sunbeam
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 14, 2008 11:22:30 GMT
Whilst at the Masters yesterday one thing that struck me were seeing kids in Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal shirts. It made me wonder who people think are the best suppoted teams in Notts these days.
My guess would be:
1 Forest 2 Man U 3 Liverpool 4 Derby (border areas are split) 5 Notts 6 Stags 7 Arsenal 8 Chelsea
I spoke to teacher about it (he supports Notts) and he said in schools it's worrying. My guess in schools (especially under 12s) it'd be:
1 Forest 2 Man U 3 Liverpool 4 Arsenal 5 Chelsea 6 Derby 7 Notts 8 Stags
I also suspect the lead Forest has is rapidly shrinking.
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Post by Gilly on Jul 14, 2008 12:37:48 GMT
this really annoys me as well. im 17 a fully fledged notts supporter and i get the usual "they are **** they are in league 2"..."Why do oyu support them when man u/chelsea/arsenal/liverpool (delete as appropriate are better" the simple reason is because i come from NOTTINGHAM not manchester, not liverpool, nots london. Ok so people ask me well why not support forest. i was born into a notts supporting family and have been bought up (rightly or wrongly) to dispise forest and everyhting to do with forest which is why i see things that way. But in todays society everyhting is premier league which is why many league 1 and 2 clubs are struggling majorly financially because the next generation of football lovers only want to watch the big 4, and couldnt care less about their local team. which i feel imo is a bad state of affairs. although i personally have a bad taste for forest i would much rather see nottingham people supporting forest that the teams 150 or more miles away, just because they are big clubs who win things.
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Post by kilner on Jul 14, 2008 15:57:09 GMT
this really annoys me as well. im 17 a fully fledged notts supporter and i get the usual "they are **** they are in league 2"..."Why do oyu support them when man u/chelsea/arsenal/liverpool (delete as appropriate are better" the simple reason is because i come from NOTTINGHAM not manchester, not liverpool, nots london. Ok so people ask me well why not support forest. i was born into a notts supporting family and have been bought up (rightly or wrongly) to dispise forest and everyhting to do with forest which is why i see things that way. But in todays society everyhting is premier league which is why many league 1 and 2 clubs are struggling majorly financially because the next generation of football lovers only want to watch the big 4, and couldnt care less about their local team. which i feel imo is a bad state of affairs. although i personally have a bad taste for forest i would much rather see nottingham people supporting forest that the teams 150 or more miles away, just because they are big clubs who win things. Good post! The people who support one of the big four are not proper football fans (IMHO).
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Post by Dan on Jul 14, 2008 16:52:16 GMT
That's a bit of a wild comment kilner, but i see where you're coming from. If you're from Manchester, Liverpool or that particular part of London or your dad supports one of the teams, i can understand you becoming a big four team. I don't really see a valid excuse to support a big four team aside from those whilst calling yourself a proper fan.
Thankfully, there are still plenty of children about being brought up on Forest, and long may it continue.
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Post by kilner on Jul 14, 2008 17:59:14 GMT
That's a bit of a wild comment kilner, but i see where you're coming from. If you're from Manchester, Liverpool or that particular part of London or your dad supports one of the teams, i can understand you becoming a big four team. I don't really see a valid excuse to support a big four team aside from those whilst calling yourself a proper fan. Thankfully, there are still plenty of children about being brought up on Forest, and long may it continue. Do you not find that theres a high majority of 'fans' of the big 4 couldn't really give that must of a toss about their club. Quick enough to preach and all that when they win, but when they lose they dont want to know. There was a post from a forest fan on footballforums just after we signed signed Cole, it went something along the lines of.. Man U 'fan': How come hes gone to you when hes in the england team? Forest fan: Its not Joe Cole, its Andy Cole Man U 'fan': Who..? Forest fan: He used to play for you Man U 'fan': Did he?? Like i said, its not word for word but you get the jist of it. Now i admit that not every fan is like this, but alot of the fans of the big four that i know are.
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tomtom
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Post by tomtom on Jul 15, 2008 12:08:21 GMT
Well I'm a Mansfield fan and it's hard but I live in Sutton and have spported the Stags all my life.
Quite a few of my mates are Man U fans, and if they lose a Carling Cup game, to say Coventry, they say "Well, it's only the Tin Cup, we're not bothered."
Right annoys me
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Higgy
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Post by Higgy on Jul 15, 2008 12:48:39 GMT
Im a Notts fan but im about one 5 people i know who are, thats it. As the chant goes 'Dirty glory hunters dirty glory hunters dirty glory hunters....support your local team'
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Rich
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Post by Rich on Jul 15, 2008 13:33:15 GMT
I think a lot of the problem is the city though. Fair enough its a national problem but Nottingham more so than others because the 2 city teams are "uncool". Forest live in the past and are the butt of a lot of "in the past" jokes and Notts have completely stagnated and were scientifically proven to be the most stressful team to support in the Football league!
