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Post by EMB on Apr 12, 2011 8:24:00 GMT
I too think that some of the team will not return if Jade does, I have an awful feeling one of those could be Danny Meyers as it was he that finally snapped and gave Jade the dressing down he deserved infront of the whole team. I hear one or two others also added their two penneth, funny but since then the team went onto win 11 out of 12 matches.... I just wonder whether Corey can actually cut that umbilical cord to one of his best friends.
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Post by rach09 on Apr 12, 2011 8:33:30 GMT
Yet Danny was seen hugging Jade during Rob's concert. Who knows what really goes off behind closed doors.
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Post by Panthers_44 on Apr 12, 2011 10:25:10 GMT
Another case of you just never know how to interpret a situation, in the game against Coventry 8th February, on one of the line changes when the Bellamy line came on to replace Jade's line, Jade went to touch gloves/fist to fist with Bellamy as he skated by and Bellamy just seemed to have snubbed him.
Now I know you can read too much into a situation sometimes, but nobody gives away anything to say nothing is wrong, so immediately you just think that there is.
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Post by Pies on Apr 12, 2011 11:35:07 GMT
I'd expect Danny to give players dressing down's, he's the captain. Lets be honest it's all hearsay about Jade's rep. Billy Ryan commented on his playoff goal that it was thanks to Jade's advice that he scored.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 14, 2011 9:49:56 GMT
The people who want Jade to stay seem to use the reason that his points production would be extremely hard to replace. Is this really the case?
If he was to leave what calibre of player would be needed to replace him?
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 14, 2011 10:31:27 GMT
I am delighted we now have Strachan confirmed
The best signing news for me now would not be a signing (Kwall was the one we needed most and we have him already)
But news that Jade was being released - if this happens it would show me we are putting winning the League as our first priority - if he signs for us again I believe it shows winning cups is enough for us IMO
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 14, 2011 12:36:55 GMT
I think Galbraith has had his time here and I would like to see him replaced. Fantastic player to watch but I don't think he will really help us make a sustained challenge for the league I reckon there are many players that we could realistically sign to replace him.
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 14, 2011 12:58:04 GMT
I think Galbraith has had his time here and I would like to see him replaced. Fantastic player to watch but I don't think he will really help us make a sustained challenge for the league I reckon there are many players that we could realistically sign to replace him. I agree - next seasons team needs to be solid, hardworking, professional and conssitent to win a League Galbraith doesnt fit into that category - I also have no worries about him joining a rival team becasue if he does their professionalism and consistency will drop as a result We dont need a direct replacement for him - we just need a team of focussed players with only one aim from start to finish of the season
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Post by panthermatt on Apr 14, 2011 15:42:44 GMT
With regards to repacing Jade as I understand from reading various posts he is not as many think one of the big wage earners. The question is if we want to replace him with someone who is going to put up point production in the same amount as him then how much are we willing to pay for that and where will we will we have to cut back on to cover the wage cap
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Post by Pies on Apr 14, 2011 15:45:00 GMT
The people who want Jade to stay seem to use the reason that his points production would be extremely hard to replace. Is this really the case? If he was to leave what calibre of player would be needed to replace him? Jade's on a significantly lower wage than people think. According to very reliable sources, he's from a very good background takes a much lower wage to allow us to spend more on other players. As daft as it sounds, he's a loyal guy who is prone to make mistakes but his point production on his wage would be near impossible to replace
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 14, 2011 15:46:55 GMT
I find it hard to believe that he is not on a decent amount. Before he came he he had a very decent ECHL record and 2 good seasons in Germany behind him...
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Post by Pies on Apr 14, 2011 15:48:37 GMT
I find it hard to believe that he is not on a decent amount. Before he came he he had a very decent ECHL record and 2 good seasons in Germany behind him... First year he was on a very good wage but after we re-sgned him after his first not so good year, he showed us some loyalty and took a lower wage (so I have been told, this isn't stone cold fact) simply because we gave him a second chance to prove himself.
