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Post by Doom on May 29, 2014 11:35:58 GMT
From what I recall Higgins was very much a meh signing amongst Belfast supporters, but he turned out to be one of the quickest and most skilful players in the league last season.
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Doom
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Post by Rob Scott on May 30, 2014 8:25:13 GMT
Just been having a look at the stats of Nico Sacchetti who has had a very similar career path to Evan Mosey
They both played 4 years in NCAA with Sacchetti as a forward scoring at 0.26 PPG (Plus/ Minus of -7) with Mosey going at 0.28 PPG (Plus/ Minus of +6).
In Holland Sacchetti scored at 1.64PPG and Mosey at 1.39PPG.
In the EIHL the following season Sacchetti went at 1.54 PPG for Dundee.
If Mosey has anywhere near the same transition into the EIHL he could put up some really decent numbers.
The only D man that I can see who scored at more than a point a game in the EIHL last season was Panthers very own Chris Murray.
From the comments and videos of Mosey it seems that he has a great set of wheels, competes hard and is very comfortable on the puck.
I for one am looking forward to seeing the kid play.
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on May 30, 2014 9:58:02 GMT
I think what people need to get into their heads is that Max Perent hasn't been signed to score points. He's coming here to do the dirty work in the corners and be a solid two way forward helping out in the defensive duties.
Not every player we sign will have put up big numbers their whole career.
Mosey should be a hungry guy looking to make a good impression for his very young professional career
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Post by kezypanther on May 30, 2014 10:04:37 GMT
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Post by Rob Scott on May 30, 2014 10:38:53 GMT
I think what people need to get into their heads is that Max Perent hasn't been signed to score points. He's coming here to do the dirty work in the corners and be a solid two way forward helping out in the defensive duties. Not every player we sign will have put up big numbers their whole career. Mosey should be a hungry guy looking to make a good impression for his very young professional career Every import forward in the EIHL needs to be able to put up good numbers. I don't see anything on Parent's CV to make me think he won't be capable of scoring at around a point a game.
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Post by Pies on May 30, 2014 12:16:03 GMT
This offensive play is impressive!
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on May 30, 2014 12:38:27 GMT
I think what people need to get into their heads is that Max Perent hasn't been signed to score points. He's coming here to do the dirty work in the corners and be a solid two way forward helping out in the defensive duties. Not every player we sign will have put up big numbers their whole career. Mosey should be a hungry guy looking to make a good impression for his very young professional career Every import forward in the EIHL needs to be able to put up good numbers. I don't see anything on Parent's CV to make me think he won't be capable of scoring at around a point a game. I beg to differ there, doing the dirty work in the corners and making space for your line mates may not get you a hat full of points but is ans important sometime as scoring a goal. I also suppose it depends what your definition of good numbers is.
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Post by Doom on May 30, 2014 12:50:02 GMT
Whilst Parent hasn't put up good numbers, the fact he's straight out of the AHL suggests to me he'll be a good player in our league. He's probably more a two way player in the mould of a Steve Goertzen, but that's not such a bad thing as long as you have couple of high scoring imports to complement him. Well that's one of them with the addition of Graham. Regards Doom
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Post by Swamp Donkey on May 30, 2014 20:23:39 GMT
[/quote]Most supporters like to be blown away by the stats when they click on a link to a new player and neither of these two do that.
Whilst Parent hasn't put up good numbers, the fact he's straight out of the AHL suggests to me he'll be a good player in our league. He's probably more a two way player in the mould of a Steve Goertzen, but that's not such a bad thing as long as you have couple of high scoring imports to complement him.
Mosey looks more of a risk, a bit like Rod Sarich for us, but for different reasons. I would think he'll be relatively cheap so his signing will probably give Corey the financial muscle elsewhere on the roster.
I think it's difficult to judge these two signing until you see what Corey has in mind with the rest of the squad.
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You said on Squeal bleat you'd be disappointed if Squeelers had signed them. Why?
