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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2015 10:20:40 GMT
Terrible news on Moran
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2015 10:31:44 GMT
Don't say I didn't tell you what would happen overplaying our 35 year old imports etc !!!!!!!!!
Don't worry though,"we can still ice plenty of players including lots of Brits",it's just dandy and we'll be fine,the garden is rosy.....YEAH RIGHT OH !!!!!!!!!
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2015 10:44:05 GMT
I wonder if this is a consequence of the Tyson Marsh hit? If it is I'm very surprised he was allowed to play on Sunday. It's not overly specific so it's anybody's guess? Could be a whiplash type injury maybe? Often those type of injuries can take 24-48 hours to fully show up. That could explain why he was OK to play on Sunday? It looks as though the revolving door on the physios room is working well again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 10:46:10 GMT
Don't say I didn't tell you what would happen overplaying our 35 year old imports etc !!!!!!!!! Don't worry though,"we can still ice plenty of players including lots of Brits",it's just dandy and we'll be fine,the garden is rosy.....YEAH RIGHT OH !!!!!!!!! I'm guessing that the injury was caused by the Tyson Marsh hit, hardly a result of being overplayed.
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Post by pantherman66 on Dec 4, 2015 10:59:55 GMT
Priceless iginla.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 4, 2015 11:04:33 GMT
The injuries are getting beyond a joke tbh, we need to bring in some cover as they'll wreck our season.
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2015 11:19:03 GMT
The amount of injuries were beyond a joke weeks ago Panther G but nobody would listen.
And it wasn't the Marsh hit Jonno,Moran has been carrying an injury for a while. Did Panthers do anything about it though,NO they just carried on because the fans were happy clappers and said we had enough players.....YEAH RIGHT !!!!
One day some of you lot will listen !!!!!!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2015 11:38:23 GMT
Did Panthers do anything about it though,NO they just carried on because the fans were happy clappers and said we had enough players.....YEAH RIGHT !!!! I didn't know he was playing hurt, so don't really see how this can be my fault. Sounds like you did though, so I guess this one's on you?
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Dec 4, 2015 11:47:53 GMT
Did Panthers do anything about it though,NO they just carried on because the fans were happy clappers and said we had enough players. Or they carried on because the team were performing and were top of the league. Maybe that was the reason?
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Post by pantherman66 on Dec 4, 2015 11:48:15 GMT
Have you ever considered councilling iginla, you seem a very angry bunny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 11:48:17 GMT
One day some of you lot will listen !!!!!! A broken clock is right twice a day...
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Post by mattscold on Dec 4, 2015 11:48:59 GMT
The amount of injuries were beyond a joke weeks ago Panther G but nobody would listen. And it wasn't the Marsh hit Jonno,Moran has been carrying an injury for a while. Did Panthers do anything about it though,NO they just carried on because the fans were happy clappers and said we had enough players.....YEAH RIGHT !!!! One day some of you lot will listen !!!!!! Christ almighty, you're like a dog with a bone aren't you? How were we to know he was carrying an injury? I fail to see how this carried on because of the 'Happy Clappers' because even if all the fans were annoyed about it, do you really think the panthers org would have changed their strategy? In all seriousness, you need to chill the heck out dude.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 11:55:39 GMT
Tell you what Iginla here's a serious proposal. You do seem incredibly angry & negative about most things around the Panthers but there is substance to some of what you say.
instead of insulting fans on here how about you come on the podcast and debate these points. If you want to remain anonymous I'm happy to facilitate that.
This is a genuine, open offer. Ball's in your court.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2015 12:11:48 GMT
Irrespective of what's happened before and what our opinions are, surely enough is enough now. We seriously have to bring in a replacement now.
Potentially the best Panthers roster assembled in the modern era is running the risk of having it's season derailed due to injuries and the Panthers refusal to bring in replacements.
Frustrating to put it mildly.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 4, 2015 12:36:27 GMT
I'm definitely in the "carry a spare import" band, however it has to be the right character.
No point in bring in Joe Bloggs just for the sake of it.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 4, 2015 12:43:10 GMT
Has nobody else realised that our injury crisis' over the past couple of seasons has also coincided with us penny pinching and deciding not to have mark Coles doing any fitness work with the team anymore.
Coincidence? I think not.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2015 12:49:09 GMT
I'm definitely in the "carry a spare import" band, however it has to be the right character. No point in bring in Joe Bloggs just for the sake of it. I made the point previously that clubs are either Proactive (carry a spare) or Reactive (replace as/when necessary) but I don't believe that you can afford to be neither. It looks like we are though? Personally, I'd carry a spare (or two) from Day One. You wouldn't even have to call them 'spares', call it a squad.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2015 12:50:45 GMT
Has nobody else realised that our injury crisis' over the past couple of seasons has also coincided with us penny pinching and deciding not to have mark Coles doing any fitness work with the team anymore. Coincidence? I think not. They do sometimes mention some other chap in terms of being our S&C coach, although I wonder if he just works down at Virgin Active. I agree we should have a dedicated full time role for this sort of thing, bad luck can only explain the last few years worth of injuries to a point.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2015 13:04:39 GMT
Personally, I'd carry a spare (or two) from Day One. You wouldn't even have to call them a 'spare', call it a squad. Not saying I disagree with you, but I think this is where you have to look at the sheer size and make up of our playing staff at the moment (Iggy won't like this). If we had no injuries we'd have the IIHF maximum 22 man game night roster, even with injuries we have as many players as an NHL game night roster. We have 9 Brits, 6 of whom (Lee, Clarke, Farmer, Lacho, Myers & Swindlehurst) are GB internationals and who we'll be paying premium Brit wages to (unless they're idiots). We have guys like Kolnik, Moran, Miika & Cam who will be on good money based on their CVs to date. We also have nowhere to send a player who isn't getting game time (other than to provide colour comms with Eddie). It just seems a little OTT to me, the railing against how outrageous it all is (not saying you do this Ted), is it really so bad? I dunno, I don't get exasperated by the message, just how it's delivered, and how often.
