Galbraith - release him or keep him ?

[Heanor Lair]

Interesting that most voters would like him to go. I think that reflects perhaps that many a fan doesnt like his attitude.

Brendan Cook to replace him perhaps next season - he was after all going to come to us, but Neilson had completed his roster at the time and recommended to Bruce Richardson that he sign him up.

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[SURF96]

Keep him.
The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
Imagine Jade at the Blaze under Thommo. If Thommo was to get him to toe the line he'd be awesome, playing against us.
I also think people misinterpret lack of points and a presence in games with the oppositions tactics of marking him out of the game. At the POs he couldn't move without two opposition players shadowing him, taking him out the game, the same happened in a number of league games I saw.

[Pies]

Jade will be back next year and will do his utmost to help us win the league. Watch this space.

[sanjosefan]

Tough one to call, his off the ice antics maybe frowned upon by the fans but what Galbraith does in his own time is up to Galbraith. As long as he delivers to goods on the ice who should care?

Using Pete W's site his achieved 266Pt's in 186 games 76+190. averaging 1.4 point per game. I'd rather have Galbraith's creativeness and offensive flair on the team I'm supporting than against the team I'm supporting.

His been a big part in the success of the two challenge cups and playoff success in his three yr stay in the Lace City.

[NickThePanther44]

I'm going to jump in with the keep him crowd.

[texpef]

Apr 10, 2011 22:42:48 GMT @sanjosefan said:

Tough one to call, his off the ice antics maybe frowned upon by the fans but what Galbraith does in his own time is up to Galbraith. As long as he delivers to goods on the ice who should care?

Using Pete W's site his achieved 266Pt's in 186 games 76+190. averaging 1.4 point per game. I'd rather have Galbraith's creativeness and offensive flair on the team I'm supporting than against the team I'm supporting.

His been a big part in the success of the two challenge cups and playoff success in his three yr stay in the Lace City.

It was the way about his "off the ice" antics that bothered alot. We had just won in overtime in belfast and had another vital league game the following evening and rather than prepare himself for what would have best the best weekend resultswise in NI he got absolutely hammered and we lost with one of the worst results of the season. Now tell me his behaviour didnt affect that result when a more professional approach would have been called for...

[ellyjay]

Apr 11, 2011 7:05:01 GMT texpef said:

Apr 10, 2011 22:42:48 GMT @sanjosefan said:

Tough one to call, his off the ice antics maybe frowned upon by the fans but what Galbraith does in his own time is up to Galbraith. As long as he delivers to goods on the ice who should care?

Using Pete W's site his achieved 266Pt's in 186 games 76+190. averaging 1.4 point per game. I'd rather have Galbraith's creativeness and offensive flair on the team I'm supporting than against the team I'm supporting.

His been a big part in the success of the two challenge cups and playoff success in his three yr stay in the Lace City.

It was the way about his "off the ice" antics that bothered alot. We had just won in overtime in belfast and had another vital league game the following evening and rather than prepare himself for what would have best the best weekend resultswise in NI he got absolutely hammered and we lost with one of the worst results of the season. Now tell me his behaviour didnt affect that result when a more professional approach would have been called for...

Was it his choice to sit on the bench for the whole game? No. I would have had him on the ice doing double shifts, not opening the gate for punishment!

[Mythosman]

Apr 10, 2011 20:08:15 GMT SURF96 said:

Keep him.
The alternative doesn't bear thinking about.
Imagine Jade at the Blaze under Thommo. If Thommo was to get him to toe the line he'd be awesome, playing against us.
I also think people misinterpret lack of points and a presence in games with the oppositions tactics of marking him out of the game. At the POs he couldn't move without two opposition players shadowing him, taking him out the game, the same happened in a number of league games I saw.

Re-signing a player just to stop some other club from signing him is IMHO naive and totally unjustifiable.

If he ends up signing for the Coventry fans or the Dingles, so what? There is a way to nullify his influence on a game, as many of the better teams have discovered - hit him hard during his first couple of shifts, and he loses both focus and interest. Follow this up with tight man-to-man marking, and he gets totally frustrated, concentrating his energies on smashing sticks on the boards and chuntering at his team-mates - simples!

[muppitz]

Keep him.
Top points scorer this year is a stat you can't argue with and until we're all fully qualified officials who are we to say whether or not he deserves the assist points he goes chasing up?
One day when we've all forgotten about his drunken indiscretion(s) all that will stand is his record.