Most people are fickle, im sure if Forest settle and do well in the Championship and Notts put a run together to challenge for promotion a lot of fans would crawl out of the woodwork again. The chances of finding that out arnt great though lol
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Post by buster on Jul 15, 2008 14:15:40 GMT
Good post! The people who support one of the big four are not proper football fans (IMHO). a friend of mines father died when he was very young (about 8 i think). he wasnt able to go to football as his mother detested the sport, though his best friend at the time was from liverpool but living down here. he started going to liverpool matches with his best friend and his best friends dad on the train week in week out. my friend is now 43, after 35 years, is he not a 'proper' fan? your post is stupid. there are many different reasons why people support a bigger club. open your eyes.
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Higgy
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Post by Higgy on Jul 15, 2008 15:01:04 GMT
Good post! The people who support one of the big four are not proper football fans (IMHO). a friend of mines father died when he was very young (about 8 i think). he wasnt able to go to football as his mother detested the sport, though his best friend at the time was from liverpool but living down here. he started going to liverpool matches with his best friend and his best friends dad on the train week in week out. my friend is now 43, after 35 years, is he not a 'proper' fan? your post is stupid. there are many different reasons why people support a bigger club. open your eyes. Yes there are many reasons but 90% of 'fans' i know who do support the big 4 have never been to watch them, arent from there and have no connection with the teams whatsoever and thats why people say most are not 'real' fans.
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Post by Peacock on Jul 15, 2008 17:39:46 GMT
a friend of mines father died when he was very young (about 8 i think). he wasnt able to go to football as his mother detested the sport, though his best friend at the time was from liverpool but living down here. he started going to liverpool matches with his best friend and his best friends dad on the train week in week out. my friend is now 43, after 35 years, is he not a 'proper' fan? your post is stupid. there are many different reasons why people support a bigger club. open your eyes. Yes there are many reasons but 90% of 'fans' i know who do support the big 4 have never been to watch them, arent from there and have no connection with the teams whatsoever and thats why people say most are not 'real' fans. Higgy, I'm from Nottm, and have lived here for vast majority of my life. I'm a Leeds fan, but have only ever seen them play live once (@ Derby) and my family have no Leeds connection at all. Does that mean I'm not a proper Leeds fan? Or is it more acceptable 'cos they're not a top flight club?
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Post by kilner on Jul 15, 2008 19:29:06 GMT
Good post! The people who support one of the big four are not proper football fans (IMHO). a friend of mines father died when he was very young (about 8 i think). he wasnt able to go to football as his mother detested the sport, though his best friend at the time was from liverpool but living down here. he started going to liverpool matches with his best friend and his best friends dad on the train week in week out. my friend is now 43, after 35 years, is he not a 'proper' fan? your post is stupid. there are many different reasons why people support a bigger club. open your eyes. Fair enough. But like i said in my next post, theres a very high majority that aren't like said friend. As for there being many different reasons why people support a bigger club. Give me some apart from the old boring ones like 'my mum/dad went to Liverpool/ Manchester once when they were a kid so therefore i should support em' etc...
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Post by kilner on Jul 15, 2008 19:30:51 GMT
Yes there are many reasons but 90% of 'fans' i know who do support the big 4 have never been to watch them, arent from there and have no connection with the teams whatsoever and thats why people say most are not 'real' fans. Higgy, I'm from Nottm, and have lived here for vast majority of my life. I'm a Leeds fan, but have only ever seen them play live once (@ Derby) and my family have no Leeds connection at all. Does that mean I'm not a proper Leeds fan? Or is it more acceptable 'cos they're not a top flight club? Why Leeds, and when did you become a Leeds 'fan'?
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Post by dms41853 on Jul 15, 2008 19:32:04 GMT
i'm a believer that you should support your home town team, i support forest because i'm nottingham born and bred and they're the team on my side of the river.
I don't think you have to see your team live to be a true fan, i consider myself a true forest fan but i haven't seen them live in 3 years.
I think the argument is against those that just latch onto teams e.g the big 4 just because they're successful. For example i knew someone that was a man u fan but when blackburn won the league he was then a blackburn 'fan'.
In my opinion i don't care if you're a true fan or not if you have to sit in the away block at city ground i still want your team to lose just the same.
