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Post by oldman on Oct 12, 2008 21:39:38 GMT
and those teams have all picked up easy points against basingstoke have they not?, you doom mongers are like rabid dogs waiting for the first bad performance well great you finally got it now confine it to history and move on, by the way cov away odd goal with the enormous help of the stripey so tonight was the first really bad performance since the league opened, i call that not bad or do you prefer were we were this time last season!
Leave out the rose tinted glasses pants comments what next suppose i was happy and clapping as well!
I spent the day in that dump shopping in Meadowhall, great NOT, then paying to be a primary school size seat listening to some loud nutter on a mike giving me a headache, watching hanson be so partial in most of his pens, and you think i am happy get real i am just being realistic ok, we lost one move on and win the next few, right don't need inquests , don't need individual players singling out for mindless criticism, just need to accept that they wanted it more on the night than us
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Post by EMB on Oct 12, 2008 21:40:28 GMT
I don't think 1 single club has a goalie that turns up every single night to be fair, but its not just his fault what happened to the D nowhere to be seen, we were poor tonight infact in the first 5 minutes i said they didn't seem to be clicking, the passing was poor and we looked like a team that did not know each other, we were lucky to be 3-1 up. Steelers wanted it more and it showed they made us look very average and well done to them. It makes us look very good against the smaller teams they let us play but against the bigger teams they show our weaknesses , Steelers man marked us all night and not 1 pass went were it should have, the guys need to watch the video and start seeing were it all goes wrong. Overall we have still only lost 2 games this season we need to move on now and look forward to next weekend.
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Post by DS on Oct 12, 2008 21:49:31 GMT
Oldman, if you dont want rose tinted specs comments dont single me out for my point of view!!
I'm not having ago at the team!! never have if you read my posts just merely stating that tonight is not a way you go about winning a title!!
You can blame the stripey for the defeat in Coventry but the league table doesnt have a colum for games lost due to referees!!
My main concern is the Belfast Giants are looking really good and from a source I trust the Steelers were shocking last night and was expecting 2 points for us!!
I dont care if we lose every game to Steelers if we win the league!!
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 12, 2008 21:51:22 GMT
Ok so it really hurts to have lost again to the Squealers - we cannot win every game, it would be nice if we could - this is the second game we have lost this season in the league - WE HAVE WON NINE - but now it becomes the typical Panthers fans witch hunt - blame Ndur, blame Parley, blame Bergin, - yes we played crap - but it is one game - give the guys a chance to make it up - I am sure they are just as dissapointed as the fans
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 12, 2008 21:55:58 GMT
can anyone tell me why Bruce got a 2+10 for instigating ?? - very poor reffing from Hanson again
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Post by oldman on Oct 12, 2008 21:59:36 GMT
Oldman, if you dont want rose tinted specs comments dont single me out for my point of view!! I'm not having ago at the team!! never have if you read my posts just merely stating that tonight is not a way you go about winning a title!! You can blame the stripey for the defeat in Coventry but the league table doesnt have a colum for games lost due to referees!! My main concern is the Belfast Giants are looking really good and from a source I trust the Steelers were shocking last night and was expecting 2 points for us!! so you don't think the steelers will take it up a notch against us? As for the giants when we get round to playing them we will know how we stack up against them, seemed to me you were dismissing the nine or ten wins as nothing just easy games if not then my bad!
I dont care if we lose every game to Steelers if we win the league!! Glad about that because we lost against but still well placed to give the league a good run in my view!
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Post by mmmbop on Oct 12, 2008 22:01:32 GMT
One final point - have to say I was a bit disappointed that so many Panthers fans decided to leave after the fifth and sixth goals went in. I know there's a rush to get out the car park but imo we should stand by the guys whether they are winning or losing, right til the end. mmmmmm i asked the same question a few weeks ago why panthers fans decide to walk out so early when results don't go their way, ahhh I forget who argued the point with me But you win as a team and you lose as a team. Not the end of the world, ill take our place in the league over sheffs any day!
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Post by DS on Oct 12, 2008 22:06:24 GMT
Posted by oldman on Today at 22:59
Seriously how can you put a comment about the steelers raising their game against us!! Surely the same applies to us raising our game against us!!
I'm concerned about our chances not because it was our 2nd loss!! or a loss to Steelers!! but more the other thins that bothered me!!!
ie, I was concerned about our defence and on the past 2 weekends it seems a legit concern, 6 in Edinburgh and now 10 this weekend.
Was concerned about the amount of penalties taken by Ndur and again he took a bucket load this weekend.
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Oct 12, 2008 22:08:02 GMT
Very rare that I post on this board - but as the current trend is against anyone who does not support Nottingham is not welcome around here, i'll not stay long.