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Post by Doom on May 30, 2014 22:39:37 GMT
You said on Squeal bleat you'd be disappointed if Squeelers had signed them. Why? I explained why: Their CV's don't over impress, but as I also stated, sometimes those sort of players do turn out to be real stars. From our point of view I'm concerned we have far less goals in our Brits than Belfast or yourselves, so we need import forwards who know where the net is. Parent looks like a good gritty forward, but he doesn't look like a goal scorer and that's what we need. Regards Doom
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Post by nate24 on Jun 1, 2014 5:46:33 GMT
They are coming to the UK. One of the smallest hockey markets in Europe that has little recognition abroad. Stability is always in question and some teams have royally screwed players over in the past. Players could make all these negative 'not impressive' or 'under-whelmimg' comments about us.
As for not being the right kind of players for the champions league, get over yourself. The Hamburg freezers have a wage bill well into 7 digits. Neil Black can't afford that but of you look at the signings so far he is not scrimping. Corey will do the best with what's available. We are the equivalent of a division 3 team playing a premiereship team in the FA cup, that's just the way it is and giant killing can happen.
Stop being so snobbish without seeing a minute of them on the ice. They are giving us a chance so why don't you give them a chance.
I have negative thoughts about players all the time but I keep them to myself until I can justify them.
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Post by pantherdaveb on Jun 1, 2014 12:43:02 GMT
They are coming to the UK. One of the smallest hockey markets in Europe that has little recognition abroad. Stability is always in question and some teams have royally screwed players over in the past. Players could make all these negative 'not impressive' or 'under-whelmimg' comments about us. As for not being the right kind of players for the champions league, get over yourself. The Hamburg freezers have a wage bill well into 7 digits. Neil Black can't afford that but of you look at the signings so far he is not scrimping. Corey will do the best with what's available. We are the equivalent of a division 3 team playing a premiereship team in the FA cup, that's just the way it is and giant killing can happen. Stop being so snobbish without seeing a minute of them on the ice. They are giving us a chance so why don't you give them a chance. I have negative thoughts about players all the time but I keep them to myself until I can justify them. +1000 at last someone with some sense i totally agree with all your comments so far. Give these lads a chance before any judgement is made, well said.
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Post by texpef on Jun 2, 2014 5:48:51 GMT
They are coming to the UK. One of the smallest hockey markets in Europe that has little recognition abroad. Stability is always in question and some teams have royally screwed players over in the past. Players could make all these negative 'not impressive' or 'underwhelmimg' comments about us. As for not being the right kind of players for the champions league, get over yourself. The Hamburg freezers have a wage bill well into 7 digits. Neil Black can't afford that but of you look at the signings so far he is not scrimping. Corey will do the best with what's available. We are the equivalent of a division 3 team playing a premiership team in the FA cup, that's just the way it is and giant killing can happen. Stop being so snobbish without seeing a minute of them on the ice. They are giving us a chance so why don't you give them a chance. I have negative thoughts about players all the time but I keep them to myself until I can justify them. There is also the other side of this coin too, UK may be one of the smallest hockey markets in Europe but we do have certain attractions and to name but a small number in no particular order, UK speaks English, Has many ancestors of America, Has a very stable currency and is on par with America for technology and mostly clubs are stable and the players get paid. In Nottingham in particular the players get treated like royalty, payment is never a problem and although no where near NHL get a very good lifestyle. There are numerous reasons players would choose the UK even over more lucrative contracts in the continent. Import players come and they go with very few choosing to spend their lives in this country generally speaking they are journeymen although as seen even in Nottingham some perform in the UK and some dont regardless of their pedigrees. Having said that its not rocket science that the better skilled players have played at a higher level and that generally if players do well at say for example the AHL they will do well over here. As stated there are exceptions to every rule but mostly the players who have played at a higher level have done so because they deserve to and as at present a CV is all most fans have to go on as they havent seen the players actually play it is no surprise if a player has a less than impressive CV they will get criticised. The players stated have less than a glowing CV so will be criticised but as stated previously these may be the exception to the rule, lets hope so eh.
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Post by nate24 on Jun 2, 2014 16:30:04 GMT
I agree text except in that I don't feel our league is that stable. The EPL has more stability. Every year clubs are threatening to leave or near collapsing. That's not healthy and we need to be strict on who can enter the league if we want stability.
Also you exactly right about journeyman players. That is our key player demographic and by the nature of their career they can be hit and miss wherever they play. The solid AHL/ ECHL players people are pining for are in the AHL and ECHL as well as European elite leagues. We have To give players a chance as they could just click, it happens. I stand by my comments and especially the fact that they are giving us a chance. Whatever the social/ economic situation they are in off the ice in the UK it is still a gamble.
