Is Rumun Ndur the hardman we were led to believe?

[rhyden]

ive been to all about two home games, and as of yet never seen rumun ndur clearly win a fight ?

[britboy215]

Maybe not the best fighter in the league but in terms of experiance, he has the lot.

I personally enjoy watching Rumun have digs at the opposition off the puck.

If you were to ask me if id swap Rumun for Shmyr....i think i would.

[Carnell]

There is more to Rumans game than fighting as Britboy has said.

Do you really think that Tessier would have thrown a punch at Payette, or Myres, Tessier and others would be getting away with all the dirty play that they get away with off the puck?

[Admin]

This thread asks a valid question.

Hence the re-instatement of the thread after the removal from it of petty squabbles between people who are old enough to know better.

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[ted logan]

I think his best fight was against Big Bad Doug in the Cardiff game; Rumun landed some good clean shots (check the Dave Page photos!!). Apart from that it all seems like a hugfest (especially against Andre) apart from one clear loss - the one where Clouthier landed a clean shot on Rumun. We can only comment based on what we see from the stands and a truer reflection would be from the players who seem happy with his presence on the ice from what i've read/heard previously.

[oldman]

yes he is of course hard enough although it is not evident with his fights yet, i think generally the other guy ties him up for a hugfest before Ndur can land a good one!

[Number 9.1]

I don't doubt that he's a hardman but he's not an entertaining fighter. I liked the idea of Ndur and really wanted him to work out - it's not really happening, though, is it ...

[Yotes]

He's OK, I don't think he's been any better than Ryan was though. Fights tend to be hugfests, but I wouldn't want to get thumped in the face by Ru, or any of the guys he's fighting, so I can't really blame him. Would be nice to see him wallop someone though (preferably Lewis).

[dms41853]

enforcing is not just fighting, i'm a big fan of rumun and granted his fights are not entertaining generally but 2 prime examples of how effective he is are:

1.when he battered maciver ( see dave page pics and you'll see how in control he was)

2. against hull first game of the season ( before he was kicked out) he fought riddle and kerr at once and bossed the hull goons until his game misconduct which i dont believe he would've got if it wasn't for the kozak incident

if we were to see more of that i dont think there would be cause for complaint i just think his general influence and presence is priceless for us

[sambo79]

Dec 8, 2008 14:37:12 GMT @dms41853 said:

enforcing is not just fighting, i'm a big fan of rumun and granted his fights are not entertaining generally but 2 prime examples of how effective he is are:

1.when he battered maciver ( see dave page pics and you'll see how in control he was)

2. against hull first game of the season ( before he was kicked out) he fought riddle and kerr at once and bossed the hull goons until his game misconduct which i dont believe he would've got if it wasn't for the kozak incident

if we were to see more of that i dont think there would be cause for complaint i just think his general influence and presence is priceless for us

It's a fair point and such a subtle effect on the game is often lost on us fans.

[sambo79]

I should have watched the highlights before posting that ^

I can't see any enforcing going on at all. We took two big hits in the first that went unpunished and the roughing on Molin also went unpunished. We also don't clear players away from our NM once the whistle has blown (like Mike Rees used to do).

A hug with Payette doesn't stop opposition bullying us.

[spik]

I have just returned from an overnight shift at work and only just found this thread re-instated. Never knew it had left so unsure of what went on and such...but as a sideline re-fighting. I would rather go to a game and see an enforcer type not just being someone who fights for the sake of it.Theres been too many fights for no real reason at the start of games and I know this is not what I settle down for.Whats it all about?.....

[Rich]

Break it down a bit...

Rumun is a D man, not a bad one at that. His positioning is good, the way he reads the play is good, his outlet passing is good and his hitting is good.
His weakpoint is his speed (very rarely gets caught out with it regardless of what people on here seem to think) and thats really it. He doesnt turn the puck over as much as Corey,Meyers or dare I say Ferrara and he doesnt bring the puck further than hes capable of.

As an enforcer, he installs confidence in his team mates, hits hard and is always in the thick of the action when necessary. The thing most people miss is he will usually hit a guy later in the game if he notices something happening. Just because he doesnt drop the gloves and skate down the ice after someone immediately doesnt mean he hasnt got a guys card marked.

Personally I was worried about him as an enforcer because hes one of 4 D men but speaking to the guys, everyone likes having him around and they feel protected, which surely is the entire point of having an enforcer?

Just because he doesnt please all the fans doesnt mean he isnt doing his job. Im still waiting for the example of an enforcer who completely stops all hitting against his team mates, id love to sign him but he doesnt exist!

He doesnt really hurt that many guys in fights but would you like to upset him? What he does is keep the defence solid and allows everyone to play their game. Richardson,Toneys,Neilson,Myers,Levers,Tess are all agitating players, not having Rumun would mean they would have that bit less confidence. Hes also good with the younger lads too which is good.

[ottawa]

He's not as tough as he thinks/makes out he is. With his recent bout @ the NIC, with Payette, he was apparently heard to mutter ''Can we go down now, as I am tired?''

