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Post by iginla on Nov 25, 2015 17:51:07 GMT
At least the Steelers are missing Phillips for six weeks now.
Then again,less players equals more chance of winning on here so perhaps that will improve them !
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Post by Yotes on Nov 25, 2015 18:03:56 GMT
I don't think anyone has argued that on here, just that it's as more about which players than it is simple numbers.
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Post by iginla on Nov 25, 2015 18:26:10 GMT
Phillips is nowhere near Steelers best player Yotes,but i would say they are worse off without him. Every good team needs the key half dozen real quality players,I know that as well as anybody,but when adversity strikes as it has to Panthers,then having numbers to call on eases the problem and helps you stay on top.
That is my argument. If you are allowed 22 players then a team as big as Panthers should have 22 in my view,but if you are Manchester or Dundee etc and can only afford 17 then that's how it is for them. I just cannot see why people think it's ok to consistently play short like we have,sorry.
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Post by Pies on Nov 25, 2015 22:06:08 GMT
Phillips is nowhere near Steelers best player Yotes,but i would say they are worse off without him. Every good team needs the key half dozen real quality players,I know that as well as anybody,but when adversity strikes as it has to Panthers,then having numbers to call on eases the problem and helps you stay on top. That is my argument. If you are allowed 22 players then a team as big as Panthers should have 22 in my view,but if you are Manchester or Dundee etc and can only afford 17 then that's how it is for them. I just cannot see why people think it's ok to consistently play short like we have,sorry. I don't anyone has the attitude that we think it's okay to go with a short bench but we have the ability to realise that injuries happen and replacing a player isn't just as easy as clicking your fingers. We lose Schultz - how many 40 goal scorers are sat without jobs right now? Is there any point replacing him with a guy just to make up numbers? Will that player actually be detrimental to the team? And you sign a player for 2 weeks then get rid because you already have a player waiting to jump back in the line up - why would they come? Look at Pinc at Sheffield - they had to get a guy quick and it's been a disaster. We waited on Kyle hardy and by all accounts got a good player.
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Post by iginla on Nov 25, 2015 23:07:33 GMT
If a player is out short term Pies then I can see you point,but there have been loads of people on here who seem perfectly happy to play short,just because we have been icing 18 players. But we knew right from the start that Schultz was going to be out a long time so we should have replaced him. We also had Waugh out,Farmer out too,Hardy wasn't even on the radar never mind here and then Macmillan got injured.
We were at that point 3 imports and a Brit down,now I don't expect us to replace Schultz with a 40 goal scorer and keep him,but Lawrence got cut,Jarolin got cut,now Lucacevic has got cut. They were here,it would have cost peanuts to get them to Nottingham,they could have been here quickly and they would have helped us short term.
What would people say if a couple of other imports had got injured and we had been 5 imports and a Brit short,would they have said oh don't worry we will play with 15 because it's ok ? Remember,we have a 40 year old and two or three 35 year olds on this team,they are good but if you over play that sort of player because you are short you are asking for trouble. Players will come for two weeks,there will always be guys out there who need jobs,how many times have you heard that a player is here or somewhere on trial so to speak,loads of times it has happened. Just this year,we had Wiedergut,Sheffield got Lawrence,Coventry got Bobcek,they also got Pietrus.....all on trial trying to prove themselves.
Sometimes extra bodies count and make a difference. I just think it's poor when we are now three months into the season and have not yet once iced a full roster and in most games we haven't even been close to doing so !