I agree that sometimes the effort doesn't seem to be there but I see him being angry at himself on those days, it's all over his face if he's had a bad shift when he comes back to the bench, so at least he knows it too.
I'd rather have him unpredictable than not at all.

[Mythosman]

Being the sad statto I am, out of interest, I've just checked Jade's stats for the season - overall, an impressive 93 points (28+65) from 56 games, at an average of 1.66 points per game - only bettered by Jon Pelle.

Digging a bit deeper however, I discovered that he scored 51 (i.e. 54.8%) of these points (18+33) in 21 games against the bottom 4 clubs (Edinburgh 4+14); Newcastle (3+9); Hull (4+4) and Dundee (7+6) - i.e. 64.3% of his goals and 50.8% of his assists, at an average of 2.43 points per game.

Therefore, against the other 5 clubs, he managed 42 points (10+32) in 35 games, at an average of 1.2 points per game.

Not saying this proves anything particularly, but it certainly confirms my view that he always seemed to try a little harder when there was a prospect of easier points available against the weaker teams.

[Pies]

Apr 11, 2011 8:30:44 GMT Mythosman said:

Being the sad statto I am, out of interest, I've just checked Jade's stats for the season - overall, an impressive 93 points (28+65) from 56 games, at an average of 1.66 points per game - only bettered by Jon Pelle.

Digging a bit deeper however, I discovered that he scored 51 (i.e. 54.8%) of these points (18+33) in 21 games against the bottom 4 clubs (Edinburgh 4+14); Newcastle (3+9); Hull (4+4) and Dundee (7+6) - i.e. 64.3% of his goals and 50.8% of his assists, at an average of 2.43 points per game.

Therefore, against the other 5 clubs, he managed 42 points (10+32) in 35 games, at an average of 1.2 points per game.

Not saying this proves anything particularly, but it certainly confirms my view that he always seemed to try a little harder when there was a prospect of easier points available against the weaker teams.

It may not be a case of trying any harder - simply it's easier to pick up points against the bottom 4 than the top teams. I am 99% sure every player in the leagues stats would reflect that. And crucially, this is the main problem with statistics - very easy to influence them into proving your point (Not saying you have, just with anything!)

[Yotes]

The Elite League assist is the most worthless statistic in hockey. Galbraith's may all be good, but unfortunately for him those numbers, from any player in our league, require a mountain of salt.

Personally I'd let him go, I don't think being a good player should give you carte blanche to act as you like and break the rules laid down by the team.

[OwenB]

Apr 11, 2011 8:30:44 GMT Mythosman said:

Being the sad statto I am, out of interest, I've just checked Jade's stats for the season - overall, an impressive 93 points (28+65) from 56 games, at an average of 1.66 points per game - only bettered by Jon Pelle.

Digging a bit deeper however, I discovered that he scored 51 (i.e. 54.8%) of these points (18+33) in 21 games against the bottom 4 clubs (Edinburgh 4+14); Newcastle (3+9); Hull (4+4) and Dundee (7+6) - i.e. 64.3% of his goals and 50.8% of his assists, at an average of 2.43 points per game.

Therefore, against the other 5 clubs, he managed 42 points (10+32) in 35 games, at an average of 1.2 points per game.

Not saying this proves anything particularly, but it certainly confirms my view that he always seemed to try a little harder when there was a prospect of easier points available against the weaker teams.

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment though, Jade leads the team in game-winning-goals. He has 8 by my reckoning, including the Challenge Cup winning goal in Belfast (DAB is second with 6, Ryan next with 4). He also scored or assisted on every goal over the two legs of that cup final.

[sanjosefan]

Apr 11, 2011 7:05:01 GMT texpef said:

Apr 10, 2011 22:42:48 GMT @sanjosefan said:

Tough one to call, his off the ice antics maybe frowned upon by the fans but what Galbraith does in his own time is up to Galbraith. As long as he delivers to goods on the ice who should care?

Using Pete W's site his achieved 266Pt's in 186 games 76+190. averaging 1.4 point per game. I'd rather have Galbraith's creativeness and offensive flair on the team I'm supporting than against the team I'm supporting.

His been a big part in the success of the two challenge cups and playoff success in his three yr stay in the Lace City.

