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Post by Bagheera on Sept 13, 2009 17:20:40 GMT
Does anybody no what time face off will be on boxing day? Our web site has no time with the fixture but sheffields says 7pm! Seams late for a boxing day to me but it is a sataday! Or Sheffield just asuming it's the same as any other sat?
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Post by Higgy on Sept 13, 2009 19:21:42 GMT
I would guess 3pm like it was last time we were at home i think
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Post by Robbie Nud on Sept 14, 2009 13:59:05 GMT
7pm would suit me as then wouldn't have rush back from Norfolk to get to the game.
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Post by Helen B on Sept 14, 2009 14:05:15 GMT
The face off will be TBA. Don't forget they won't want to clash with the football.
It'll be 7pm on the Steelers site because they will have just put it in for now as normally Saturdays are 7pm, but we know Boxing Day is always different.
Personally I like Boxing Day games to Face Off at 1pm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 14:07:24 GMT
Hope not!!
Id prefer it around 5pm
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Post by dms41853 on Sept 14, 2009 14:10:11 GMT
well as long as it suits you pidge
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 14:21:32 GMT
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Post by toby2003 on Sept 14, 2009 14:30:51 GMT
I'm sorry.. a thread about boxing day face off in september.....
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Post by LUFC on Sept 14, 2009 18:51:52 GMT
I'm sorry.. a thread about boxing day face off in september..... It's called FORWARD planning/thinking, it's helpful and to most busy people with jobs, business to run or families to look after. Also thinking about it, it is very good practice.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Sept 14, 2009 19:33:29 GMT
I'm sorry.. a thread about boxing day face off in september..... May be some people have OCD's and have to arrange their lives well in advance. Whatever reason it's good for everyone to know what time the face off, there may be other reasons, football matches, meeting familes etc. It seems ok to think about the new season just after the play offs have finished.
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Post by panthers4ever on Sept 15, 2009 5:42:48 GMT
Just a guess but I think it willl be around 4PM
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Post by Bagheera on Sept 15, 2009 9:58:13 GMT
I have the misfortune of being a retail manager. So planning for christmas is well under way!
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Post by panthermatt23 on Sept 15, 2009 16:12:03 GMT
any idea when the tickets will go on sale at sheff
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Post by Helen B on Sept 16, 2009 9:24:27 GMT
any idea when the tickets will go on sale at sheff Erm.... the boxing day game is at the NIC, so probably 1 month before. Tickets for 27th December in Sheffield are already on sale.
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Post by Helen B on Sept 16, 2009 21:02:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 21:16:46 GMT
Hope not!! Id prefer it around 5pm ;D
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Post by KimThePanther on Sept 16, 2009 21:50:55 GMT
Tickets for 27th December in Sheffield are already on sale. Given demand for the first two Steelers games this season I'd better hurry up and book my ticket.
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Post by LUFC on Sept 16, 2009 23:50:05 GMT
Ohhh kim kim kim!
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Post by pantherinmanc on Sept 17, 2009 9:34:50 GMT
A huge crowd of 2515 there for the Belfast game. Oh dear oh dear.
A little worried by an article on the stir site which contains the sentence "It is a new and encouraging dialogue with the city fathers as Steelers seek information on whether the Arena really does want to keep Britain's best ice hockey brand inside their doors"
I would prefer it if we stayed at the NIC, Panthers playing at the tin shed wouldn't really work would it. Unless that's not what they mean? I mean they do say 'Britain's best ice hockey brand'. Not sure how you would measure that. Steelers could legitimately be tagged Britain's best ice hockey team, granted, as hard a pill as it is to swallow they are reigning play off and league champs so can go for that, but best brand? Don't make me laugh.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 17, 2009 12:30:27 GMT
A huge crowd of 2515 there for the Belfast game. Oh dear oh dear. One of my Steelers friends said that he thought the attendance for that game was 2000-something... to my shame, I didn't believe him - I didn't honestly believe that it would be that low. I must apologise to him later... My dislike for the Steelers aside... that is VERY bad news. Thsi sport as a whole cannot afford to be hemor... haemorr... dammit! - BLEEDING fans away like that. In the long term, it's nothing but bad. Methinks the Steelers should pull their heads out of their backsides, ditch all the crap they keep dishing out (which obviously does NOT attract fans!) and get to work on boosting their attendances. Ah, just the same old PR spin... like the "biggest rivalry in Europe" dreck.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Sept 17, 2009 14:46:22 GMT
I have to say I agree, as much as my previous comments suggest otherwise it's not something I really want to see (but it's hard not to afford a quick chuckle at them lot up the road isn't it).
