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Post by sambo79 on May 20, 2008 16:54:14 GMT
I'd love to see him actually start on someone a la Payette. It would also be nice to see him throw more punches in a fight. I don't think anyone's that scared of him because they know he wont pummel them no matter how much they wind him up.
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Post by matt44 on May 20, 2008 16:57:34 GMT
a) Wrong b) Wrong c) Wrong. I think I'm pretty capable of telling the difference between ending and winning a fight thanks. a) correct b) correct c) corrcet shmyr never fights people smaller than him name a player he has fought that hasnt been the same siz or bigger Well he fought Coventry's Clouthier who is alot shorter because he was being a dick! Maybe you should check your facts before slagging someone off! Payette is smaller.......Lewis is smaller........... he fought them both 3 times atleast. I would LOVE Shmyr back if he can be allowed to do what he wants. Otherwise there's no point having him on the team.
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Post by PantherTom on May 20, 2008 17:01:17 GMT
he didnt exactly have a choice against cloutier of coventry because cloutier jumped him if you were watching the game
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Post by Yotes on May 20, 2008 17:03:12 GMT
That was Timmons wasn't it? Or am I thinking of another game?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 20, 2008 17:04:01 GMT
I agree Teddy. Makes me laugh how people slag him off but a guy that does that for his team despite him probably feeling pretty embarrassed it is the kind of spirit I'd want Have you not seen how his fights pan out though? a) only fights goons; b) only by invitation - never instigation; c) rarely wins - ending a fight is not the same as winning it. Mix this up with his skills as a hockey player and you're looking at an 11th import. Thought I'd reply properly and debate your three coments. a) I personally don't see a problem with him only fighting other enforcers as thats what most tough guys do most of the time. Your comment is flawed by his fights against Campbell and Cloutier though. b) I think you will find this isn't something particular to Shmyr. Ever since the visor has been widely used in hockey more and more guys are talking, dropping the gloves, lids and squaring up rather than going in the heat of the moment. Again though your comment is flawed by his fight with Timmons where they went strait from the face off without dropping the lids or an invitation just the heat of the moment. c) I think rarely wins is very harsh and innacurate. Shmyr has got the better of Skiehar x2, Ndur, Cornish x2 (one tko), Campbell, Payette x2, Clouthier, Timmons and Cloutier Nick
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 20, 2008 17:09:21 GMT
I'd love to see him actually start on someone a la Payette. It would also be nice to see him throw more punches in a fight. I don't think anyone's that scared of him because they know he wont pummel them no matter how much they wind him up. I remember him starting on Payette last season, he skated up to him after he'd pushed Neilson, dropped his gloves and punched him in the face then Paysie grabbed hold of him and pulled him down. As for throwing punches, ask Cornish, it only takes one.
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Post by Toneys#24 on May 20, 2008 18:13:02 GMT
I'm sure He'll be talking to some Danish team, along with every other player that scored a few points in the elite league last year. James Neil will be next you know!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 20, 2008 20:02:52 GMT
James Neil will be next you know! I wish
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Post by matt44 on May 20, 2008 20:17:40 GMT
I'd love to see him actually start on someone a la Payette. It would also be nice to see him throw more punches in a fight. I don't think anyone's that scared of him because they know he wont pummel them no matter how much they wind him up. I remember him starting on Payette last season, he skated up to him after he'd pushed Neilson, dropped his gloves and punched him in the face then Paysie grabbed hold of him and pulled him down. As for throwing punches, ask Cornish, it only takes one. And remember after after Payette jumped Mcaslan after the late shot? Shmyr went straight over to the Penalty box, told Payette he was gonna get it, then lined up next to him and just kept hitting him with his stick! lol
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Post by Rich on May 20, 2008 20:21:54 GMT
I'd love to see him actually start on someone a la Payette. It would also be nice to see him throw more punches in a fight. I don't think anyone's that scared of him because they know he wont pummel them no matter how much they wind him up. I remember him starting on Payette last season, he skated up to him after he'd pushed Neilson, dropped his gloves and punched him in the face then Paysie grabbed hold of him and pulled him down. As for throwing punches, ask Cornish, it only takes one. Then there was the game at the NIC where Shmyr chased him down the ice and no choiced him. The cov game he went out and tried to get Timmons to go because Cov were down to 3 D men. Very smart, he either gets him to go and Cov are in a mess or he makes coventrys enforcer look a complete phoney. Smart enforcer. He kept a lid on his nasty side because of the fans. All the holier than thou "block 15" knitters who are appaled everytime somebody goes into a corner after a puck. I hope he leaves and proves a point because theres not much chance he would be nasty playing in Nottingham or playing for Corey so he might aswell leave. PS not a dig at the whole of block 15, just a complete generalisation to support my point
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Post by buster on May 20, 2008 20:29:00 GMT
i dont think theres a lot of love in here for shmyr.