The game on the whole, was as good as the game in Nottingham. Both teams gave everything IMO, and left everything on the ice. That is worth the entrance money every time - and I hope that for the next games against each over, are as good!
As for the Panthers, I think there are no stand-out players per se, but I do see a team unit, each player giving it all to the team cause. Very similar to the Blazer teams that was seen in Sheffield during the 'glory' years.
What I do think you guys needs to change is Parley. After the first game I slated him to friends, but was willing to give the guy another chance to see what he can do. However I was again dissapointed with what he brings to the panthers. He makes 1 or 2 good saves, but does not 'ooze confidence', the sort of confidence that a championship winning defence has. Now it could have been an off night, and for you guys, I hope it was. However if it was not, then some serious questions might possibly be needed to answered by Neilson and his team.
For Sheffield, I still think changes are needed, to get our team back on track. Tonights performance was an opener as to what we can do. If we can do that every night every week then we'll be fine. If we can't then changes are required so we can do.
The fight between Finner and Richardson. Richardson came storming in with a hit fist first, hit Finnerty and the guys went. Finner has the win hands down. The only punches Richardson connected was to Finner's helmet, but an easy win to Finner!!
As a side note, good to see some friends from Nottingham, and hope you all had a safe journey home.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2008 22:08:26 GMT
This may be a bit jumbled but here it goes.
Best team won tonight, there can be no doubt about that, however we let a 3-1 lead slip badly and that can't be good. From what I've seen so far this season we are on fire in attack but we are often found wanting at the back, we're conceeding far too many goals. Ndur for all his enforcing abilities is slow at the back, he was getting beaten for speed on countless occasions tonight. Now, if someone had of said we'd reach mid October with two losses I'd have snapped their hand off. We're still challenging and there's a long way to go. Hopefully this will be a kick up the backside that the team needs and we can move on. For once we have a team in every sense of the word, we're not going to win every game but we can do without performances like tonight despite the effort we put in.
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Post by Helen B on Oct 12, 2008 22:10:35 GMT
Not the end of the world, ill take our place in the league over sheffs any day! What right behind you? Yes we are still 5 points behind, but we have played 2 games less. Yes I know points on the board are better but still the opportunity is still there. Great game tonight, loved every second of it, even when we were 3-1 down. This afternoon I was convinced that we were in for a beating, I'm glad I was proved wrong. As for the argument over some games being more important that others.... that talk will not win you a Championship. If you want that holy grail, then every single game carries the same importance. Start thinking like that and the championship will come your way.
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Post by Higgy on Oct 12, 2008 22:12:40 GMT
Panthers just didnt turn up tonight but i hope it was just an off night. Even at 3-1 up we never looked good, in fact i wasnt quite sure how we were 3-1 as we had played so badly. We gave away far far too many penalties tonight and were punished for it.
The team in general looked lethagic, tired and just a step behind the Steelers all night. We never seemed to have anyone to pass to when we got into their zone and time after time just lost the puck too easily. The last 2 goals were down to calamitous defending.
But i must say Robert Dowd was excellent tonight, his second goal was a beauty
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Post by mmmbop on Oct 12, 2008 22:16:50 GMT
Not the end of the world, ill take our place in the league over sheffs any day! What right behind you? Yes we are still 5 points behind, but we have played 2 games less. Yes I know points on the board are better but still the opportunity is still there. Great game tonight, loved every second of it, even when we were 3-1 down. This afternoon I was convinced that we were in for a beating, I'm glad I was proved wrong. As for the argument over some games being more important that others.... that talk will not win you a Championship. If you want that holy grail, then every single game carries the same importance. Start thinking like that and the championship will come your way. Ill take points in the bag everytime. In fact ill make a promise, if we finish this season below you on points then I will buy you a drink of your choice! I know Jono and ill tell him next game. Am sure my drink money will be safe
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Post by Helen B on Oct 12, 2008 22:18:36 GMT
What right behind you? Yes we are still 5 points behind, but we have played 2 games less. Yes I know points on the board are better but still the opportunity is still there. Great game tonight, loved every second of it, even when we were 3-1 down. This afternoon I was convinced that we were in for a beating, I'm glad I was proved wrong. As for the argument over some games being more important that others.... that talk will not win you a Championship. If you want that holy grail, then every single game carries the same importance. Start thinking like that and the championship will come your way. Ill take points in the bag everytime. In fact ill make a promise, if we finish this season below you on points then I will buy you a drink of your choice! I know Jono and ill tell him next game. Am sure my drink money will be safe Sounds like a fair promise. I'll be thinking about my drink for the next few months then ;D
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 12, 2008 22:35:45 GMT
Add Moray 'I ruin every game I referee' Hanson to that and you've hit the nail on the head. Have always thought he was by far and away the worst ref in the league and seen nothing to change my mind tonight. Wholly inconsistent, calls gluts of pens then ignores for large chunks, positions himself in some bizarre places when watching play, when he's not just looking elsewhere that is.