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Post by panthermatt on Apr 14, 2011 18:01:56 GMT
So the qestion is if we get rid of jade then who else may we have to not offer a contract to or wage increase to keep them to allow us to sign a player who is going to put up the kind of points that Jade did last season.
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 14, 2011 19:47:56 GMT
So the qestion is if we get rid of jade then who else may we have to not offer a contract to or wage increase to keep them to allow us to sign a player who is going to put up the kind of points that Jade did last season. Any player we release doesnt have to be replaced like for like Getting a lazy and inconsistent player off our squad is my target Other players wont be coming back at the same time We replace them all with an oveall better squad full stop A strong solid team - we already have the key with Kwall as netminder
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Post by Pies on Apr 14, 2011 20:06:39 GMT
Lazy and inconsistent yes but where do you find a player with his hands or jis point output for the same cash? That's the main point. 93 point a season players are rare. Jon pelle is one but who's to say he'd come to us? You may have to take a gamble on an unknown quantity in this league and if were serious about winning the holy grail we need players who know the league inside out.
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Post by panthermatt on Apr 14, 2011 20:10:32 GMT
My point is that to get a player who scores 90+ points next season may come with a lot larger wage requirement than Jade will. If that is the case then for example it may mean not being able to retain Lepine, Bellamy or Ryan and for me those 3 will be key signings. I am not saying that Jade's antics in Belfast are ok but that was a long time ago and is over. Jade has increased his output over the 3 seasons and I honestly believe he has the ability to do so for another season. For me his on ice frustration shows me that he knows he can do better and he does try very hard and think he desrves another chance as he did play a big part in helping the panthers to their most succesfull season in the modern era afterall.
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Post by oldman on Apr 14, 2011 20:22:41 GMT
So we keep him because he is cheap is that it, however I would say given his antics as far the league is concerned he is to costly on the professional ethos front, he had his chance there are better out there, get rid, as for not on good money seems a bit far fetched to me?
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Post by dp on Apr 14, 2011 20:26:25 GMT
If it's so easy to find players who can match Galbraith's output, every single team would have one.
Galbraith has a very special talent - possibly the most talented player I've ever seen at the Panthers - and he does things other players don't even think of doing, let alone execute. Sure he's not perfect, but neither was George Best, neither was Theo Fleury....
You have to accept that people with special talent often come with baggage - but you need them to win things, alongside the grafters and 100%ers. I'm a massive fan of Bellamy, but I reckon he'd be the first to admit that a team full of him wouldn't win the league.
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Post by panthermatt on Apr 14, 2011 20:35:14 GMT
I am not saying keep him because he is cheap. I am saying keep him because I belive he will score 90+ points again next season. The fact that he is 'cheap' means that the Panthers if they recruit correctly can use that extra money to recruit another very experienced player that will add that extra little bit to the team. Here is another example - believe me I am know Man Utd fan or even a Rooney fan but he swore down a TV camerer infront of millions of people sure he took his punishement from the FA and from the club and quite correctly too by the way. Should Man Utd fans be calling for his head for his antics and its not the first time for him by a long distance there was remember the whole issue of him signing for someone else. Of course the fans did not want his head they realise he is a talented individual as is Jade.
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Post by oldman on Apr 14, 2011 21:26:08 GMT
So we forget another league because we cannot do without a guy who gets bladdered during an important game weekend, What message does that say to the rest of the team, how about if jade can get bladdered so can we, as for Rooney do me favour this ileague is about on par with the evo stick league now if he was ovechkin than your comparison would be valid
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 14, 2011 22:50:51 GMT
So we forget another league because we cannot do without a guy who gets bladdered during an important game weekend You are, of course, assuming that keeping Jade would automatically cost us the league. Seems to me that there were quite a few reasons why we failed in our challenge for the league title again this last season - and it was far from being all to do with Jade. I have to confess... personally, I don't know what the right answer is here. Those who say that it is unacceptable for a player to behave in the way Jade apparently has - they're right. Those who say that he's extremely frustrating because it appears he sometimes doesn't want to be bothered - they're also right IMHO. Trouble is... those who say he's an incredibly-talented player, and that we'd be lucky to find a replacement with his skills and points production - let alone one who would cost as little as Jade allegedly does - are also right IMHO. I think we're just going to have to face up to the fact that there is no 'right' answer here. Whatever happens, there is at least the potential for losing out in some way. Looks to me like we're just going to have to see what Corey "Two Cups" Neilson and Rick "Bobblehead" Strachan can come up with after (no doubt) sitting down and having a chat with Mr Galbraith himself.