i cant remember who typed it, it may have been bramley, but they were spot on when they said that it takes alot from a person to play hockey rather than enforce (as we know it) when home and away fans are laughing at him and calling him a joke. that is the sort of team player i would like to see back, i agree completely with whoever typed it. it shows shmyr can play smart hockey rather than just throw his weight around.
though the usual hug fest against payette is just embarrassing to watch, but not half as bad as the JUDO THROW against voth. that was just cringeworthy.
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Post by Number 9.1 on May 20, 2008 20:37:40 GMT
... he went out and tried to get Timmons to go because Cov were down to 3 D men. Very smart, he either gets him to go and Cov are in a mess or he makes coventrys enforcer look a complete phoney. Smart enforcer. I don't necessarily agree with this but couldn't the same 'look a complete phoney' tag apply equally to Shmyr for his refusal to fight in similar circumstances? I guess not as many have argued that its this that makes him such an asset ... It appears that people have widely differing views on Shmyr but I guess the main thrust of my argument is that he's an uninteresting fighter who rarely - if ever - uses his alleged talent in this area to seek an advantage for the team.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 20, 2008 20:49:13 GMT
I remember him starting on Payette last season, he skated up to him after he'd pushed Neilson, dropped his gloves and punched him in the face then Paysie grabbed hold of him and pulled him down. As for throwing punches, ask Cornish, it only takes one. Then there was the game at the NIC where Shmyr chased him down the ice and no choiced him. The cov game he went out and tried to get Timmons to go because Cov were down to 3 D men. Very smart, he either gets him to go and Cov are in a mess or he makes coventrys enforcer look a complete phoney. Smart enforcer. He kept a lid on his nasty side because of the fans. All the holier than thou "block 15" knitters who are appaled everytime somebody goes into a corner after a puck. I hope he leaves and proves a point because theres not much chance he would be nasty playing in Nottingham or playing for Corey so he might aswell leave. PS not a dig at the whole of block 15, just a complete generalisation to support my point I'm with you there Rich, I've heard since the PO's that Rob Wilson has been chasing him and a large part of me wants to see him go, come back here and smash the place apart. In his first season he was praised for playing smart and not being an out and out goon whilst last season he was slagged off for not acting more like a goon.
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Post by Rich on May 21, 2008 8:38:05 GMT
... he went out and tried to get Timmons to go because Cov were down to 3 D men. Very smart, he either gets him to go and Cov are in a mess or he makes coventrys enforcer look a complete phoney. Smart enforcer. I don't necessarily agree with this but couldn't the same 'look a complete phoney' tag apply equally to Shmyr for his refusal to fight in similar circumstances? I guess not as many have argued that its this that makes him such an asset ... It appears that people have widely differing views on Shmyr but I guess the main thrust of my argument is that he's an uninteresting fighter who rarely - if ever - uses his alleged talent in this area to seek an advantage for the team. Well..... Yeh. Of course Cornish calling him a chicken made him look a phoney. I presume thats what you are referring to and I completely agree. In front of a packed NIC our home tough guy was made to look stupid. He saved a little bit of face with his chirping and dig at Cornys skating but yep I totally agree he was made to look stupid. However, that day, as with the incident I am referring to it was the coaches who stopped the fight going ahead. Ryan would fight every week if he had to. Look at it another way, Hes more interested than Craighead, more intimidating than Mckenna and alot cheaper than Nieckar was. Im not saying hes perfect but hes going to be a big asset to another club if he stays in the league
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2008 8:41:06 GMT
I don t think Shmyr will be in this league next year , he ll end up back in the CHL
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Post by texpef on May 21, 2008 9:19:01 GMT
[quote author=number9 Look at it another way, Hes more interested than Craighead, more intimidating than Mckenna and alot cheaper than Nieckar was. Im not saying hes perfect but hes going to be a big asset to another club if he stays in the league Sorry Rich i agree with alot of what you say but that is crap.. Craighead, especially in his first season was very watchable as you didnt know whether he was going to score a fabulous goal or run the keeper, when he was on the ice he made things happen. As for Mckenna, regular season yes, playoffs he was the player we wanted, scared the poo out of the opposition and was solid in D and up front was not moved from the goal mouth. As for the great Nieckar,well he was a true AHL, part time NHL player and as such even now an equivalent player would be alot more money than RS but then again he was better value for money on the ice though...