One final word, Mr Simms, we all know you love the sound of your own voice but surely even the squealers get fed up of your whining tones that are about as far away from being the NHL announcer you so dearly want to be. The sooner he realises that the EIHL isn't all about him the better, they guy is a silly person of the very very highest order.
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Post by iginla on Oct 12, 2008 22:46:14 GMT
That whole game was pants,both sides were poor,but the better team won. Little passion,no atmosphere,no emotion,in fact on the whole a very poor advert for british ice hockey. Steelers wont win the league with that team and neither will panthers unless we make at least one change to the line up.Parley is solid enough,the defence is lacking though. For me,sorry Rumun your a great enforcer but a poor d man that is costing us goals with a lack of speed and too many silly penalties. Change him for a good solid d man who is big tough and can fight. The other concern for me is Galbraith,obviously a good player but lazy,sloppy and seems very disinterested at times. Needs a huge kick up the backside and told to either start playing a 110 per cent or your on your bike mate !
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Post by Rich on Oct 12, 2008 22:49:21 GMT
I know all the happy clappers and anyone who didnt go to the game wont be bothered but the way we played tonight was concerning. The points are not the end of the world, but we didnt get out of our own zone in the third. Instead of throwing everything at them to get the game back, we did nothing. It was nothing short of garbage and Corey has got to earn his corn now. Not because of one game, not because of one period but because our way of playing was well and truly found out. As with Ellis, there was no plan B, just continous banging their head against a brick wall. All our systems failed, we were out-hustled, out played and out thought by a team who started the day way behind us and were beaten last night. If anyone can seriously sit there and not realise the problem then you need to think of the bigger picture. With the way sheffield played tonight it could have been an EPL team out there and we would not have broken them down. Now, any other coaches who were at the game or will see the video can make a solid game plan to stop us, which is the concern. If we can come up with a better way of doing things we will be fine, we are in a good position but we need to understand we have been "sussed". Its not doom and gloom but I feel robbed for the time and money I put into going tonight. Luckily last night was so good, I can take it as a good weekend following the team though
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Post by Cliffy94 on Oct 12, 2008 22:49:37 GMT
Add Moray 'I ruin every game I referee' Hanson to that and you've hit the nail on the head. Have always thought he was by far and away the worst ref in the league and seen nothing to change my mind tonight. Wholly inconsistent, calls gluts of pens then ignores for large chunks, positions himself in some bizarre places when watching play, when he's not just looking elsewhere that is. One final word, Mr Simms, we all know you love the sound of your own voice but surely even the squealers get fed up of your whining tones that are about as far away from being the NHL announcer you so dearly want to be. The sooner he realises that the EIHL isn't all about him the better, they guy is a silly person of the very very highest order. oooh touchy! whats up them sour grapes not taste good?! yes simms is annoying but hes no worse than Gary Moron!
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Post by Lucy on Oct 12, 2008 22:49:58 GMT
Hugely disappointed tonight - very poor display by all our guys, and not one of them deserved a man of the match award.
Still don't rate Ndur - I'm not impressed with him on the ice, and he's getting penalties at crucial points in the game.
We all have off days, and this for sure was a Panthers off day. We've only lost two games this season - there's a long way to go and I for sure have no intention of writing them off yet!
Anyway - we're always more upset when the Steelers beat us ;D
Roll on next weekend!
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 12, 2008 22:56:03 GMT
Add Moray 'I ruin every game I referee' Hanson to that and you've hit the nail on the head. Have always thought he was by far and away the worst ref in the league and seen nothing to change my mind tonight. Wholly inconsistent, calls gluts of pens then ignores for large chunks, positions himself in some bizarre places when watching play, when he's not just looking elsewhere that is. One final word, Mr Simms, we all know you love the sound of your own voice but surely even the squealers get fed up of your whining tones that are about as far away from being the NHL announcer you so dearly want to be. The sooner he realises that the EIHL isn't all about him the better, they guy is a silly person of the very very highest order. oooh touchy! whats up them sour grapes not taste good?! yes simms is annoying but hes no worse than Gary Moron! Not at all, the best team won tonight, and fair play to you. There are no sour grapes, nothing to be sour about, we were awful and deserved to lose. Would hate Simms whatever team he attached himself to, he's an a-hole and does not do the sport any good at all. Yes GM may not be much better, but he doesn't plaster himself across the media and spend every home Panthers game hogging the airwaves does he? Simms is a joke and is one of (one of many) reasons that British Ice Hockey is not expanding at the rate it should. My views on Hanson have been given on many occasions, to the man himself more than once. Watched him ref at least 3 games that didn't involve Panthers or Squealers and he was dreadful in those as well, would take Carson over MH any day.