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Post by bill238 on Apr 14, 2011 23:00:56 GMT
So we forget another league because we cannot do without a guy who gets bladdered during an important game weekend You are, of course, assuming that keeping Jade would automatically cost us the league. Seems to me that there were quite a few reasons why we failed in our challenge for the league title again this last season - and it was far from being all to do with Jade. I have to confess... personally, I don't know what the right answer is here. Those who say that it is unacceptable for a player to behave in the way Jade apparently has - they're right. Those who say that he's extremely frustrating because it appears he sometimes doesn't want to be bothered - they're also right IMHO. Trouble is... those who say he's an incredibly-talented player, and that we'd be lucky to find a replacement with his skills and points production - let alone one who would cost as little as Jade allegedly does - are also right IMHO. I think we're just going to have to face up to the fact that there is no 'right' answer here. Whatever happens, there is at least the potential for losing out in some way. Looks to me like we're just going to have to see what Corey "Two Cups" Neilson and Rick "Bobblehead" Strachan can come up with after (no doubt) sitting down and having a chat with Mr Galbraith himself. +1, i'm really 50/50 over jade because as you put it there are postives and negatives about him. Whatever happens there will be some very dissapointed fans
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 15, 2011 8:05:16 GMT
It is an interesting debate on Jade and he really does seem to split opinion.
I don't buy the talk of him being irreplaceable and I don't think he will be playing for us as a favour.
Just for examples I will have a quick look to see if I can find any players that could be capable of a similar points tally, potentially available for next season and in the same ball park as Galbraith wage wise (all guess work of course).
As with any player you never know if they fancy a year in England until you ask. The selling points are obvious, the salary might not be as high as in mainland Europe but you will get a car, decent accommodation, play for the biggest team in the league in a nice arena with good facilities and have a more than decent chance of some silverware...
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 15, 2011 8:36:38 GMT
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Post by oldman on Apr 15, 2011 15:18:37 GMT
So we forget another league because we cannot do without a guy who gets bladdered during an important game weekend You are, of course, assuming that keeping Jade would automatically cost us the league. Seems to me that there were quite a few reasons why we failed in our challenge for the league title again this last season - and it was far from being all to do with Jade. I have to confess... personally, I don't know what the right answer is here. Those who say that it is unacceptable for a player to behave in the way Jade apparently has - they're right. Those who say that he's extremely frustrating because it appears he sometimes doesn't want to be bothered - they're also right IMHO. Trouble is... those who say he's an incredibly-talented player, and that we'd be lucky to find a replacement with his skills and points production - let alone one who would cost as little as Jade allegedly does - are also right IMHO. I think we're just going to have to face up to the fact that there is no 'right' answer here. Whatever happens, there is at least the potential for losing out in some way. Looks to me like we're just going to have to see what Corey "Two Cups" Neilson and Rick "Bobblehead" Strachan can come up with after (no doubt) sitting down and having a chat with Mr Galbraith himself. You are assuming you know what I was thinking based on one bit of a longer post! So to make it clear if we have a guy who acts like a loose cannon on too many occasions as Jade did and will no doubt do again, what would that say to any new guys or some of the brits? For me it would say the Panthers org or Coach are not very professional if they tolerated this and also after they allow this guy to act like this they then welcome him back with open arms. Some might just think heck why dont we just enjoy ourselves as well we dont need to toe the line for this coach or even bust a gut on the ice! Now tell me does that create a league winning ethos for us. It seems to me some are scared that we cannot replace him why do we need to replace him like for like, we could get other guys in who may not have the hands, but a dam sight better work ethic and be putting up the points in a different way. Also judging by the comments on here if Jade is on low money he should put in for a massive rise seeing as we cannot do without him it seems !
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