would expect a realitively big ban for Lloyd as it will be his second slew footing incident in a matter of weeks. |
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 10, 2015 16:56:28 GMT
Lloyd was given a "Match" penalty against Devils, and missed a game against Steelers but no further action was taken - I will be very surprised if he gets any penalty this time as it was not called at the time (Darnell looking the other way??)- Also noticed Tanaka incident (Abuse of official) is not being investigated (Another dirty player that seems to get away scot free)- As we play Steelers next week the Ling penalty Must be at least a 2 game ban (Rule 781)
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Post by lepine28 on Nov 10, 2015 18:08:25 GMT
I'm pretty sure Ling will get a one game ban. Not ideal but we should be able to beat Coventry without him.
Lloyd will get naff all, he's a little rat that always gets away with murder.
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