[sambo79]

Dec 8, 2008 17:41:46 GMT @ottawa said:

He's not as tough as he thinks/makes out he is. With his recent bout @ the NIC, with Payette, he was heard to mutter ''Can we go down now, as I am tired?''

^^^ You mean he asked Andre to go down on him

(I'm highly cycnical this actually happened)

[ottawa]

Fnarr Fnarr...yes he did!

[Mark Mac]

Dec 8, 2008 17:41:46 GMT @ottawa said:

He's not as tough as he thinks/makes out he is. With his recent bout @ the NIC, with Payette, he was heard to mutter ''Can we go down now, as I am tired?''

Haha so who exactly heard him? I am also highly cynical about this claim.

[rhyden]

i agree with rich's comment to a certain extent however i find rumun to become lasy in certain games and let kevin bergin or mark levers enforce and also the rare occasions bergin fights he tends to win

[ted logan]

Dec 8, 2008 22:28:39 GMT rhyden said:

i agree with rich's comment to a certain extent however i find rumun to become lasy in certain games and let kevin bergin or mark levers enforce and also the rare occasions bergin fights he tends to win

Not sure about Levers as an enforcer? Bergin has had a good fight or 2 this season though as you say and certainly put Campbell in his place against Vipers. Apart from that Brucie likes a dig but as an enforcer Rumun is the best we've got. Would have to agree that it's not just about fighting but his presence on the ice that has a positive effect on the team. We have a fair few players that like to wind up the opposition and would maybe think twice about doing so otherwise. Be interesting to see if McIver fancies a brawl with Rumun next time the Devils are at the NIC bearing in mind Rumun sorted him out last time. Rumun v Voth would be an interesting one though.

[ottawa]

Dec 8, 2008 22:09:23 GMT Mark Mac said:

Dec 8, 2008 17:41:46 GMT @ottawa said:

He's not as tough as he thinks/makes out he is. With his recent bout @ the NIC, with Payette, he was heard to mutter ''Can we go down now, as I am tired?''

Haha so who exactly heard him? I am also highly cynical about this claim.

Check your PM's

[texpef]

Ahh come on Tony, spill the beans?

[rhyden]

Dec 8, 2008 23:07:43 GMT ted logan said:

Dec 8, 2008 22:28:39 GMT rhyden said:

i agree with rich's comment to a certain extent however i find rumun to become lasy in certain games and let kevin bergin or mark levers enforce and also the rare occasions bergin fights he tends to win

Not sure about Levers as an enforcer? Bergin has had a good fight or 2 this season though as you say and certainly put Campbell in his place against Vipers. Apart from that Brucie likes a dig but as an enforcer Rumun is the best we've got. Would have to agree that it's not just about fighting but his presence on the ice that has a positive effect on the team. We have a fair few players that like to wind up the opposition and would maybe think twice about doing so otherwise. Be interesting to see if McIver fancies a brawl with Rumun next time the Devils are at the NIC bearing in mind Rumun sorted him out last time. Rumun v Voth would be an interesting one though.

i totally agree with him having a positive effect on the team but he cant do this when hes always in the penalty box, which leads me on to my next point about the amout of penalties he recieves i recall in one particular game him clocking up 20 minutes in penaltys ! one of them including a 10 misconduct penalty, would you agree he needs to be a bit more discreet with his enforcing measures ?

[ted logan]

Dec 9, 2008 16:07:04 GMT rhyden said:

Dec 8, 2008 23:07:43 GMT ted logan said:

Not sure about Levers as an enforcer? Bergin has had a good fight or 2 this season though as you say and certainly put Campbell in his place against Vipers. Apart from that Brucie likes a dig but as an enforcer Rumun is the best we've got. Would have to agree that it's not just about fighting but his presence on the ice that has a positive effect on the team. We have a fair few players that like to wind up the opposition and would maybe think twice about doing so otherwise. Be interesting to see if McIver fancies a brawl with Rumun next time the Devils are at the NIC bearing in mind Rumun sorted him out last time. Rumun v Voth would be an interesting one though.

i totally agree with him having a positive effect on the team but he cant do this when hes always in the penalty box, which leads me on to my next point about the amout of penalties he recieves i recall in one particular game him clocking up 20 minutes in penaltys ! one of them including a 10 misconduct penalty, would you agree he needs to be a bit more discreet with his enforcing measures ?

I'd agree; also early in the season he took to many penalties for abuse of official (one of which was in the match you mention IIRC)which he seems to have eradicated. I've noticed just lately he is more inclined to have a quiet word in somebodys ear which can often work as well (if not better) than simply dropping the gloves and avoids the obligatory skate to the box. Also, if the hugfests with Andre are anything to go by then a quite menacing word or stare will do nicely thanks Rumun ;D

[felix]

Dec 8, 2008 22:28:39 GMT rhyden said:

i agree with rich's comment to a certain extent however i find rumun to become lasy in certain games and let kevin bergin or mark levers enforce and also the rare occasions bergin fights he tends to win

i do indeed agree with you there rhyden but bergin fighting on rare occasions is the exact reson why he would not make a good enforcer although i do take into account the fact that enforcing is not all to do with fighting.

[Cardarelli27]

When Rumun crosses the road, cars have to look both ways