It was the way about his "off the ice" antics that bothered alot. We had just won in overtime in belfast and had another vital league game the following evening and rather than prepare himself for what would have best the best weekend resultswise in NI he got absolutely hammered and we lost with one of the worst results of the season. Now tell me his behaviour didnt affect that result when a more professional approach would have been called for...

I think your mixing work with leisure Tex. Galbraith would've known it was a double header in Belfast, therefore he knew he was on a team road trip knowing he was effectively working for the duration of the stay in Belfast, if the management knew about his antics and where he was don't you think Moran or Neilson would've gotten Galbraith and taken him back to the team hotel. Galbraith won't be the last person in history to turn up to with a hangover I expect many posters on the cage have gone to work a little worse for ware the next day. As for the punishment benching him was an easy option IMO making him double shift and putting him on a PK unit may have been a better punishment. I think the Panthers took the easy option in benching him. I don't think you can souly put the result down to Galbraith, why not blame the D for allowing the Giants to much time in our zone, why not blame the other forwards for not using alternative methods of creating offense, K-Wall did himself no favors allowing 7 goals hockeys a team game one player shouldn't be made a scapegoat for the result it was a bad day for all concerned.

[rach09]

See tweet from a woman who works for panthers emmavictoria16 who says she has seen jade and it is "very possible" he will be back next season!

[Pies]

Apr 11, 2011 12:11:40 GMT rach09 said:

See tweet from a woman who works for panthers emmavictoria16 who says she has seen jade and it is "very possible" he will be back next season!

That tweet was to me - I feel like I'm being stalked !

[pantherdman]

Would have been nice for him to have appologised to the fans for the Belfast disgrace.

Ho hum, in Corey we trust.

[rach09]

It was retweeted by Owen Bradley who must be following her as well. I'm a bit new to this tweeting lark so not sure I've worked out how it all works!

[Pies]

Apr 11, 2011 12:31:16 GMT rach09 said:

It was retweeted by Owen Bradley who must be following her as well. I'm a bit new to this tweeting lark so not sure I've worked out how it all works!

I agree it's all very confusing - I forget people can see the tweets and retweet them. They do work together on Panthers related stuff!

[Johnny 5]

Keep him!
But for gods sake shut the critics up and show 100% every game. It's the only way.

[oldman]

ok cold hard facts or my opinions because it is like an apologists convention in here!

We had it was Cory's fault in Belfast for not stopping him getting bladdered or not dragging him out of the pub, how does that square with he is supposed to act in a professional manner the responsibilty for that was Jade's alone.

We had dont single out Jade for the hammering in Belfast well lets see what atmosphere do you think surrounded the team after Jade and Mcdonalds booze up, do you think this added to the positive thinking or not, or maybe the dressing may have been like a war zone for that game, but hey not Jades fault was it?

So frankly does his work on the ice excuse his antics off it, NO

Should be treated differently than the rest of the team, NO

If he is allowed to act this way every season and it is every season he has screwed up during the season how long before the rest follow suit.

Would he be allowed to act like this with a strong coach and with decent management, NO

Is he the only player of similar quality that we can attract, NO

He is a bad influence in the dressing room and in the club as a whole, and as a role model for younger players he sucks.

Personally I dont care if he goes to the dingles or anywhere else let them have the problem, we might just sign a better player with a far more professional outlook to the job he is paid for.

The last clincher for me is we get rid of the awful cringeworthy song for dyslexics, Hay Jade

The cold hard fact is we should not be discussing this, he should have gone the monday after the Belfast Weekender, with the dingles and Thomo he would have but hey they win titles with professional team ethics, not come to Nottingham on a paid jollie.

[iginla]

The cold hard fact is that if Galbraith comes back then several of last seasons team won't !!!!

And Corey knows that.

[pantherman66]

Name names iginla

[Dan]

Apr 11, 2011 20:59:02 GMT iginla said:

The cold hard fact is that if Galbraith comes back then several of last seasons team won't !!!!

And Corey knows that.

Is that really a 'fact' though?

[Shorty]

Apr 11, 2011 20:59:02 GMT iginla said:

The cold hard fact is that if Galbraith comes back then several of last seasons team won't !!!!

And Corey knows that.

The same gets said every year about Corey.

The only ones that I can see that remotely might be true about is Heerema, Tcachuk and Beuaregard.