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Post by Pies on Nov 25, 2015 23:22:48 GMT
If a player is out short term Pies then I can see you point,but there have been loads of people on here who seem perfectly happy to play short,just because we have been icing 18 players. But we knew right from the start that Schultz was going to be out a long time so we should have replaced him. We also had Waugh out,Farmer out too,Hardy wasn't even on the radar never mind here and then Macmillan got injured. We were at that point 3 imports and a Brit down,now I don't expect us to replace Schultz with a 40 goal scorer and keep him,but Lawrence got cut,Jarolin got cut,now Lucacevic has got cut. They were here,it would have cost peanuts to get them to Nottingham,they could have been here quickly and they would have helped us short term. What would people say if a couple of other imports had got injured and we had been 5 imports and a Brit short,would they have said oh don't worry we will play with 15 because it's ok ? Remember,we have a 40 year old and two or three 35 year olds on this team,they are good but if you over play that sort of player because you are short you are asking for trouble. Players will come for two weeks,there will always be guys out there who need jobs,how many times have you heard that a player is here or somewhere on trial so to speak,loads of times it has happened. Just this year,we had Wiedergut,Sheffield got Lawrence,Coventry got Bobcek,they also got Pietrus.....all on trial trying to prove themselves. Sometimes extra bodies count and make a difference. I just think it's poor when we are now three months into the season and have not yet once iced a full roster and in most games we haven't even been close to doing so ! Those Guys weren't good enough for teams in the EPL or teams who are lower ranked than us but we should just sign them? Last time I checked, we signed the best available not just cast aways. And I get your point about playing short but it hasn't hindered us at all. We may sign Jarolin or Lawrence or Lukacevic but will they bring anything to the team other than extra bodies? Sown times having guys who don't know the system or don't fit into the mould of what Corey wants from a team can be detrimental to the way the team plays. We needed a PP quarter back and we signed hardy - what need did any of those guys for other than an extra body. Age is only a number - some of the best players in this league are older - Kolnik and Moran are top of the charts for scoring and they keep fit - you don't see them missing any shifts all all - in the NHL, players play well into their 40's because they condition their bodies to play at an elite level for a long time - those 3 aren't any different. I am not against signing players but ultimately is it better to get the right guy or just any guy like you seem to want is to?
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Post by iginla on Nov 25, 2015 23:47:18 GMT
There is a point Pies when being short hurts you,and we are about to go into just about the hardest four games we could have in Cardiff,Sheffield,Belfast,Belfast and we are missing two imports whilst all the opposition will have a full quota,barring any injuries we don't know of. Yes ideally we want the right guy,but Jarolin,Lawrence and Lucacevic have all been top end scorers on their EIHL teams and to be honest,we have lacked goals at times.
If bodies weren't an issue and this is not going to be popular,but what are Oakford and Betteridge doing here ? The answer is they are providing depth and playing minutes to give better players a rest so they can go full tilt on their next shift.....and that is why I believe extra bodies do count.
How many times have you heard it said when we have played foreign teams,that they will roll four lines at us so it will be tough ? They roll four lines because they have depth. That is why I believe we should have a full roster,even if a couple of them are just short term cover.
Just think where Sheffield would be now without Lawrence's goals,they would be even further behind than they are now and you could argue virtually out of contention !
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Post by kezypanther on Nov 26, 2015 8:52:32 GMT
Iginla I agree with you on a lot of things and like you believe that we should be playing the maximum imports possible.
BUT why does this conversation have to be debated in every thread it's getting really annoying.
Just imo.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 27, 2015 13:06:18 GMT
Macmillan likely to miss this weekend though - not good. Now confirmed Mac will miss this weekend. Did anyone ever find out what exactly is wrong with Schultz?
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Post by ted logan on Nov 27, 2015 15:39:11 GMT
Macmillan likely to miss this weekend though - not good. Now confirmed Mac will miss this weekend. Did anyone ever find out what exactly is wrong with Schultz? Hopefully Macmillan will be fit for next weekend, maybe rushed him back a bit too soon last week? As far as I know, Panthers have not been specific about Schultz at all?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 16:43:47 GMT
I would have thought that Shultz has a badly sprained ankle ligament or something very similar.
I've done this playing football & at the time I thought my leg/ankle was broken.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 1, 2015 15:46:02 GMT
Looks like Schultz is skating again - footage on Twitter.
Excellent news. Maybe the Cardiff home game isn't too unrealistic, with an outside chance of playing some part in the Scottish triple header?
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Post by Shorty on Dec 1, 2015 17:07:30 GMT
Looks like Schultz is skating again - footage on Twitter. Excellent news. Maybe the Cardiff home game isn't too unrealistic, with an outside chance of playing some part in the Scottish triple header? Our ITK guy doesn't think so... i'm not happy they didn't bring in a temporary replacement for Schultz bearing in mind how long he was always going to be out......and he isn't coming back any time soon either.
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Post by iginla on Dec 1, 2015 18:30:26 GMT
Well you should listen to your ITK guy Shorty.......because from what I'm told Schultzy isn't coming back before Xmas !
