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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 12, 2011 18:09:44 GMT
Surprised no body has created a thread about the recent events that have been going on in the UK. What are your views on the riots?
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Post by Uppercut on Aug 12, 2011 18:14:55 GMT
To be blunt. They should be all be locked up or kicked out. Simple as that.
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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 12, 2011 18:18:06 GMT
To be blunt. They should be all be locked up or kicked out. Simple as that. Kicked out of where exactly? Work, School, The respective city, the UK? |
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Post by kilner on Aug 12, 2011 18:21:04 GMT
Words cant describe how scummy these people are
The lads who gave Richard Bowes a kick in for putting out a fire then launched missiles at people trying to resuscitate him. A good reason to bring the death penalty back imo.
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 12, 2011 19:23:49 GMT
Cowards, if they are making a protest why are they hiding their faces?
Spray them all with indellable ink, then go door to door and arrest them or just give the police battons and guns and let them do there job. nanny state is to blame IMO.
it's all just an excuse to be scumbags, anyways it will all be over when school starts again.
This is what happens when you don't sign an enforcer. :-)
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Post by Doughnut on Aug 12, 2011 20:40:33 GMT
Down with this sort of thing
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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 13, 2011 21:47:27 GMT
Whilst the actions of these rioters and 'protesters', is not acceptable. But you have to take into consideration, not every child that is born isn't born into a loving family, and may go to youth clubs, music or drama groups after school to help them cope with a bad family life. But David Shameron and his con dem nation having been taking money away from these projects which help enhance a childs life and keeps them off the street
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 13, 2011 22:30:06 GMT
Whilst the actions of these rioters and 'protesters', is not acceptable. But you have to take into consideration, not every child that is born isn't born into a loving family, and may go to youth clubs, music or drama groups after school to help them cope with a bad family life. But David Shameron and his con dem nation having been taking money away from these projects which help enhance a childs life and keeps them off the street Oh please. Just looking at some of the footage of these so-called 'rioters' (basic looting criminal scum, in reality)... half of them are wearing trainers that cost more than every bit of clothing I'm wearing combined, and coordinating their criminality with Blackberries and other smartphones! These scum aren't deprived... just depraved. They've got plenty... they just don't give a toss. |
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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 13, 2011 23:18:54 GMT
Whilst the actions of these rioters and 'protesters', is not acceptable. But you have to take into consideration, not every child that is born isn't born into a loving family, and may go to youth clubs, music or drama groups after school to help them cope with a bad family life. But David Shameron and his con dem nation having been taking money away from these projects which help enhance a childs life and keeps them off the street Oh please. Just looking at some of the footage of these so-called 'rioters' (basic looting criminal scum, in reality)... half of them are wearing trainers that cost more than every bit of clothing I'm wearing combined, and coordinating their criminality with Blackberries and other smartphones! These scum aren't deprived... just depraved. They've got plenty... they just don't give a toss. I never said they were materially deprived. You say only half are 'criminal scum' what about the other half? |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 13, 2011 23:56:17 GMT
Oh please. Just looking at some of the footage of these so-called 'rioters' (basic looting criminal scum, in reality)... half of them are wearing trainers that cost more than every bit of clothing I'm wearing combined, and coordinating their criminality with Blackberries and other smartphones! These scum aren't deprived... just depraved. They've got plenty... they just don't give a toss. I never said they were materially deprived. You say only half are 'criminal scum' what about the other half? So what are you trying to say? As far as I can see, you're as bad as Ken Livingstone and the other political types who are trying to use this for further their own political agendas. It doesn't matter which bunch of tosspots are in power at the moment, the other lot will be blaming it all on them. Are you trying to tell us that you honestly believe that most or all of this is down to the actions of a government who have been in power for little more than a year? That would be beyond naive (or blinkered) and into the realms of fantasy. And if you'd bothered to actually read what I wrote, you'd have quite clearly seen that I didn't say that "only half are 'criminal scum' "... I said that half of them were wearing expensive trainers (and, no doubt, other pricey clothing, bling etc). As far as I'm concerned, ALL of these protesters rioters looters are criminal scum. Hell - I bet that most of them couldn't even name the guy who got shot by the police... this was just an excuse to indulge in looting and violence. |
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Post by pantherdman on Aug 14, 2011 7:48:52 GMT
Loved Marcus Hahnemann's opinion on Soccer AM yesterday:
'A supposed drug dealer got shot for carrying an illegal fire arm, I don't see why thats a problem?'