But it has to be said that it's not a new or isolated problem is it. 1851 at the MRA on Sunday for what is one of the 'bigger' games on the Viper's schedule. The fact remains that the only club that is truly a well oiled, continually growing, viable business is our very own Panthers. That's not to say we have it cracked, far from it, the Panthers could improve on several fronts, and indeed could learn an awful lot from the off ice operations at the likes of the Vipers. The game highlights that Vipers put on you tube are superb, their website is infinitely better than ours (when was the last time a properly formatted, spell checked article appeared on our site?).
I made comments in the BIHFA survey along the lines that ice hockey is just a playground for moderately wealthy businessmen and amateur enthusiasts. I remain 100% convinced that this is the case, even in the case of Panthers. Gary Moran claims he is so busy he hardly has time to take a break. Really? what is he doing then? I don't doubt that he is that busy but I also believe that the inefficiency with which these clubs are being run could be reversed. They are being run not as businesses but as hobbies. Apparently 100k leaflets were handed out pre-season. Not one of my family saw a single leaflet and they (my family) are scattered across Notts. I have never seen anyone from Panthers trying to get the word out before or after Forest/County games yet those I have brought into the Panthers fold from those backgrounds are converts and regular attendees - but why should I need to do that, why are the club not bringing them in. It's not difficult, circa 20k and 8k guaranteed sports fans in one place at one time, your target audience, get out there and tell them! Same with Vipers, roughly 100k at the big football clubs in that area on a weekly basis, are you genuinely telling me 5% of them cannot be interested in the hockey? And they are just the ones that go to games, what about those that don't and can't afford to, hockey is a much cheaper alternative.
It sends me insane and it's alright saying this is just a moan, well yes it is, but what can I do to change it, I am not going to print up a load of leaflets and go flyering down at Forest of a Saturday, i'm not paid to do that, the GM is.
I don't mean it to sound like a rant directed at GM, who I know does put in a lot of effort, but if Panthers changed their closed door policy to new ideas they might reap some benefit. We can afford to pay for extra imports when we have a guy out injured, we can afford to pay for nice homes and cars for our players yet we can't afford to pay for some marketing? Give me a break. You have to speculate to accumulate.
I think that is the issue with the whole of British Ice Hockey, it's a group of guys 'living the dream' that don't really have a clue about business, furthermore they are not interested in swallowing some pride and letting go of at least some of the reigns to get some support. I see no reason why Panthers shouldn't be attracting 6k a week, genuinely, we have the tools there to get the attendance up but i'm not sure, despite all the talk, that the club has the will or the knowledge to take the steps that would see that become a reality.
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Post by focus12 on Sept 17, 2009 17:33:35 GMT
Jolly good post pantherinmanc. I also made comments that the whole shebang needs a shake up.
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Post by dp on Sept 17, 2009 18:15:16 GMT
Spot on Pantherinmanc.
But there's a reason these people end up working in ice hockey, where there's very little money to be made. They're not massively successful businessmen who just fancy working in hockey because it's a charity. They're estate agents who can spare enough time to wind up opposition fans on forums...which says a lot about how busy they are as estate agents.
People like Dave Simms have their hands around the throats of the game in this country, and it's people like them who are making it fail.
To be fair to GM, I live round the corner from him and it's obvious that a: he works flippin' hard and b. he's not making much money from all his work.