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Post by Yotes on Dec 2, 2015 16:15:01 GMT
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Post by ted logan on Dec 2, 2015 16:48:28 GMT
Sounds like a bit of a setback with Schultz then. Last week they said he was '2-3 weeks away from rejoining the line-up' :- panthers.co.uk/content/injury-and-disciplinary-update-and-weaves-dropsA week later and 'there will be a further assessment on his progress in two weeks or so' Agree with you though Yotes. If we have Macmillan back and therefore have 12 forwards, no point in taking a chance on Schultz. He's a quality player but no point rushing him back only to play 1-2 games then miss another month.
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Post by iginla on Dec 2, 2015 18:19:32 GMT
Oh my goodness,Panthers are finally saying how it really is with Schultzy,instead of what they want the fans to hear.
Are you there Shorty ? Your "knows nothing ITK guy" is waiting for your next comment !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 19:19:32 GMT
I think Schultzy will return on boxing day
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 19:59:51 GMT
Hey, I didn't hear the tag?
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Post by Caesar on Dec 3, 2015 0:03:59 GMT
I think Schultzy will return on boxing day As much as we'd all love a fairy tale return at Christmas, I suspect he'll be back in the line up as soon as he's physically able to be playing. I don't care so long as he's 100%
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Post by Shorty on Dec 3, 2015 5:38:04 GMT
Oh my goodness,Panthers are finally saying how it really is with Schultzy,instead of what they want the fans to hear. Are you there Shorty ? Your "knows nothing ITK guy" is waiting for your next comment ! Of course I'm still here. It's disappointing if he has had a setback, and the sooner he is back the better. Please don't use quote marks when suggesting I typed that comment though. The thread was about the video clips of Schultz back on the ice, and I posted your comment from a different thread. You claim to be in the know by your own admission, friends of the players and all that.
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Post by iginla on Dec 3, 2015 10:41:29 GMT
All I'm saying Shorty is don't keep making out I know nothing,I don't know everything but a lot more than you may give me credit for.
Schultzy hasn't had a setback,they knew right from when he got injured he was going to be out a long long time,until at least Xmas or beyond,that is why I believe they should have brought in a temporary replacement and argued the case for it. People argued otherwise that we were fine because they based their thinking on rose tinted crap they get fed from the Panthers o/s and that is perhaps understandable given what they are told. My irritation is that knowing that what they were basing their opinion on was not true,so I argued the case but based on different facts though.
I'm not trying to be smart,clever or an ITK,I just try and see things from the true picture and if I see something written that is obviously wrong,like the recent comment on the o/s that Schultzy was due back pretty soon then i will try to point it out. If people don't believe what I'm saying then that's up to them,all I want at the end of the day is for Panthers to win,or have the best chance they possibly can of doing so !
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Post by ted logan on Dec 3, 2015 12:52:03 GMT
All I'm saying Shorty is don't keep making out I know nothing,I don't know everything but a lot more than you may give me credit for. Schultzy hasn't had a setback,they knew right from when he got injured he was going to be out a long long time,until at least Xmas or beyond,that is why I believe they should have brought in a temporary replacement and argued the case for it. People argued otherwise that we were fine because they based their thinking on rose tinted crap they get fed from the Panthers o/s and that is perhaps understandable given what they are told. My irritation is that knowing that what they were basing their opinion on was not true,so I argued the case but based on different facts though. I'm not trying to be smart,clever or an ITK,I just try and see things from the true picture and if I see something written that is obviously wrong,like the recent comment on the o/s that Schultzy was due back pretty soon then i will try to point it out. If people don't believe what I'm saying then that's up to them,all I want at the end of the day is for Panthers to win,or have the best chance they possibly can of doing so ! If they genuinely knew he was going to be out for 3 months or so then damn right they should've got a replacement in. That's pretty much half a season gone for one of the very best forwards in the league. I must admit when I first saw the incident (and then watched it on the highlights) I thought his season was over. I was amazed when they then said 8 weeks but I may have been (slightly foolishly maybe) suckered in by the GM spin machine. Looking like a Xmas return is the very, very best we can hope for but only if he's as close to fitness as he can be. If they 'nobody is available' line gets trotted out then a couple of familiar faces from a few years back just got gassed:- www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=13471www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=15122
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2015 9:47:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 9:48:46 GMT
I wonder if this is a consequence of the Tyson Marsh hit? If it is I'm very surprised he was allowed to play on Sunday.
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