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Post by Rich on May 21, 2008 10:06:55 GMT
[quote author=number9 Look at it another way, Hes more interested than Craighead, more intimidating than Mckenna and alot cheaper than Nieckar was. Im not saying hes perfect but hes going to be a big asset to another club if he stays in the league Sorry Rich i agree with alot of what you say but that is pants.. Craighead, especially in his first season was very watchable as you didnt know whether he was going to score a fabulous goal or run the keeper, when he was on the ice he made things happen. As for Mckenna, regular season yes, playoffs he was the player we wanted, scared the poo out of the opposition and was solid in D and up front was not moved from the goal mouth. As for the great Nieckar,well he was a true AHL, part time NHL player and as such even now an equivalent player would be alot more money than RS but then again he was better value for money on the ice though... Being unpredictable doesnt make you entertaining. I was bored of watching Craighead, you knew he would make excuses and not fight. He had a reputation and could chat at the opposition but didnt want to do the dirty work. He came over when his big league days were over to see England and have a laugh. Prime example, Ewasko of Bstoke, He offered JC out and offered to square off and pop the lids but Craighead just said im not fighting a guy with a visor and did the visor gesture. His ego was bigger than his heart and I dont want guys like that on a team I pay to watch every week, no matter how talented he is. RS isnt moved from the goal mouth either. Mckenna was a complete joke. I liked the guy off the ice and was gobsmacked when we signed him but he was here to break world records for how much you can smile in a hockey game. I wanted an enforcer not a mascot. Nikes, I totally agree. Hes not around anymore though, this isnt the superleague.
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Post by rangers on May 21, 2008 11:19:06 GMT
Then there was the game at the NIC where Shmyr chased him down the ice and no choiced him. The cov game he went out and tried to get Timmons to go because Cov were down to 3 D men. Very smart, he either gets him to go and Cov are in a mess or he makes coventrys enforcer look a complete phoney. Smart enforcer. He kept a lid on his nasty side because of the fans. All the holier than thou "block 15" knitters who are appaled everytime somebody goes into a corner after a puck. I hope he leaves and proves a point because theres not much chance he would be nasty playing in Nottingham or playing for Corey so he might aswell leave. PS not a dig at the whole of block 15, just a complete generalisation to support my point I'm with you there Rich, I've heard since the PO's that Rob Wilson has been chasing him and a large part of me wants to see him go, come back here and smash the place apart. I hope you are wrong. There is no place in a Vipers team for anyone called Shmyr. I for one would not applaud him onto the ice, off the ice or in a fight. I'd barely cheer if he scored. After the dirty, cheating, moaning antics of his brother in Newcastle (I seem to remember seeing him get 2 game penalties for yapping in one match - not hard to see where ryan gets it from) no shmyr is welcome on tyneside. I dont like ryans attidude at all - all this waving arms about after every fight, constant yapping to the ref when anything goes against him. He thinks he is the business, when he is nothing like it. I also think Ryan is a poor import forward, especially with Andre in the team, and would not compliment any line - not good enough for a space on 1 or 2 (i hope - come on Rob, lets have some signings!), and the third is Payette and the kids - a third line with 2 enforcers is not needed. I doubt Rob would go for him in D, as we have had some of the best dmen in the league over the years - Jan, Jonny, Storey, Gouett, Henderson, and Ryan is not in that class - especially with young Jez being a better d-man already in the team, and presumably 4 other imports. Although I did see a rumor on neicehockey that vipers were signing someone who would be unpopular with the fans. A shmyr would fit that bill.
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Post by Rich on May 21, 2008 11:31:11 GMT
Oh dear...
By "the fans" Rangers are you seriously suggesting everyone in the north east shares your narrow minded views that because his brother upset you for a game or two, Ryan is an idiot?No Shmyr would be welcomed on tyneside? Do you read your posts to yourself before you post because that sounded so pathetic its untrue. So a Shmyr namesake coming to play for NUFC would not be welcome because youve got a bee in your bonnet?
He thinks hes the business? How well do you know the guy... enlighten me. All enforcers play with arrogance, theres no point them being there if they dont. Doesnt mean he thinks hes the business.
Jez Lundin a better player? Do me a favour! Iv seen him at elite level in 3 arenas and ENL and hes good for what he is but to claim that is crazy.
To say he would not compliment any line is again wide of the mark. Ask Clarkie and Petricko from the team that won us the playoffs how good he can do a job.
