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Post by fishman on Dec 17, 2014 10:29:15 GMT
Can some one fill me in on some detail about who, how the Gardener and Erhardt (named after hockey players) teams were picked, not a geographical thing or Belfast would be in Gardener and Hull would be in Erhardt conference
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Post by Yotes on Dec 17, 2014 11:37:25 GMT
They're geographic, but Belfast aren't going to want a season with fewer visits from us and the Steelers, and neither would we want them playing some of the Scottish teams too much, so they're in ours. It's supposed to reduce travel and give some teams something to play for (conference title). For info on the names: EIHL.co.uk |
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Post by GuinnessMan on Dec 17, 2014 11:37:40 GMT
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Post by spik on Dec 17, 2014 13:19:26 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 17, 2014 13:26:19 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over. Same thing gets said every season. |
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Post by spik on Dec 17, 2014 13:32:36 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over. Same thing gets said every season. Yes. |
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Post by Discoray on Dec 17, 2014 17:21:20 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over. *Ahem* What "walkovers" would they be? Nottingham 1-6 Hull Belfast 1-6 Fife Nottingham 3-4 Fife Braehead 4-3 Nottingham Nottingham 3-4 Dundee Braehead 5-3 Sheffield Edinburgh 5-3 Nottingham That was just a few of the "walkovers" against Gardiner Conference teams this season off the top of my head, dead easy playing those teams eh? Let's not forget as well, when Panthers won the league in 2013 they didn't even win their own conference! So nothing to stop Braehead or anyone else doing the exact same thing. Whoever ends up winning the league deserves it because they performed on a consistent basis against everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 17:35:34 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over. *Ahem* What "walkovers" would they be? Nottingham 1-6 Hull Belfast 1-6 Fife Nottingham 3-4 Fife Braehead 4-3 Nottingham Nottingham 3-4 Dundee Braehead 5-3 Sheffield Edinburgh 5-3 Nottingham That was just a few of the "walkovers" against Gardiner Conference teams this season off the top of my head, dead easy playing those teams eh? Let's not forget as well, when Panthers won the league in 2013 they didn't even win their own conference! So nothing to stop Braehead or anyone else doing the exact same thing. Whoever ends up winning the league deserves it because they performed on a consistent basis against everyone. Regardless of our results. You have the easier conference. Fact. Coreys comments stating the same thing got him flamed by all the Scottish fans, but the fact is he didnt say anything that wasnt true. You cant honestly say that the conferences are even or that ours isnt stronger and tougher. This situation was always going to come with Braehead getting stronger and stronger. It shows that its time to even out the games again. The entire Gardner conference has improved dramatically hence our results vs them and teams like Fife hammering Belfast. Wouldnt have happnened 3 years ago. But if Clan win, they have to accept the huge amount of comments saying how they have it easier. Thats just inevitable. Just like our Grand Slam/Treble comments. Im sorry but if youre claiming that your conference is in now way an advantage to the Clan then you need to have a rethink. |
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Post by Discoray on Dec 17, 2014 17:51:27 GMT
Regardless of our results. You have the easier conference. Fact. Coreys comments stating the same thing got him flamed by all the Scottish fans, but the fact is he didnt say anything that wasnt true. You cant honestly say that the conferences are even or that ours isnt stronger and tougher. This situation was always going to come with Braehead getting stronger and stronger. It shows that its time to even out the games again. The entire Gardner conference has improved dramatically hence our results vs them and teams like Fife hammering Belfast. Wouldnt have happnened 3 years ago. But if Clan win, they have to accept the huge amount of comments saying how they have it easier. Thats just inevitable. Just like our Grand Slam/Treble comments. Im sorry but if youre claiming that your conference is in now way an advantage to the Clan then you need to have a rethink. There is no significant advantage. There is no "fact" that the Gardiner Conference is "easier" it's not the periodic table we're talking about. It's a sporting one, "facts" don't apply because anyone can be on top of them. Clan at the moment have a winning record over all the Erhardt sides except Sheffield, win the last game against them and it's an even record. Clan won't need to blow up their Conference keeping that pace against the Erhardt, and I wouldn't rule them out doing so. Whoever does end up winning the league as I've said, will do so because they earned it. It requires rigorous consistency, luck with injuries, and players hitting form at the right time. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 17, 2014 18:36:32 GMT
Taking it from today,who has the easier second half of the season ?
Braehead have only EIGHT games left against Panthers,Steelers,Giants,Devils and Coventry.
Panthers have TWENTY ONE games left against the same opposition.
If Braehead don't finish above Panthers then Finnerty needs sacking !