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 2, 2014 17:26:09 GMT
....I don't feel our league is that stable. The EPL has more stability. Every year clubs are threatening to leave or near collapsing...... You are joking right? EPL more stable? There are still questions as to whether Slough Jets are going to play in the EPL next season, Bracknell Bees have struggled to see seasons out, Wrightlink Raiders had to drop out of the EPL a few seasons back and Telford Tigers ceased playing for a season. Quite frankly, regardless of what the collective wisdom of THF may state, the EPL is arguably in a worse state than the EIHL.
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Post by calv on Jun 2, 2014 17:51:05 GMT
....I don't feel our league is that stable. The EPL has more stability. Every year clubs are threatening to leave or near collapsing...... You are joking right? EPL more stable? There are still questions as to whether Slough Jets are going to play in the EPL next season, Bracknell Bees have struggled to see seasons out, Wrightlink Raiders had to drop out of the EPL a few seasons back and Telford Tigers ceased playing for a season. Quite frankly, regardless of what the collective wisdom of THF may state, the EPL is arguably in a worse state than the EIHL. Slough have already dropped out. EPL will be 9 teams next season.
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Post by tootootrain on Jun 2, 2014 19:39:58 GMT
Slough have already dropped out. EPL will be 9 teams next season. I wasn't aware it had been officially announced but if it is, case proven.
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Post by nate24 on Jun 2, 2014 21:38:03 GMT
....I don't feel our league is that stable. The EPL has more stability. Every year clubs are threatening to leave or near collapsing...... You are joking right? EPL more stable? There are still questions as to whether Slough Jets are going to play in the EPL next season, Bracknell Bees have struggled to see seasons out, Wrightlink Raiders had to drop out of the EPL a few seasons back and Telford Tigers ceased playing for a season. Quite frankly, regardless of what the collective wisdom of THF may state, the EPL is arguably in a worse state than the EIHL. I just feel they will outlast the EIHL. They are certainly struggling a little now but I just think that they are less at risk of a total implosion than the EIHL. This may change with time, I hope it does. To be honest we need the EPL and NIHL as much as they need us and ideally every team should be connected to a team in each league. This would foster development. It won't happen due to the financial applications.
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Post by Gilly on Jun 23, 2014 8:43:32 GMT
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Post by jd on Jun 23, 2014 8:47:35 GMT
Loves catching players with their heads down
I like that a lot
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Terry Kurtenbach
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Post by 5+game on Jun 23, 2014 9:39:43 GMT
Loves catching players with their heads down I like that a lot Hansons going to love him then.
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Post by NP on Jun 23, 2014 11:17:16 GMT
Loves catching players with their heads down I like that a lot someone best warn him, that that offence will result in about a "6 match ban" in the elite league!
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Post by Mark on Jun 24, 2014 18:17:10 GMT
Quite frankly I'd have thought given how some players have turned out in the past, people would hold fire when judging newcomers. We've signed players in the past with great cv's who've not really delivered whilst many with lesser credentials have been absolute gems. Many on here questioned the signing of Guy Lepine because initially he was destined for Hull but how many of those doubters would welcome him back now?
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Post by Stargazer on Jun 24, 2014 20:37:03 GMT
Quite frankly I'd have thought given how some players have turned out in the past, people would hold fire when judging newcomers. We've signed players in the past with great cv's who've not really delivered whilst many with lesser credentials have been absolute gems. Many on here questioned the signing of Guy Lepine because initially he was destined for Hull but how many of those doubters would welcome him back now? I actually think that Corey deserves a lot of credit with regard to the development of Lepine as a player.
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Post by 5+game on Jun 25, 2014 11:19:18 GMT
Quite frankly I'd have thought given how some players have turned out in the past, people would hold fire when judging newcomers. We've signed players in the past with great cv's who've not really delivered whilst many with lesser credentials have been absolute gems. Many on here questioned the signing of Guy Lepine because initially he was destined for Hull but how many of those doubters would welcome him back now? I actually think that Corey deserves a lot of credit with regard to the development of Lepine as a player. If Lepine had gone to Hull instead of us he wouldn't have been called up to the AHL last year. Corey turned him from a 7th spot fighting dman to a solid stay at home player.
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