As iv said I dont think he will come back and I can see why but to have a major blast at the guy on a personal level having seen a handful of games with him in and never met him is ridiculous
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Post by rangers on May 21, 2008 11:47:02 GMT
Oh dear... By "the fans" Rangers are you seriously suggesting everyone in the north east shares your narrow minded views that because his brother upset you for a game or two, Ryan is an idiot?No Shmyr would be welcomed on tyneside? Do you read your posts to yourself before you post because that sounded so pathetic its untrue. So a Shmyr namesake coming to play for NUFC would not be welcome because youve got a bee in your bonnet? He thinks hes the business? How well do you know the guy... enlighten me. All enforcers play with arrogance, theres no point them being there if they dont. Doesnt mean he thinks hes the business. Jez Lundin a better player? Do me a favour! Iv seen him at elite level in 3 arenas and ENL and hes good for what he is but to claim that is crazy. To say he would not compliment any line is again wide of the mark. Ask Clarkie and Petricko from the team that won us the playoffs how good he can do a job. As iv said I dont think he will come back and I can see why but to have a major blast at the guy on a personal level having seen a handful of games with him in and never met him is ridiculous Could not care less who signs for NUFC - I'm a Forest fan! Jez is at least as good on D as Ryan - as proved in his spell as top 4 dman last year. There is a very good reason why he played himself into the GB squad last season - because he has the talent to make it. Given the choice of developing Jez's career onto the next level, where he could be a franchise player in a couple of years or going with another import, there is no question who I would go for - We (teh vipers and GB hockey) need the next Lobby, Weaver and Shuggy to come through, and they will not make it by sitting on the bench. Honestly, the Viper fans I have spoken to would not welcome Ryan to newcastle. There is no need for another enforcer. He is not a top line player - and i guess he would be the first to admit that. He would not work on the second line, which will include Lobby, as that would leave the line with no speed at all. The third line will be Andre and the kids. A line with 2 enforcers will not work. So where are you fitting him into the Viper team then? To say i have seen him in a handful of games is also a bit of a joke. I was living in nottingham in the first half of the first season he was here, and have seen him in at least 20 games - probably more. I dont rate him, I dont like his on ice attitide, and I know the Vipers can sign better. His brother was twice the player Ryan is. I never had a go at his off ice personality - I have never met him, and sure he is a nice guy, but on ice i dont like his atitude.
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Post by Mark Mac on May 21, 2008 12:03:15 GMT
Have you not seen how his fights pan out though? a) only fights goons; b) only by invitation - never instigation; c) rarely wins - ending a fight is not the same as winning it. Mix this up with his skills as a hockey player and you're looking at an 11th import. Thought I'd reply properly and debate your three coments. a) I personally don't see a problem with him only fighting other enforcers as thats what most tough guys do most of the time. Your comment is flawed by his fights against Campbell and Cloutier though. b) I think you will find this isn't something particular to Shmyr. Ever since the visor has been widely used in hockey more and more guys are talking, dropping the gloves, lids and squaring up rather than going in the heat of the moment. Again though your comment is flawed by his fight with Timmons where they went strait from the face off without dropping the lids or an invitation just the heat of the moment. c) I think rarely wins is very harsh and innacurate. Shmyr has got the better of Skiehar x2, Ndur, Cornish x2 (one tko), Campbell, Payette x2, Clouthier, Timmons and Cloutier Nick I quite agree. Shmyr is a great player. Last season Ellis' tactic of not letting him fight was a serious mistake. I want shmyr back this season, and i want Corey to let him fight. If he doesn't sign for us then I really dont want to see him at another team in the league.
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Post by Rich on May 21, 2008 12:17:27 GMT
I dont doubt Lundins potential, he needs to shadow Danny Meyers for the next couple of years and become the next Weaver for you guys. Hes showing real promise and can do a job on an elite league roster, but hes not got the size, strength and hockey brain of Ryan.
In terms of a break down, he could do a job on the first line (Look at Covs first line last season, if youve got guys like Calder and Carlson you put brits or enforcers with them, same re Tallari,Clouthier, Hand) but agree he wudnt fit with Longstaff. To be honest, I dont really care, he could do a job on the right line for anyone. Depends who else you sign
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Post by Heanor Lair on May 21, 2008 12:22:00 GMT
if Shymr come back I cant see him on anything but the 3rd line to be honest, and like it or not his role would be exactly the same as Cornishs was at Shuff last year.
Now whether or not Shymr wants to be stuck on the 3rd line who knows?
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Post by pantherdman on May 21, 2008 13:17:02 GMT
Rumour is the big man has signed in manchester. I hope it's not true!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on May 21, 2008 15:58:51 GMT
Would be one hell of a tough side if they kept Cloots aswell, would be brilliant for the Manc fans
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