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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 14, 2011 13:03:23 GMT
Loved Marcus Hahnemann's opinion on Soccer AM yesterday: 'A supposed drug dealer got shot for carrying an illegal fire arm, I don't see why thats a problem?' So he was only supposed drug dealer. It seems the police are over reacting to the issue where a 20 yr old man was convicted of carrying carrier bags with NO stolen good in them. Does this now mean people who use bags for life can be arrested for taking them to the supermarket? Seems as though the police have got it wrong again, the claimed that Mark Duggon the person who was shot, fired at the police but eye wittinesses have confirmed that he didn't and the police shot him down and refused for the family to see the body until 36 hrs after he was taken into the morgue. And our unelected Prime Minister is hardly one to speak about morals is he? in 1987 he smashed a window at Bullingdon then he Boris and another student did a runner to avoid the law. And the people he works with aren't much better, with Nick Clegg 'Mr Clegg said the cactus prank was the "worst trouble" he got into. He said he and a friend became drunk and found they had two boxes of matches, in a greenhouse full of exotic plants. They began lighting various plants, watching their tiny hairs burst into flame. They ended up burning two greenhouses of cacti. Where he was ordered to to a community service Then we have Gove, Blears, Kaufman, Vaizey, Hunt who calimed/ stolen £46,000 from the taxpayer. Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force. We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met. Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really? |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 14, 2011 13:12:30 GMT
J-Bone - are you really trying to make a party political issue out of this? That's just pathetic. Any decline in our culture - and I happen to agree with you that there has been such, although probably looking at different causes than you - has been going on for decades at least, not just the past year or so. Oh, and it wasn't the police that claimed Duggan fired first - they kept schtumm on the matter. It was the IPCC... so, wrong again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14510329 |
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Post by sanjosefan on Aug 14, 2011 14:17:09 GMT
J-Bone - are you really trying to make a party political issue out of this? That's just pathetic. Any decline in our culture - and I happen to agree with you that there has been such, although probably looking at different causes than you - has been going on for decades at least, not just the past year or so. Oh, and it wasn't the police that claimed Duggan fired first - they kept schtumm on the matter. It was the IPCC... so, wrong again. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14510329 No way am I making a political debate on this. Its a social matter that effects us all. It swizzled me right off when I read this Writing in the Daily Mail Friday, Richard Littlejohn described those being arrested as “a wolfpack of feral inner-city waifs and strays”. He said, “The realisation is finally dawning in some quarters that we’re now into the third, or even fourth generation of inner-city underclass”. Part of my earlier point its not all lower class folk it goes from top to bottom. The BBC also annoyed me with this. |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 14, 2011 17:31:31 GMT
No way am I making a political debate on this. No? Really? Exactly who started in on a swingeing attack on Cameron et al? On that, we agree. Well, there's your first mistake. Why read that piece of toilet paper, unless you're looking for a reason to raise your blood pressure? Hmmm... a tad OTT there. Wolf-pack... definitely. Inner-city... pretty much spot on. Waifs and strays... hardly! By the looks of it, every last one of them has a roof over his/her head every night, a full belly and plenty of dosh to spend on flash gear. Top to bottom... yes, in different ways of course. Corruption high up, more physical theft lower down. But that has been the case throughout human history - it's not right, it's something that always needs to be fought... but it's not exactly anything new. What he HAS got right, I believe, is that we have bred multiple generations of lazy, grasping, contemptuous benefit-whores who live off the sweat of the rest of us and just keep insisting on more. If "under-class" is defined as those who can - and do - live off benefits because they can do so far more comfortably than actually working for a living... then yes, he's right. But, of course, they all have votes... so the politicians (on all sides!) keep feeding them more slops for their trough so they'll vote for the feeders. How long, I wonder, before we start going down the Roman route of bread and circuses? |
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Post by jd on Aug 14, 2011 21:46:14 GMT
Too much polictial correctness, power taken away from teachers, telling us smacking kids is out of order is wrong, discipline is key. This has been a long time coming. Courts are too soft.
I think Notts police have been brilliant. The twitter feed is great, telling us when they have caught people, named them, said what sentence they have
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Post by Pies on Aug 15, 2011 11:18:51 GMT
I went to school with no power for teachers and didnt get hit at home. I still like to think that I turned out a half decent human being. It's time for people to take responsibilty for their own actions and quit blaming everyone else
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Post by Uppercut on Aug 15, 2011 22:37:05 GMT
To be blunt. They should be all be locked up or kicked out. Simple as that. Kicked out of where exactly? Work, School, The respective city, the UK? To answer your query. When i say kicked out i mean kicked out of the country all together. Regardless of race, nationality, criminal record or whether their family and mates are here. We dont want em here. For me it should 1 strike and your out. |
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 16, 2011 5:33:13 GMT
Kicked out of where exactly? Work, School, The respective city, the UK? To answer your query. When i say kicked out i mean kicked out of the country all together. Regardless of race, nationality, criminal record or whether their family and mates are here. We dont want em here. For me it should 1 strike and your out. All very well in theory... but "kick them out" to where? Who the hell would accept them? These are, sadly, British citizens... not visitors. Like it or not, they are our problem and have to be dealt with domestically. Whilst the simple 'get rid of them' viewpoint is emotionally satisfying, it's also utterly unrealistic. Short of mass executions, we can't get rid of them... so we have to deal with the problem on a more rational basis. Please note I say "rational" - not "wishy-washy". The decline in discipline for kids, enforcement of law and punishment of criminality over the past few decades is the major reason IMHO for this whole situation, and that needs to be changed NOW. Unfortunately, even if it does change now, we won't see most of the effects for at least a couple of generations. This is a long-term problem. |
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Post by lee on Aug 16, 2011 14:53:23 GMT
and this is why others avoided raising the topic....
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Post by seedy on Aug 18, 2011 17:50:37 GMT
the guy who got shot was carrying a loaded gun right?
The police acted in the only appropriate way, they shot him dead. you cant argue their response wasnt propertionate to the danger to the public.
As for the rioters, they are saying the sentences are too harsh.... screw that. These people chose to go out and loot and riot, they werent protesting about anything, they said they have hardship... well im sorry but there are enough grants and start up schemes for them that they just dont utilise, no wonder the govt is cutting back on them. The dregs of society have it much worse in other countrys, they should be grateful for what they do have.
By rioting and looting theyve proved themselves it does absoloutley naff all.
A lot of people grow up without the conveniences money can buy in the way of university and family life and yet the govt doesnt consider them poor enough to be targeted by those schemes and those people were probably the ones most outraged by it.
Those who claim it was acting out against the rich to prove they can do anything are sadly deluded. Arachism doesnt work, communism doesnt work. There will always be rich, there will always be poor. Society cant work any differently.
To sum up the riots it was a bunch of petty criminals who took advantage of a police force with no teeth and a government more concerned with potential breaches of human rights than public order.
On the first night they should have imposed curfews and used tear gas and water cannons on those who didnt obey.
Civil disobedience is still disobedience.
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