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Post by Peacock on Jul 15, 2008 19:55:26 GMT
Higgy, I'm from Nottm, and have lived here for vast majority of my life. I'm a Leeds fan, but have only ever seen them play live once (@ Derby) and my family have no Leeds connection at all. Does that mean I'm not a proper Leeds fan? Or is it more acceptable 'cos they're not a top flight club? Why Leeds, and when did you become a Leeds 'fan'? When I was about 6/7 my mates Dad took us to a game. It was Derby v Leeds @ The Baseball Ground. Ever since then I've been a Leeds fan...and not just in Football. As I grew up I starting liking Rugby League & Union more than Football, so I'm a Rhinos and Tykes fan too.
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Post by Higgy on Jul 16, 2008 20:58:06 GMT
Yes there are many reasons but 90% of 'fans' i know who do support the big 4 have never been to watch them, arent from there and have no connection with the teams whatsoever and thats why people say most are not 'real' fans. Higgy, I'm from Nottm, and have lived here for vast majority of my life. I'm a Leeds fan, but have only ever seen them play live once (@ Derby) and my family have no Leeds connection at all. Does that mean I'm not a proper Leeds fan? Or is it more acceptable 'cos they're not a top flight club? Well in some ways it is more acceptable because they are hardly succesful these days, so its quite clear you arent a glory hunter. I'm not saying its wrong for you support Leeds but i just couldnt support a team from somewhere im not from. We are all different though and its not up to me to downcast you because you support a non local team.
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sunbeam
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 16, 2008 21:07:00 GMT
So what do you guys think the rough ranking of the teams' support would be?
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Post by Milkman™ on Jul 16, 2008 22:24:55 GMT
My father in law is the Chairman of the North Yorkshire MU Suppoters club, who take 42 North Yorshire Utd fans to every game be it home, away, or Europe.
Are they not fans, the Supporters club recent;ly celebrated its 25th anniversary, are they glory hunters too.
I'd like someones definition of fan, is Dave (the father in law) any more a fan than my mate Peacock who has seen his 'team' once in the flesh?
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Post by sparta on Jul 16, 2008 23:42:57 GMT
I think people can support whoever they want in the modern game, as it's no longer the working man's game and the sport is now appealing to a wider audience thanks to TV.
There are two things that do bug me: fans who support their local team, and yet somehow feel they're "better" than someone who supports a more..."media friendly" team and secondly, fans who support said teams and yet have to slag off so called "lesser teams."
As for the previous comment regarding Forest "living in the past," I don't think that's the case at all. I personally started supporting the team in 1993, the start of the decline and whilst I never enjoyed the European cups, League cups or being a competitive team (save 1993-94/1994-95 & 1997-98,) it's still part of my team's past and those victories etc al make Forest what they are.
I think the perception that Forest were in the "wrong league" whilst in League One came from the media and in my experience, from opposition fans. The amount of times I've spoken with other fans be it on forums, colleagues at work or even when I've been policing football fans, they've always said words to the effect of "a team like Forest should be in the Championship or Premiership."
Getting back on track and from a Coventry perspective, I have to say that despite Coventry City being in a similar downward spiral to that taken by Forest, it's quite refreshing to see lots of Coventrians, both old and young, wearing their team's shirt.
Yeah you get the odd ManYoo, ARSEnal and Chel$ki shirt, but Cov are well supported in their own city thankfully.
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Post by tomtom on Jul 28, 2008 9:14:28 GMT
Not really related, but Stags lost 3-2 to Derby on Saturday. Was a pretty decent game as well
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Post by Wirral Panther on Jul 28, 2008 13:21:09 GMT
I am from the wirral and support tranmere rovers and the problem we have at tranmere is a lot of kids wear liverpool and everton shirts to our home games and it is diffucult for us living in the shadow of the big 2 across the mersey. A lot of people on the wirral support liverpool or everton.
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tomtom
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Post by tomtom on Jul 29, 2008 18:02:27 GMT
Like how almost everbody in Macclesfield supports Manchester United
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Aug 2, 2008 12:02:07 GMT
I follow (not support as I don't actually go and physically support them) Sunderland, always been a massive fan of Roy Keane and started taking an interest in them when he joined as manager
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Aug 9, 2008 18:50:49 GMT
People who support the supposedly big four are in the main glory hunters. They didn't pick these teams out of a hat, they thought I'll support ( insert team here) because they will probably win trophies etc.
How many Chelsea fans did you see in Nottingham before Abhramovic's money? I remember a brief outing of Blackburn fans in the locality during their brief spell of success, it's pathetic.
I really don't understand people's support of teams from different parts of the country, what possible emotional links do most of Nottingham's population have to Manchester, Liverpool and north or west London?
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Post by kilner on Aug 9, 2008 18:54:43 GMT
what possible emotional links do most of Nottingham's population have to Manchester, Liverpool and north or west London? Dads brother girlfriend's grandad's best mate went there once on a day trip, durr
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