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Post by Rumpole on Oct 10, 2008 10:56:57 GMT
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Post by sambo79 on Oct 10, 2008 11:09:54 GMT
Well, my folks won't be impressed. They're away that week as it was only a CC game but now they'll lose a season ticket game.
Really, really, really happy I didn't buy a season ticket.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 10, 2008 11:36:45 GMT
What a totally bizarre way to deal with fixture congestion. Novel idea i'll give them that, but has 'amateur' plastered all over it!
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Post by LUFC on Oct 10, 2008 11:50:41 GMT
What a totally bizarre way to deal with fixture congestion. Novel idea i'll give them that, but has 'amateur' plastered all over it! Excuse me but this is not the first time and certainly wont be the last time a league fixture has represented a cup fixture at the same time. I do not see Amature on it what so ever. It's a perfectly good way to deal with the situation IMO. |
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Post by darrellpanther on Oct 10, 2008 11:54:27 GMT
What a totally bizarre way to deal with fixture congestion. Novel idea i'll give them that, but has 'amateur' plastered all over it! Excuse me but this is not the first time and certainly wont be the last time a league fixture has represented a cup fixture at the same time. I do not see Amature on it what so ever. It's a perfectly good way to deal with the situation IMO. i Agree, the people above at panthers cant be in control of everything regarding the NIC, one of the downfalls of palying in 1 of the best arena`s in the country, which i would not change. every fixture change will suit some and not others no matter what they do |
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Post by pantherdman on Oct 10, 2008 11:55:42 GMT
Sounds Stupid to me.
Say we win the league by 2 points, i can see this being protested and the game having to be played anyway.
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Post by lee on Oct 10, 2008 12:05:52 GMT
fixture changes happen every year without fail so i expect them, hence can't see the point in moaning about them.
the only bad side of this i can see is now we get one less game of hockey this season to go to.
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Post by pdusa on Oct 10, 2008 13:22:21 GMT
So what happens if the game is tied? As draws are allowed in the cup but not in the league.
O.T for the league point?
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Post by pantherdman on Oct 10, 2008 13:32:55 GMT
So what happens if the game is tied? As draws are allowed in the cup but not in the league. O.T for the league point? Yes. Totally de-values the cup for me. |
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 10, 2008 14:06:06 GMT
You are duly excused however I must still disagree. This de-values the competition (either really, cup or league) not to mention is misrepresentative overall. I guess that's just my view although i'd also argue that the fact it has been 'done before' doesn't make it right.
I agree that in some ways it seems logical, however find it very hard to believe that one of the 'smaller' clubs, who by implementing this solution would lose a revenue generating fixture, would be able to agree to this. For that reason it seems wrong to me, as it is not a solution that could be applied across the board. Consistency is something all sports should strive for, both on the pitch/ice/field and off it. This, to me, is just another 'patch up' and 'behind closed doors' solution that further enhances the 'amateur' claim which I stand by.
Appreciate these are just differing opinions though, just putting my view.
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Post by rangers on Oct 10, 2008 14:09:07 GMT
Hopefully I won't be working on Dec 30 and 31 then - but i have a horrible feeling i will be.
If i am, i'll be gutted - I have fond memories of the time we won at the NIC on new years eve, and Jimmy climbing the boards to celebrate with the fans - I think it was the first time we went above you in the league as well.
As an All Black fan, Forest fan, and Viper fan, I have become rather good at living off past glories...
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 10, 2008 14:24:32 GMT
Past glories are where it's at Rangers, between the Leafs, Panthers and Forest i'm something of an old time expert too!
Present day glory is overrated anyway :-)
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Post by Adam on Oct 10, 2008 14:25:16 GMT
As an All Black fan, Forest fan, and Viper fan, I have become rather good at living off past glories... How can you be a New Zealand fan when your english?  *Thats if you are english and your on about new zealand* |
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Post by rangers on Oct 10, 2008 14:42:17 GMT
As an All Black fan, Forest fan, and Viper fan, I have become rather good at living off past glories... How can you be a New Zealand fan when your english? *Thats if you are english and your on about new zealand*Family from NZ. |
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Post by pantherdman on Oct 10, 2008 14:48:38 GMT
You are duly excused however I must still disagree. This de-values the competition (either really, cup or league) not to mention is misrepresentative overall. I guess that's just my view although i'd also argue that the fact it has been 'done before' doesn't make it right. I agree that in some ways it seems logical, however find it very hard to believe that one of the 'smaller' clubs, who by implementing this solution would lose a revenue generating fixture, would be able to agree to this. For that reason it seems wrong to me, as it is not a solution that could be applied across the board. Consistency is something all sports should strive for, both on the pitch/ice/field and off it. This, to me, is just another 'patch up' and 'behind closed doors' solution that further enhances the 'amateur' claim which I stand by. Appreciate these are just differing opinions though, just putting my view. I totally agree. |
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Post by KimThePanther on Oct 10, 2008 15:41:02 GMT
I seem to remember a Challenge Cup semi final again London doubling up in a similar way a few years back. To equal consternation as I recall
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Post by buster on Oct 10, 2008 17:01:26 GMT
i think it's bloody stupid.
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Post by Helen B on Oct 10, 2008 17:09:51 GMT
I can't believe how many fixture changes the NIC imposes on you guys. I think we had 2 last year and one of those was for the first Sky game.