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Post by spik on Dec 17, 2014 22:46:20 GMT
Bar the travel point I don't like this conference thing. As Mick Holland states on the Locker Room programme this week , there should be nothing stopping Braehead einning the title if they apply themselves properly. Most games an easy ride in their set up with points taken from some Erdhart sides its a walk over. *Ahem* What "walkovers" would they be? Nottingham 1-6 Hull Belfast 1-6 Fife Nottingham 3-4 Fife Braehead 4-3 Nottingham Nottingham 3-4 Dundee Braehead 5-3 Sheffield Edinburgh 5-3 Nottingham That was just a few of the "walkovers" against Gardiner Conference teams this season off the top of my head, dead easy playing those teams eh? Let's not forget as well, when Panthers won the league in 2013 they didn't even win their own conference! So nothing to stop Braehead or anyone else doing the exact same thing. Whoever ends up winning the league deserves it because they performed on a consistent basis against everyone. The term walk overs was referring to YOUR team doing well against others. Nothing about our failures old bean. And as regards your belief in it being an even playing field. I hear Braehead and Nottingham are swapping conferences next season.That would be ok with you? |
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 17, 2014 23:11:50 GMT
Regardless of our results. You have the easier conference. Fact. Coreys comments stating the same thing got him flamed by all the Scottish fans, but the fact is he didnt say anything that wasnt true. You cant honestly say that the conferences are even or that ours isnt stronger and tougher. This situation was always going to come with Braehead getting stronger and stronger. It shows that its time to even out the games again. The entire Gardner conference has improved dramatically hence our results vs them and teams like Fife hammering Belfast. Wouldnt have happnened 3 years ago. But if Clan win, they have to accept the huge amount of comments saying how they have it easier. Thats just inevitable. Just like our Grand Slam/Treble comments. Im sorry but if youre claiming that your conference is in now way an advantage to the Clan then you need to have a rethink. There is no significant advantage. There is no "fact" that the Gardiner Conference is "easier" it's not the periodic table we're talking about. It's a sporting one, "facts" don't apply because anyone can be on top of them. Clan at the moment have a winning record over all the Erhardt sides except Sheffield, win the last game against them and it's an even record. Clan won't need to blow up their Conference keeping that pace against the Erhardt, and I wouldn't rule them out doing so. Whoever does end up winning the league as I've said, will do so because they earned it. It requires rigorous consistency, luck with injuries, and players hitting form at the right time. One of the worst posts I've seen. So deluded. |
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 18, 2014 1:31:27 GMT
Regardless of our results. You have the easier conference. Fact. Coreys comments stating the same thing got him flamed by all the Scottish fans, but the fact is he didnt say anything that wasnt true. You cant honestly say that the conferences are even or that ours isnt stronger and tougher. This situation was always going to come with Braehead getting stronger and stronger. It shows that its time to even out the games again. The entire Gardner conference has improved dramatically hence our results vs them and teams like Fife hammering Belfast. Wouldnt have happnened 3 years ago. But if Clan win, they have to accept the huge amount of comments saying how they have it easier. Thats just inevitable. Just like our Grand Slam/Treble comments. Im sorry but if youre claiming that your conference is in now way an advantage to the Clan then you need to have a rethink. There is no significant advantage. There is no "fact" that the Gardiner Conference is "easier" it's not the periodic table we're talking about. It's a sporting one, "facts" don't apply because anyone can be on top of them. Clan at the moment have a winning record over all the Erhardt sides except Sheffield, win the last game against them and it's an even record. Clan won't need to blow up their Conference keeping that pace against the Erhardt, and I wouldn't rule them out doing so. Whoever does end up winning the league as I've said, will do so because they earned it. It requires rigorous consistency, luck with injuries, and players hitting form at the right time. If you seriously believe the Gardiner isn't easier than the Erhardt to play in then those men in white coats will be round soon.
I'd take your games left over what Panthers/Sheffield/Belfast have to play any day of the week.
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Post by Doom on Dec 18, 2014 8:06:19 GMT
There is no significant advantage. There is no "fact" that the Gardiner Conference is "easier" it's not the periodic table we're talking about. It's a sporting one, "facts" don't apply because anyone can be on top of them. There's a reason why 4 of the bottom 5 teams are from the Gardiner Conference. There's a reason why season after season 4 of the bottom 5 teams are usually from the Gardiner Conference. The answer is quite simple....They're not as good as the Erhardt teams. Because of the different schedules, it's quite possible that Braehead could have a poorer record than Nottingham against both Gardiner Conference teams and Erhardt Conference teams (in terms of win percentage), yet still finish above them on points in the table. Regards Doom |
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Post by spik on Dec 18, 2014 15:26:57 GMT
There is no significant advantage. There is no "fact" that the Gardiner Conference is "easier" it's not the periodic table we're talking about. It's a sporting one, "facts" don't apply because anyone can be on top of them. There's a reason why 4 of the bottom 5 teams are from the Gardiner Conference. There's a reason why season after season 4 of the bottom 5 teams are usually from the Gardiner Conference. The answer is quite simple....They're not as good as the Erhardt teams. Because of the different schedules, it's quite possible that Braehead could have a poorer record than Nottingham against both Gardiner Conference teams and Erhardt Conference teams (in terms of win percentage), yet still finish above them on points in the table. Regards Doom Correct, by way of 'other' games effectively going the right way for a team. BUT, meaning the conference teams schedules from fixture list being 'equal' from the off?...No |
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Post by Discoray on Dec 20, 2014 23:12:28 GMT
Not going to waste much more on here since I'm talking to an already converted crowd but considering the Clan play Gardner teams much more than the Panthers (as everyone here is very keen to point out) Panthers have still lost more games to them than the Clan have. So take whatever conclusions from that what you will.
Over & out, best of luck to you for the rest of the season. May the best team win all the respective competitions!
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Post by spik on Dec 20, 2014 23:20:27 GMT
So far....,(wink).....enjoy your hockey.
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