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Post by Number 9.1 on Jun 17, 2008 22:33:42 GMT
Small point, I know, but I think one's from Cardiff and the other's from Sheffield. well they are a dam dsight more local than the over the hill imports i think does myers live here and work here then? You are right about one thing small point indeed! For someone who isn't interested in being right all the time, redefining 'local' to mean 'national' for the sake of appearing so must have been quite a challenge. And I think everyone playing for the Panthers lives and works here when it matters don't they? Like we've both agreed, though: small point.
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Post by Tom on Jun 17, 2008 23:02:02 GMT
But there were more Panthers fans back then ;0 But the wage cap then was about double what is now and even more brazenly ignored than it is now. [Sarcasm]Teams could afford to have four lines of much better imports. [/Sarcasm] That is why the standard of play was so better in the ISL. Thats why there were bigger crowds. We can't afford that standard of import any more and we certainly can't afford as many.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 17, 2008 23:05:04 GMT
No it's not cheap at all when you consider the wage cap has apparently more than halved. The price of making the petrol has stayed roughly the same whilst the price of putting a team on the ice at the N.I.C has considerably dropped, so thats no comparison what so ever
Greg Haddens testimonial got a bigger attendance than most Rays and Caps games and probably some other teams, take into consideration that wasn't on the season ticket.
Average attendances
2002/03- 4426 2007/08- 4210
Not a massive difference but taking into account it was only a five team league and the fact Panthers fans seem very loyal, I'm sure with Shuffs and Giants attendances it would be a big difference
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 17, 2008 23:13:41 GMT
But there were more Panthers fans back then ;0 But the wage cap then was about double what is now and even more brazenly ignored than it is now. [Sarcasm]Teams could afford to have four lines of much better imports. [/Sarcasm] That is why the standard of play was so better in the ISL. Thats why there were bigger crowds. We can't afford that standard of import any more and we certainly can't afford as many. As far as I know we've always worked with three lines. Our major disadvantage when playing teams from the mainland at the time
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 17, 2008 23:17:12 GMT
nick if you assume things you are invariably wrong i find, the deluded was to the fact that you seemed to think that imports would work out cheaper than the least expensive brits in the squad! I cannot see were i went wrong on that point! (just for you an exclamation mark ok) ;D Don't know if it's exactly what I put and can't be bothered to scrawl through my posts but what I meant was with the wages from the lower end Brits plus the wages you would save from the top end Brits not being able to claim there premium bonus you would be able to get a much better import for your money. Think I explained that pretty well previously and you know full well what I meant
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Post by Tom on Jun 17, 2008 23:58:54 GMT
No it's not cheap at all when you consider the wage cap has apparently more than halved. The price of making the petrol has stayed roughly the same whilst the price of putting a team on the ice at the N.I.C has considerably dropped, so thats no comparison what so ever Greg Haddens testimonial got a bigger attendance than most Rays and Caps games and probably some other teams, take into consideration that wasn't on the season ticket. Average attendances 2002/03- 4426 2007/08- 4210 Not a massive difference but taking into account it was only a five team league and the fact Panthers fans seem very loyal, I'm sure with Shuffs and Giants attendances it would be a big difference Have a look at other events at the Arena and compared to them it is cheap. There are a lot of other factors that make up the costs of an ice hockey team other than the wages of the team especially for an arena team. So it is understandable why the prices haven't fallen. But yes ok it does seem a little unfair. What I can't see is why this has anything to do the young Brits that occassionally get the odd shift here and there. They, well their parents, pay to play. They don't get free equipment, they don't get paid at all. None of the money you spend goes to any of those youngsters so why are you whinging about your ticket price when we are discussing their developement. It is just not relevant to this issue.
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Post by Tom on Jun 18, 2008 0:37:11 GMT
But the wage cap then was about double what is now and even more brazenly ignored than it is now. [Sarcasm]Teams could afford to have four lines of much better imports. [/Sarcasm] That is why the standard of play was so better in the ISL. Thats why there were bigger crowds. We can't afford that standard of import any more and we certainly can't afford as many. As far as I know we've always worked with three lines. Our major disadvantage when playing teams from the mainland at the time We did go with a forth line but it usually had a couple of Brits on it an so iced very infrequently. But other teams definely did go with four import lines hence the sarcasm about them being able to afford. We did however usually three full lines of imports and a backup import keeper too. In fact the first year under Aladin Management we definitely did have four lines. We had 18 imports plus Randall Weber and Simon Hunt. But because we so seriously overspent Neil Black slashed the budget the next year and so we had to get some cheap European players and some Brits.
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Post by Tom on Jun 18, 2008 0:50:50 GMT
nick if you assume things you are invariably wrong i find, the deluded was to the fact that you seemed to think that imports would work out cheaper than the least expensive brits in the squad! I cannot see were i went wrong on that point! (just for you an exclamation mark ok) ;D Don't know if it's exactly what I put and can't be bothered to scrawl through my posts but what I meant was with the wages from the lower end Brits plus the wages you would save from the top end Brits not being able to claim there premium bonus you would be able to get a much better import for your money. Think I explained that pretty well previously and you know full well what I meant I think you are overestimating what a top end Brit gets paid and I know you are oversestimating what a lower end Brit gets paid. A number of Lions players have declined to play for the Panthers because the money offered just was not enough to live on, let alone give up a well paid job for. That and, how many time do I have to repeat this, there are serious extra costs in bringing a player over from the over side of the atlantic. European players are not that much cheaper and are more of a gamble. If Brits were not on the whole cheaper the owners would never had agreed to a limit on import numbers.
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