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Post by dms41853 on Sept 17, 2009 19:35:58 GMT
Spot on Pantherinmanc. But there's a reason these people end up working in ice hockey, where there's very little money to be made. They're not massively successful businessmen who just fancy working in hockey because it's a charity. They're estate agents who can spare enough time to wind up opposition fans on forums...which says a lot about how busy they are as estate agents. People like Dave Simms have their hands around the throats of the game in this country, and it's people like them who are making it fail. To be fair to GM, I live round the corner from him and it's obvious that a: he works flippin' hard and b. he's not making much money from all his work. thats a bit harsh on simmsy tbh. i dont particularly like him but he devotes a lot of time to the sport at club/league/gb level from a media perspective. i dont expect you to like him but to say he has the sport by the throat is a farcial statement. he tries his damned hardest as a press officer... he is not a gm he is not a marketing man therefore it is not his job to get the fans in, its his job to report on the steelers therefore will be biased towards them of course the same way mick holland and the like are towards panthers, his commentating for sky could be better but he does a good enough job for the level its at. the bigger problems are the club owners that have vested interests in more than one club not those that work their spherical objects off trying their best to do what they can.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Sept 18, 2009 7:47:12 GMT
To be honest Spence I agree with your sentiment, as much as I dislike Simms for a lot of what he says and does I do recognise that he does a lot for the sport. He just lets himself down with his bitterness and jealousy towards Panthers and for that he'll never have much of a following in the Nottingham camp. Not sure you can equate him to Mick though, Mick is an ice hockey journalist of some considerable and varied experience, Simms is an ice hockey enthusiast who has been employed by the Steelers for over 15 years (since their inception) and is, to some degree, responsible for putting bums on seats at the tin shed. The problem I have with much of they way Simms goes about that (and to be honest Panthers don't cover themselves in glory here either) is that much of it is built upon being controversial, creating feuds, spats and the ridiculous over hyping of 'the biggest rivalry in European ice hockey' (TM Gary Moran). It's lowest common denominator marketing, it's the same thing the mirror and star base themselves on to name but two - who wants to read about a genuine news story when you can hear about Kerry Katona's latest sensationalised antics. But to take it on a stage further it's not fair to level criticism at DS in isolation, there are several who have a seeming adversity to letting go of their perceived 'power'.
Cheers dp/Auntie B. I think in ref to GM and his application, it cannot be questioned, he works very hard and I have no qualms in saying that, but again my question is doing what? Is he really making the best use of his time to grow Nottingham Panthers as a business and a brand? Are a few radio interviews, conducted by one man and his dicta phone, really the best we can do in terms of pre and post game analysis? Can we really not put a process in to have someone spell check articles before putting them on the website? Can we not source better merchandise (particularly apparel) to generate more profit? I suspect that the real answer is that yes he works very very hard, too hard, because he wont let go of anything. The whole Panthers organisation is a closed shop, offers of assistance (free assistance I might add) in improving the website are batted away in the type of arrogant 'we know best' attitude that epitomises, better than anything I could write, just why the sport will never get off its knees in this country.
Then there is the league itself, but isn't the league actually the same people that i'm criticising above.. well yes it is and therein lies the problem, same closed group, same attitude, same outcome. I fully appreciate and recognise that the league does not have an endless pot of money to pay marketing managers, business consultants and PR staff however some simple structural changes and a degree of transparency would make the world of difference. A clear rule book available through the league website (as is available for nearly every pro league in the world). A clear and defined disciplinary process (5 days on from goings on in Cardiff and no official statement on the EIHL website, not a thing).
The whole thing is a shambles of epic proportions and whilst spending Saturday evenings down at the NIC has become a very enjoyable part of my life I have to separate that 'entertainment' side of the sport from all the things that i've mentioned in this post. It really does infuriate me that something which has the very real potential to be a huge huge deal in the UK (and Ireland, there are people in Dublin who would be VERY interested in locating a team there but would not touch it with a barge pole with the current set up) is stifled and prevented from growing by a mixture of arrogance, misplaced pride and general lack of business acumen.
What a great rant for a Friday morning, time to cheer up I think, bring on the Vipers!
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