So far we haven't had any, I'm expecting 1 or 2 but you've had about 7 now, that's just a ridiculous amount and it's only October.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 10, 2008 17:30:11 GMT
I think, to be fair to the NIC/Nottingham Arena/Trent FM Arena it's a multi function venue who's prime objective is to remain profitable. To that end they often take extra/revised dates for concerts etc which are often on a first come first served basis and there are often other arenas and venues ready to take the business should they not want it. As I understand it there are often instances where acts / performances extend based on ticket sales - the very nature of this means juggling dates. As such the Panthers are the only regular, large crowd pulling fixture at the NIC so are naturally more often affected by these changes. As a Nottingham based outfit they are by definition more accommodating and able to absorb changes in arena availability than, say, McFly or The Killers. It's just the price we pay for what is, without doubt, a first class facility that has more functions than just one sport or entertainment venue. Fully appreciate that fixture changes don't help people but i'm afraid that's just part of following sport and is generally the same across the board, i've lost count of the amount of Forest games where i've booked cheap, non refundable hotel rooms or travel tickets in advance only for sky to move the game or cup commitments to change the fixtures.
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Post by Walter on Oct 10, 2008 17:55:16 GMT
I think, to be fair to the NIC/Nottingham Arena/Trent FM Arena it's a multi function venue who's prime objective is to remain profitable. To that end they often take extra/revised dates for concerts etc which are often on a first come first served basis and there are often other arenas and venues ready to take the business should they not want it. As I understand it there are often instances where acts / performances extend based on ticket sales - the very nature of this means juggling dates. As such the Panthers are the only regular, large crowd pulling fixture at the NIC so are naturally more often affected by these changes. As a Nottingham based outfit they are by definition more accommodating and able to absorb changes in arena availability than, say, McFly or The Killers. It's just the price we pay for what is, without doubt, a first class facility that has more functions than just one sport or entertainment venue. Fully appreciate that fixture changes don't help people but I'm afraid that's just part of following sport and is generally the same across the board, I've lost count of the amount of Forest games where I've booked cheap, non refundable hotel rooms or travel tickets in advance only for sky to move the game or cup commitments to change the fixtures. You forgot to call it the FABULOUS TRENT FM ARENA, shame on you..... As regarding the fixture, I see it as a case of my glass is half full, not half empty. As I can now get into a cup game without paying extra. Swings and roundabouts, that's another old saying......Sorry I'll get my coat |
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Post by pantherinmanc on Oct 10, 2008 18:19:36 GMT
My bad, it is of course fabulous in every sense of the word, not least the delicious gourmet food and premium quality lager, all at reasonable prices.
To be honest fixture changes are part of having a season ticket for any sports team, if I were restricted as to when I could go to Panthers to such a degree that a few fixture changes would cause me to wonder if it was worth it then I wouldn't buy a season ticket, every sports club in the world that issues fixture lists and sells season tickets does so with small print that says the fixtures are subject to change. I know we live in a world that disregards small print but it's there for a reason. I'm not saying wholesale fixture changes are right but given that they will always happen you know what you're signing up for, all I ask for is decent notice, which we have got. The alternative is to play in the type of arena/venue that the Phoenix have up here. I know which one i'd rather have, even with the changes.
edited for spelling correction
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Post by iginla on Oct 10, 2008 19:13:22 GMT
Yes of course the arena have to be profitable but,it is the "national ICE centre" and it
was built with a large slice of "sport england"grant funding.
As such,so why does ice hockey always seem to be an afterthought and have to take a back seat to just about any other dross that may want the venue ?
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Post by NP on Oct 10, 2008 19:37:44 GMT
[quoteAs I can now get into a cup game without paying extra. Swings and roundabouts, that's another old saying......Sorry I'll get my coat[/quote]
yeah but it is now a league game, with points counting towards the cup, so really it means there is one less hockey game on at the "fabulous NIC" - lost revenue? You are just saving the costs of not having to fork out money for a cup game which was supposed to be played on that date between the sides.
It is getting ridiculous now, just yesterday they said on the official site - "GOOD NEWS - no more fixture changes", then this! someone is aving a GIRAFFE!
I fly back into East Mids that Thursday. I wasn't going to be present as it was down as "A CUP GAME", now me and me baggage will ave to make it, well that's if there isn'ta flight delay! Will be pretty tight to make the start even without any delays. Also hope the NIC staff don't take too long to check me bags before letting me in!
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Post by spik on Oct 10, 2008 20:10:46 GMT
A stats nightmare. Which competition are they added to? You can't add to both surely? If so the lads who get points will have a field day. Remember when London folded, the points gained in those expunged games by PLAYER actions were kept to the stats which is wrong.
I notice the club state 'patience' that the fans have.Is this because they have emailed this mood to let the club know? I assume however that when complaints are heard it's only a proportion of the 4,000 crowd and not something worth mentioning. Just trying to point out that the fans can't do nothing else but be patient here. I realise the fixtures problem we have here but when do people become impatient?
The Challenge Cup games incorporated into the early/mid or latter league games in previous seasons counted to the actuality of qualification to the next round of games but having one game (Elite accepted) 'double' up makes it as much a precedant for others to do this when they want. As when we complain of precedants on other subjects surely.
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Post by ted on Oct 10, 2008 21:19:33 GMT
it seems they have pencilled a load in provisionally till they get a better offer, Panthers would have been better saying these are the fixtures for the first few weeks, as soon as the NIC decides what it wants to do with the rest we will confirm them.
In all honesty we all now fixtures change each year. I kind of expect it now.
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