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Post by Rich on Oct 12, 2008 22:59:37 GMT
PS every single guy bar Molin had their worst games tonight! Cook might aswell bring the puck forward and just give it their D men, Ferrara would not make a good D man at rec level,Galbraith is disappointing, Ndur had an off day, Toneys wasnt his usually reliable self, Corey is awesome on the PP but was stood barking orders to guys when he was at fault, Tess was silent, Richardson could not control the puck, Bergin was poor, Myers had an off night, Parley will want a couple of the goals back (although he had a great first period),Lacko was bad,Levers turned the puck over continueosly, Meyers was ok.
My MOM would have been woolhouse for not hurting the team, some guy near me gave it Clarkie, tough call! Its easy to blame the ref but it was like someone was playing a practical joke and had the puck on a string and keeping it off our guys sticks!
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Post by Yotes on Oct 12, 2008 23:00:11 GMT
One final word, Mr Simms, we all know you love the sound of your own voice but surely even the squealers get fed up of your whining tones that are about as far away from being the NHL announcer you so dearly want to be. The sooner he realises that the EIHL isn't all about him the better, they guy is a silly person of the very very highest order. oooh touchy! whats up them sour grapes not taste good?! yes simms is annoying but hes no worse than Gary Moron! Except that you're not forced to listen to Gary for 3 hours are you? I never fail to leave the Tin Dump with a headache, the guy never shuts up. How you lot put up with that every game for an entire season, you deserve medals. The game on the whole, was as good as the game in Nottingham. Both teams gave everything IMO, and left everything on the ice. That is worth the entrance money every time - and I hope that for the next games against each over, are as good! Must've been watching a different game to me Big Dave, cos Panthers were hopeless tonight, easily the worst I've seen them this season.
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Post by Number 9.1 on Oct 12, 2008 23:02:27 GMT
... just need to accept that they wanted it more on the night than us And how is that acceptable, exactly? Firstly, I wasn't there tonight but a couple of thoughts on some of the comments coming out of the thread: 1. Our passing has been poor all season, in my view. We've seen a number of slick routines but on the whole - and very surprisingly, considering some of the talent we have - it's not nearly up to scratch. 2. I'm still undecided about Parley but he certainly makes his share of mistakes. I'd probably rather he got a chance to make them away in Hull though in preferences to dropping him to fulfil a wreckless commitment to his back-up. 3. Even I'm surprised to see so many people turning on individual players on the basis of one result against a decent side on the road. I don't agree that it's a result that we should just forget about and move on but I don't think either that it's a final-decison-making scenario. 4. It's easy to forget/overlook/whatever that Steelers were probably the better side when we faced them at home a few weeks back and I think they'll have a good season. We have high expectations of our team this year and that's as it should be but confident title-talk (and potential derailment of title aspirations talk) is largely cobblers.
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Post by Walter on Oct 12, 2008 23:02:59 GMT
We were poor tonight. One final point - have to say I was a bit disappointed that so many Panthers fans decided to leave after the fifth and sixth goals went in. I know there's a rush to get out the car park but imo we should stand by the guys whether they are winning or losing, right til the end. I cannot speak for every one else, I for one would have left early even if we were winning, for three good reasons . 1 I don't want to get caught in traffic. 2 I find the rush at the end of a game a daunting task, as I move so slowly after being sat in the seats (He says laughingly) that the Tin Shed supply, MORE LEG ROOM GUYS DUH!. I have to say I also noticed one or two other disabled people from both sets of fans leaving early for same reason. And finally the best reason of all 3. I had left my medication in the car, WHAT A TWONK. OK TooToo perhaps we should show a little more solidarity, but not everyone has the luxury of being able to dodge and weaver about, through crowds at the end of a game. The other alternative is to wait until the Arena clears(which I do most times when at home games), which sometimes can be up to half an hour later, I suppose this will sound like a dig, it's not intended to be, and I am sorry if it sounds that way. Some of the fans that were leaving do have genuine reasons for leaving early. So do not tar every one with the same brush, and if some one as already answered the same remark, SORRY it took me half an hour to type this. Slug on tranquillizers thats me. Oh as for the game, need to do better guys, but it is only the second game we have lost, but did you have to go and lose to Shuff. Bos
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Post by Number 9.1 on Oct 12, 2008 23:10:29 GMT
As with Ellis, there was no plan B, just continous banging their head against a brick wall. That's something that had occurred to me prior to tonight. Of course, you have no need of a Plan B until Plan A fails and in this regard Neilson has been lucky (wrong word, I know) with results so far. It'll be setbacks like this that tell us more about him as a coach than any number of straightforward victories, however convincing.
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