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Post by 5+game on Dec 4, 2015 13:07:11 GMT
Has nobody else realised that our injury crisis' over the past couple of seasons has also coincided with us penny pinching and deciding not to have mark Coles doing any fitness work with the team anymore. Coincidence? I think not. They do sometimes mention some other chap in terms of being our S&C coach, although I wonder if he just works down at Virgin Active. I agree we should have a dedicated full time role for this sort of thing, bad luck can only explain the last few years worth of injuries to a point. Not being rude to the guys at virgin active but they arn't even in the same ball park as Mark Coles.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2015 13:28:46 GMT
Personally, I'd carry a spare (or two) from Day One. You wouldn't even have to call them a 'spare', call it a squad. Not saying I disagree with you, but I think this is where you have to look at the sheer size and make up of our playing staff at the moment (Iggy won't like this). If we had no injuries we'd have the IIHF maximum 22 man game night roster, even with injuries we have as many players as an NHL game night roster. We have 9 Brits, 6 of whom (Lee, Clarke, Farmer, Lacho, Myers & Swindlehurst) are GB internationals and who we'll be paying premium Brit wages to (unless they're idiots). We have guys like Kolnik, Moran, Miika & Cam who will be on good money based on their CVs to date. We also have nowhere to send a player who isn't getting game time (other than to provide colour comms with Eddie). It just seems a little OTT to me, the railing against how outrageous it all is (not saying you do this Ted), is it really so bad? I dunno, I don't get exasperated by the message, just how it's delivered, and how often. I get what your saying Yotes and we do have a very impressive roster which includes the best Brit Pack in the league. I get the argument that there is a budget and that we have (without knowing the exact salaries) players on good money. I don't know what the answer is? I wouldn't say its' 'outrageous' and you could argue that it's not so bad. After all we're top of the league now but it's where we are at the end of the season that matters. The situation always seems worse though when we pick a(nother) medium-long term injury. So far this season, we've lost Wiedergut, Waugh, Schultz, Macmillan and now Moran and that's just the imports. This years team is arguably the best that CN has assembled, better than the Grand Slam team even? For long term success/sustainability, you should look to build from a position of strength. Sometimes it seems that Panther management are to willing to sit back with a smug grin and rest on their laurels whilst counting the profits.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 4, 2015 14:01:18 GMT
Personally, I'd carry a spare (or two) from Day One. You wouldn't even have to call them a 'spare', call it a squad. Not saying I disagree with you, but I think this is where you have to look at the sheer size and make up of our playing staff at the moment (Iggy won't like this). If we had no injuries we'd have the IIHF maximum 22 man game night roster, even with injuries we have as many players as an NHL game night roster. We have 9 Brits, 6 of whom (Lee, Clarke, Farmer, Lacho, Myers & Swindlehurst) are GB internationals and who we'll be paying premium Brit wages to (unless they're idiots). We have guys like Kolnik, Moran, Miika & Cam who will be on good money based on their CVs to date. We also have nowhere to send a player who isn't getting game time (other than to provide colour comms with Eddie). It just seems a little OTT to me, the railing against how outrageous it all is (not saying you do this Ted), is it really so bad? I dunno, I don't get exasperated by the message, just how it's delivered, and how often. I agree regarding the size of the roster and have posted as much previously. Somehow you have missed out Shultz, who will be on top dollar.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2015 14:10:40 GMT
He could well be, I was just listing a few who have what look to be quality CVs (NHL, AHL, bigger Euro leagues etc). I'm sure a lot of the others are on a decent wage too.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2015 14:26:13 GMT
The league winning team had DAB as a spare which is quite impressive in itself but if you are going to win the league it is expensive and no getting around that. With the higher profile our league now has and the amount of Euro players out there I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. There isn't suddenly a world shortage of hockey players that's for sure.
I think our squad is excellent and yes I personally think it is better than the 2012 / 2013 squad and yes we do have some pretty high wage players but if you really want to win the league you can't do it on a budget.
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Post by Ian on Dec 4, 2015 14:45:02 GMT
Has nobody else realised that our injury crisis' over the past couple of seasons has also coincided with us penny pinching and deciding not to have mark Coles doing any fitness work with the team anymore. Coincidence? I think not. They do sometimes mention some other chap in terms of being our S&C coach, although I wonder if he just works down at Virgin Active. I agree we should have a dedicated full time role for this sort of thing, bad luck can only explain the last few years worth of injuries to a point. Well I have thought this for ages and probably mentioned it on the Cage on one or two occasions. Different players, different opponents yet three seasons of constant injuries. How can that be coincidence or just bad luck? You can't stop bad hits or freak accidents like Waugh taking a puck to the body, but the strength & conditioning regime as well as the injury rehab programme can drastically influence how susceptible players are to sustaining injuries that keep them sidelined and how quickly they can get back after taking a knock. The only logical conclusion for me is that something is not right in that area of the club. And in case you think I'm just looking for a stick to beat the club with, I have spoken about this to people I know who work in fitness and conditioning in various sports (including Premier League football level) and they agree that it sounds unlikely to be just a run of bad luck.
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